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13 Feb 2004, 20:50
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Re: Dante
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No. It's like being on a Computer Science course and everyone else there is disinterested in computing and only doing the course because they want to make big bucks as a sys admin or something.
It's enough to make you appreciate Mac Geeks or Windows zealots or whatever.
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Sorry, I still don't get this. The comp-sci's I've met aren't interested in computing, and none of the maths students are interested in maths beyond getting a degree to make money - but that's much preferable to a situation where people go on about how great Macs are, or how many digits of pi they can memorise.
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13 Feb 2004, 20:57
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Re: Dante
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Sorry, I still don't get this. The comp-sci's I've met aren't interested in computing, and none of the maths students are interested in maths beyond getting a degree to make money
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Horses for courses I guess, but I'd absolutley hate to do a degree for those reasons (it's bad enough on my current degree but at least I actually care about the subject matter).
Maybe I just value geekiness too much, but when I used to do maths (over an age ago admittedly) I used to have great fun solving problems, etc. Since you seem to post in the problem solving threads I presume you feel the same way.
Some of the people I know did degree's for stupid reasons, but in my household me and T&F are politics geeks, SbOlly is a computer geek (and would code in his spare-time even if it wasn't his job) and the other guy did a graphics degree for similar geeky reasons.
The Tory girl on my degree may have been utterly wrong on everything, but at least you could have an argument with her. Everyone else, except on the most basic moral premises had no opinions whatsoever (or at least, not one they were willing to defend or discuss).
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13 Feb 2004, 21:29
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Re: Dante
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Attractive Marxist? Stop making shit up dude.
Actually that reminds me of a while ago when I was sitting on the bus with a friend of mine and we saw she was reading the new marxist monthly or something and we then spent the entire remainder of the bus journey either laughing or making stupid comments about communism. Frankly it was far more interesting than engaging in practical debate!
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Well this is REALLY mature. Congrats!
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13 Feb 2004, 21:38
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Re: Dante
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Well this is REALLY mature. Congrats!
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It's like culture jamming. Sometimes the best way to fight absurdity is with absurdity.
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13 Feb 2004, 22:17
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Re: Dante
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Originally Posted by queball
Sorry, I still don't get this. The comp-sci's I've met aren't interested in computing, and none of the maths students are interested in maths beyond getting a degree to make money - but that's much preferable to a situation where people go on about how great Macs are, or how many digits of pi they can memorise.
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I like maths, and want to do it past the degree.
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13 Feb 2004, 22:27
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Re: Dante
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Sorry, I still don't get this. The comp-sci's I've met aren't interested in computing
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Same here, noone at my uni seems to give a fk, and the lecturers don't seem much better.
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13 Feb 2004, 22:31
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Re: Dante
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Same here, noone at my uni seems to give a fk, and the lecturers don't seem much better.
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But is this a good thing though?
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13 Feb 2004, 22:37
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Re: Dante
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It's like culture jamming. Sometimes the best way to fight absurdity is with absurdity.
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That's absurd.
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13 Feb 2004, 22:39
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Re: Dante
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That's absurd.
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Hold on, that's surrealism.
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13 Feb 2004, 22:40
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Re: Dante
I'm fully with you on this, but I bet most of this forum are - for we are passionate about many things, and hence can have healthy discussions about an array of topics
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13 Feb 2004, 23:19
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Re: Dante
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But is this a good thing though?
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Well, the students, I dont know and dont care. Its up to them if they want to be interested or not but it seems a bit pointless to come to uni when you dont care about the subject, only the money.
If the lecturers aren't particularly enthused about something they get sloppy, dont explain things very well and that generally doesnt help me learn, so that's a bad thing.
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14 Feb 2004, 00:21
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Re: Dante
Dante - if you are still up, come downstairs and lend me a fiver.
I don't know if you are asleep, but either way I know you will wake up every 11 minutes to check a thread named in your honour.
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14 Feb 2004, 00:45
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Re: Dante
I don't have a fiver.
edit : in a few days the cheque I put in today should clear. But I don't have a bank card either at the mo.
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14 Feb 2004, 00:55
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Re: Dante
OMG u need a new job - preferably one that pays!
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14 Feb 2004, 00:58
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Re: Dante
I earn an OK amount. SbOlly earns about £8k more tho.
Only 2 weeks 'till payday. \o/
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14 Feb 2004, 01:00
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Re: Dante
So why u never got any cash?
Also - since this is thread about u, how come ur married but live with SbOlly? Oooh...!? Hang on...
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14 Feb 2004, 01:02
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Re: Dante
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So why u never got any cash?
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Because I'm an idiot. And things keep coming up to stop my finances all falling into place.
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Also - since this is thread about u, how come ur married but live with SbOlly? Oooh...!? Hang on...
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Because myself and my wife couldn't really afford London rents at the moment. (we tried for six months, it was hilariously bad)
I share with three friends who I've known for 10+ years.
