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Unread 20 May 2004, 14:23   #1
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Unread 20 May 2004, 14:30   #2
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Unread 20 May 2004, 16:10   #3
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Unread 20 May 2004, 16:14   #4
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Unread 20 May 2004, 19:45   #5
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its great how everyone "back home" still keeps saying what a nice girl she is.
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Unread 20 May 2004, 19:57   #6
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Re: So these new Abuse photos...
I think the bigger issue here is who's stupid enough to think that this is a) the first time this has happened and b) not official policy.
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:09   #7
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Re: So these new Abuse photos...
Would these people be tried at the ICC if the US had signed up?
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:11   #8
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Re: So these new Abuse photos...
it happens all the time in all wars (or not even wars, wherever soldiers are based) i know someone who told me about british paras doing shit like this in the falklands, that never made it into the papers tho (afaik)
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:12   #9
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Re: So these new Abuse photos...
Why are they smiling so much?

Also, do these pictures actually show abuse? Or am I missing something?
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:13   #10
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Why are they smiling so much?
Because they're posing with a dead iraqi. Kind of like posing with a fish.

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Also, do these pictures actually show abuse? Or am I missing something?
You're missing that they (the beeb) cut off the dead iraqi.
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:15   #11
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Re: So these new Abuse photos...
I know that bit, but you can't abuse a corpse. Just because someone died in prison (or they have a dead body in the picture) is no real evidence of abuse.
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:19   #12
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I know that bit, but you can't abuse a corpse. Just because someone died in prison (or they have a dead body in the picture) is no real evidence of abuse.
Well, to be fair the link doesn't claim it's abuse.
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Unread 20 May 2004, 20:46   #13
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Would these people be tried at the ICC if the US had signed up?
In theory, no. The ICC was supposed to be a sort of court of last resort, to try those who for some reason weren't covered by a system of justice or where a country's military and/or civilian justice system had broken down (e.g., Bosnia).

However, the fact that the ICC couldn't/wouldn't guarantee that was precisely the sticking point.
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In theory, no. The ICC was supposed to be a sort of court of last resort, to try those who for some reason weren't covered by a system of justice or where a country's military and/or civilian justice system had broken down (e.g., Bosnia).
Well, it is reliant on being able to actually detain individuals, and is only applicable upon the states who participate in it. So it's substantially limited in what it can do to prosecute a case where a state does not wish it to do so.

AFAIK, it was mainly envisaged to give the benefit of a permanent international tribunal for trying individuals involved in things like Yugoslavia.

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However, the fact that the ICC couldn't/wouldn't guarantee that was precisely the sticking point.
Guarantee what?
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Unread 20 May 2004, 22:29   #15
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Guarantee what?
Guarantee that the ICC would not have jurisdiction over US soldiers (at least when on UN peacekeeping missions).
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Guarantee that the ICC would not have jurisdiction over US soldiers (at least when on UN peacekeeping missions).
That would effectively render the whole thing pointless, and was never going to be agreed to.
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