Planetarion Forums - Arrogant, Short-Tempered People

Androme · 30 Dec 2004, 16:30

How can I win an argument (heated) where-by the person concerned has the 2 attributes in the thread title and results to swearing, repetition etc. ? These arugments happen on a daily basis so I would like to know - ta

Nusselt · 30 Dec 2004, 16:32

hit them?

MrL_JaKiri · 30 Dec 2004, 16:57

Ad hominem, strawman, take your pick!

Vaio · 30 Dec 2004, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Androme2

How can I win an argument (heated) where-by the person concerned has the 2 attributes in the thread title and results to swearing, repetition etc. ? These arugments happen on a daily basis so I would like to know - ta

Divorce the bitch, it worked for me

~Vaio~

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 17:24

Take your pick!

Also, using about four or five of the fallacious arguments together works pretty well.

queball · 30 Dec 2004, 17:47

Maybe you're wrong so his confidence and short temper are justified.

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 17:50

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Originally Posted by queball

Maybe you're wrong so his confidence and short temper are justified.

Arguments are never about who's right and who's wrong queball. They're about how often you can repeat the same meaningless banalities in the space of five minutes.

queball · 30 Dec 2004, 17:53

I know that you moron. Banality is truth.

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 17:55

Life comes in black and white. And a strange shade of pink I like to call sasclosian.

Snurx · 30 Dec 2004, 18:35

Why bother arguing? Beat the guy up or leave it.

Androme · 30 Dec 2004, 18:38

Isn't Conversational Chaff just trolling?

Ta for linkage though

I've decided all I need is a spoon and a twitch in my eye

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 18:43

Pretty much. The idea is to annoy the other person until they figure out how to take part in a rational argument.

Androme · 30 Dec 2004, 18:48

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Pretty much. The idea is to annoy the other person until they figure out how to take part in a rational argument.

With my newly founded knowledge, "Who asked you?"

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 18:50

You did. Implicitly. In the first post in this thread.

Androme · 30 Dec 2004, 18:59

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

You did. Implicitly. In the first post in this thread.

How do you know it wasn't rhetorical?

Kurashima · 30 Dec 2004, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Androme2

How can I win an argument (heated) where-by the person concerned has the 2 attributes in the thread title and results to swearing, repetition etc. ? These arugments happen on a daily basis so I would like to know - ta

You learn that we are the mods and our say is final, so you shouldnt be arguing.

JonnyBGood · 30 Dec 2004, 19:02

I'm the guy who inserted the "mind-reading chip" up your ass on saturday night.

Kurashima · 30 Dec 2004, 19:04

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I'm the guy who inserted the "mind-reading chip" up your ass on saturday night.

Most people use some kind of ass spelunking device for that Jonny. You didnt have to do it manually.

MrL_JaKiri · 30 Dec 2004, 19:12

I initially read this thread title as 'Arrogant, Short, Tempered People', and I was wondering why you were having a problem discussing things with midgets.

Sunday8pm · 30 Dec 2004, 19:22

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Arguments are never about who's right and who's wrong queball. They're about how often you can repeat the same meaningless banalities in the space of five minutes.

Which makes me the king of the universe right?

Sunday8pm · 30 Dec 2004, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Androme2

How can I win an argument (heated) where-by the person concerned has the 2 attributes in the thread title and results to swearing, repetition etc. ? These arugments happen on a daily basis so I would like to know - ta

Usually by breaking their face.

Or by making their mother take your viewpoint and then watch them argue it with the same zest.

Stew · 30 Dec 2004, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Sunday8pm

Which makes me the king of the universe right?

Made me chuckle

JetLinus · 30 Dec 2004, 21:25

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Take your pick!

Also, using about four or five of the fallacious arguments together works pretty well.

Hey, someone found sunday's handbooks :eek:

Gayle29uk · 30 Dec 2004, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Androme2

How do you know it wasn't rhetorical?

Because your last sentence made it plain that it wasn't a rhetorical question.

Androme · 30 Dec 2004, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Gayle29uk

Because your last sentence made it plain that it wasn't a rhetorical question.

I wasn't asking you.

Boogster · 31 Dec 2004, 02:47

"I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?"

Dante Hicks · 31 Dec 2004, 07:10

What do you mean by 'win' the argument? What do you want to do? Impress the other people listening to it? Make them see the error of their ways and admit they were wrong? The latter is rare and having the last word usually just means no-one can be bothered to reply (it certainly does on this forum).

Either way I would suggest being totally reasonable and dispassionate. If someone is shouting, etc then let them continue until they get tired of it (this may take a while). When they have stopped, confirm they have finished (this will make them continue). When this is done, advise them their concerns about X or Y is warranted and you share them, to an extent. It's pretty hard to be angry at someone who is disagreeing with you.

Once you've done this you can try various things, but one thing worth doing is a sales technique. It basically relies on establishing a key bone of contention and confirming this with the person. So, as a random example (from a sales point-of-view) :
"I see why you'd have concerns about the price Mr Smith, and of course it's warranted. But if I'm understanding you correctly you would buy the product today if only the delivery didn't cost so much. Is that right?"
"Yes."
"Ok, well what about this : We'll get you delivery absolutley free."

After this you feel a bit stupid saying no, so you're kind of forced into accepting their argument/sale.

If you're arguing to a crowd then it's different and you might want to use all the stupid tricks mentioned above. I wouldn't though, I personally find reasonableness always wins. In the long run.

Androme · 31 Dec 2004, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

What do you mean by 'win' the argument? What do you want to do? Impress the other people listening to it? Make them see the error of their ways and admit they were wrong? The latter is rare and having the last word usually just means no-one can be bothered to reply (it certainly does on this forum).

Either way I would suggest being totally reasonable and dispassionate. If someone is shouting, etc then let them continue until they get tired of it (this may take a while). When they have stopped, confirm they have finished (this will make them continue). When this is done, advise them their concerns about X or Y is warranted and you share them, to an extent. It's pretty hard to be angry at someone who is disagreeing with you.

Once you've done this you can try various things, but one thing worth doing is a sales technique. It basically relies on establishing a key bone of contention and confirming this with the person. So, as a random example (from a sales point-of-view) :
"I see why you'd have concerns about the price Mr Smith, and of course it's warranted. But if I'm understanding you correctly you would buy the product today if only the delivery didn't cost so much. Is that right?"
"Yes."
"Ok, well what about this : We'll get you delivery absolutley free."

After this you feel a bit stupid saying no, so you're kind of forced into accepting their argument/sale.

If you're arguing to a crowd then it's different and you might want to use all the stupid tricks mentioned above. I wouldn't though, I personally find reasonableness always wins. In the long run.

I take it this is a tactic commonly enrolled with politicial debates?