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14 Feb 2004, 01:29
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Oh I always thought your living arrangement was a conscious rejection of cohabitation and pair-living :(
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14 Feb 2004, 01:37
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Partially. I like communal living. It's vastly superior to just pair-living.
But the main decision was because of finances at the time. I wouldn't go back though. Of course, T&F is now being gay and insisting he's moving in with his bird in August.
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Re: Dante
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i stopped going to my seminars once no-one argued with me.
i did have one good argument once, but that guy had to change sets for timetabling reasons.
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No one even talks in mine, everyone just sits there copying down whatever the lecturer says and then trying to think something up the odd occasion they get asked the answers.
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mine does
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I wish mine did :/ I can't get bothered doing anything with such a low pass mark knowing that nothing at all carries forward, I just feel what is the point in putting in effort and getting top marks when someone who gets 40% is in just the same position.
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Well, the students, I dont know and dont care. Its up to them if they want to be interested or not but it seems a bit pointless to come to uni when you dont care about the subject, only the money.
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I couldn't put up with three years of something I found boring on top of then working in that job for years just for money, I would find a way to make money in the field I enjoyed. I would bet those who hate the subject are likely to not be as good at it as well due to the extra difficulty in getting motivated to learn the info.
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Re: Dante
I think the whole splitting off into male/female pairs for living is a horrible horrible idea, and that communal living of some sort is definitely the way forwards
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14 Feb 2004, 01:58
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Re: Dante
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I couldn't put up with three years of something I found boring on top of then working in that job for years just for money, I would find a way to make money in the field I enjoyed.
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What if you didn't enjoy any field? (just a random question, not related to anything else)
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I would bet those who hate the subject are likely to not be as good at it as well due to the extra difficulty in getting motivated to learn the info.
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Bleh. Having a passion, and being willing to do your course, are different. Some people seem to be able to face their work simply out of a Protestant work ethic. Dante talks of people with no "ideology or passion"; I'm sure you can study politics without being a Conservative or whatever; so your point, while correct, is not pertinent.
From this thread, it seems those with a Marxist fervour are more likely to get disheartened at the lack of passion they see in their fellow students. What does GD-level debate have to do with politics? Or the digits of pi with mathematics? The activities are only related to the subjects by the kind of people they attract. From an outside perspective it seems like geeks and ideologues seeking out other geeks and ideologues.
Obviously you need to be able to enjoy the activity of learning the subject, purely by pragmatic necessity.
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14 Feb 2004, 02:04
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Re: Dante
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What does GD-level debate have to do with politics?
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Well, the study of politics in most universities (that I've experienced/noticed) is not that different from the types of discussions we have here.
The only real difference is that on a University course you are supposed to reference primary/secondary sources a lot more than we would do here.
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14 Feb 2004, 02:13
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Re: Dante
Did you ever write an essay without referencing Kapital?
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14 Feb 2004, 02:17
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Re: Dante
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What if you didn't enjoy any field? (just a random question, not related to anything else)
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Hmm, well as I haven't been in that situation my guess would be I would either do the thing I found most bearable, something which I felt I could make a lot of money out of or try something new. More than likely opt for the money though but I find it hard to believe there is nothing at all that people think they may enjoy doing.
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Re: Dante
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Well this is REALLY mature. Congrats!
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Live hard man.
PS The study of politics in university has more fags who drift and less right-wing/libertarian types. GD is actually close to one of the most balanced political spectrums I've seen (and would be the most if we had less libertarian types).
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Re: Dante
Hold on is Dante the Hicks of fa.cs fame?
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14 Feb 2004, 06:27
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Re: Dante
Given that he still lists Mercury&Solace I'm guessing his profile is severely out of date and posted probably before the time of fa.cs so instead of no.
I don't Know would be applicable.
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14 Feb 2004, 06:36
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Re: Dante
The profile isn't important, the fact that another user called "Hicks" exists is, and he still posts, and other reasons.
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14 Feb 2004, 10:52
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Re: Dante
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Given that he still lists Mercury&Solace I'm guessing his profile is severely out of date and posted probably before the time of fa.cs so instead of no.
I don't Know would be applicable.
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He posted yesterday.
And no, Dante isn't Hicks.
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14 Feb 2004, 10:53
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Re: Dante
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The profile isn't important, the fact that another user called "Hicks" exists is, and he still posts, and other reasons.
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meh. I didn't mean to field that query to everyone though.
Preferrably Dante himself or someone who was v involved in his regular lifestyle.
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Re: Dante
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Did you ever write an essay without referencing Kapital?
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I don't think I've ever directly referenced Kapital in an essay.
edit : And no, I'm not that other guy. Hicks was actually outraged when I signed up Dante Hicks as a forum nick. I just wanted Dante, as I've explained before.
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14 Feb 2004, 11:09
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Re: Dante
Dante, Sir. He's Hicks.
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14 Feb 2004, 17:52
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Re: Dante
personally, when i went to uni, it was to do something i liked and enjoyed, i couldnt imagine spending 3 years of my life doing something i hated, but, there again, this means that i will probably never really get into the big money, but if i can get up into middle management in my current job, i honestly dont think i will care.
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Re: Dante
thing is, it DOES become more difficult to study something when theres no decent "competition" as it were. Im well aware that i could have actually worked for my A levels and gone to Uni of Manchester instead of Manc Met, but as i know myself, and i know how damn lazy i can be, im not even sure i would have enjoyed it more if people argued with me more there (i am making an assumption about the different types of students in both unis there, but i feel its a fair one.)
in my A level politics class though, there were about 15 of us (it was in a pretty decent london grammar school, been in the top 10 for god knows how many years in A level results), all from completely different ideologies, a marxist, a libertarian, a zionist, someone who completely supported arab terrorism, plenty of people in between (including me, who is fairly right wing economically but VERY left wing socially, if you know what i mean).
Anyway, that class was pretty much perfect for the debates we had, our lesson on sept 12th 2001 was probably the best ive ever had enjoyment wise. Don't get anything like that here really, its happened a couple of times, but even those who are passionate don't seem to be particularly articulate, which is always annoying.
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Re: Dante
Don't ask for much, do you?
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14 Feb 2004, 21:01
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Re: Dante
i didnt ask... i just said i didnt have it and i wanted it.
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Re: Dante
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He can't be a russian spy, he didn't go to cambridge.
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at 0731 in the morning, after not getting to sleep, that made me laugh.
Thanks
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Re: Dante
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thing is, it DOES become more difficult to study something when theres no decent "competition" as it were.
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It goes deeper than that though. Classes in politics and other humanities are structured around class participation.
It might not matter if in a computing course no-one interacts (although I doubt it's a good/indifferent thing) but if no-one cares in a politics class then the quality of the education suffers terribly. I've had classes finish forty five minutes early because no-one else had anything to say in a class (although it was about Herbert Marcuse, so who can blame them).
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Re: Dante
Good old Herbert eh
Some computing modules here encourage you to work in small groups, presumably to get you used to the idea of discussing ideas and making decision with other people, computing people (programmers in particular) generally don't like doing things someone else's way.
I find I work better on my own though, maybe that's the kind of person that is drawn to computing.
Mainly just bumping this thread because the rest are shite.
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Re: Dante
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I find I work better on my own though, maybe that's the kind of person that is drawn to computing.
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I hate working in a group, although this is not due to wanting my own way (I'm pretty easy going) but because I'm aware of how useless and unreliable I am.
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Re: Dante
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It goes deeper than that though. Classes in politics and other humanities are structured around class participation.
It might not matter if in a computing course no-one interacts (although I doubt it's a good/indifferent thing) but if no-one cares in a politics class then the quality of the education suffers terribly. I've had classes finish forty five minutes early because no-one else had anything to say in a class (although it was about Herbert Marcuse, so who can blame them).
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exactly the same thing happened to me, but it was on a vaguely interesting subject iirc. I think we had just had a lecture on sociobiology (which is rubbish btw) and all we had to do was say why it was rubbish, which was fairly easy, and quite interesting.
after that seminar finished about 40 minutes early, i never went to another one again. Though i want to go back, but they changed rooms! mostly i just want to get back so i can get my essay back though.
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I hate working in a group, although this is not due to wanting my own way (I'm pretty easy going) but because I'm aware of how useless and unreliable I am.
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I like having someone to cover for me if my part goes down the pan. Assuming they aren't a bunch of ****wits like my last group, who decided they were going to have meetings without telling me and then comment on how poor my attendence was in the report.
You're going to have to work with people at some point, so you might as well practice being unreliable and getting away with it.
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Don't you like manage half your office?
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Not anymore, when I was a trainer I did ocassionally. But then it was even better, since I was simply there as I knew stuff, not because I ever did any work.
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Re: Dante
lucky they dont read these boards then
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lucky they dont read these boards then
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The beauty of being that kind of manager was that I wasn't even supposed to be doing anything, merely supporting "the team" as and when they needed it.
Plus, the answers I've gotten from the P&D forum here enabled me to do stuff for my work which I'm not even paid for (e.g. improving their intranet & external web-site, etc). So it's swings and round-abouts.
On socio-biology, didn't they call it evolutionary pscyhology in your lecturers? That's what all the cool kids are doing these days. You should make a thread calling it rubbish, then Muslim can post his diatribes and they'll actually be on-topic.
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hmm... nope, pretty sure they called it sociobiology. I just looked at my notes and the only page i have left from that lecture is a critique on neo-sociobiology. Seems to be pretty damning though.
and making a thread about stupid theories just so muslim can post on topic is tantamount to accepting he can make a worthwhile contribution.
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