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R60, worst stats ever?

I know there is a lot of diffrent opionions what makes good and bad stats.
Offensive or defensive, its always a matter of taste.
But looking at the race spread in top100, does that tell you a little about how good or bad the stats was?
This round ETD have so far 41% of top100, and XAN got 31% of the top100. Seeing they share a roiding class, it makes it even worse.
Was there any other round were stats were so "unbalanced" in terms of race spread/roiding class in top100?
Choosing stats for the future, i think its important avoiding "one sided" stats, what makes attacking interesting is that there is decent split in races and their average score/roids, so certainly picking stats like this from my opinion must never happend again.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

In this thread: Butcher is upset his stats didn't get chosen.

To answer the question: no. Not the worst stats ever.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

BButcher as you are so fond of pointing out the final ranks in the T100 have a lot to do with alliance strategies; Ult and BF are winning and they went Fr with lots of etd and xan. In this stats set there are other viable races but alliances did not go for them. Co in particularly looks to have been more viable than many expected and cr/bs would become more viable if fewer alliances went for fr.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

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In this thread: Butcher is upset his stats didn't get chosen.

To answer the question: no. Not the worst stats ever.
No obviously not upset, more shocked that these ones got chosen.
Im more for rerunning old stats
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BButcher as you are so fond of pointing out the final ranks in the T100 have a lot to do with alliance strategies; Ult and BF are winning and they went Fr with lots of etd and xan. In this stats set there are other viable races but alliances did not go for them. Co in particularly looks to have been more viable than many expected and cr/bs would become more viable if fewer alliances went for fr.
If p3ng had gone for xan/etd too, surely the race spread wouldve been far worse?
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

that would seem to be stating the obvious, but if all alliances went the same strategy in a round then the stats set would seem unbalanced no matter how good it really were.
The real flaw here seems to be that fr is the obvious alliance strategy so lots of alliances picked it while no one (except p3n and to some extent ND) picked anything else. Etd fr in particular is probably slightly overpowered but I dont think by anything like enough to justify calling it the worst set ever.
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No obviously not upset, more shocked that these ones got chosen.
Im more for rerunning old stats
these practically are old stats, this is the 4th time this set has been modified and used.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

Wasn't the aim of these stats to nerf cath? Mission accomplished.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

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Wasn't the aim of these stats to nerf cath? Mission accomplished.
I think the mission was to make FR better.
R56 Spore had a big amount of caths due to the scarab actualy being usefull.
Im interested seeing some statistic about other disaterous stats in terms of race spread in top100
I had hoped mz would come with this
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Better than any St set
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

r60 stat set had so many different options, it was again the community that made it FR round. CO and FI could had worked as we are seeing atm in havoc, CR wasn't bad at all, though it did suffer from FR filled uni.
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r60 stat set had so many different options, it was again the community that made it FR round. CO and FI could had worked as we are seeing atm in havoc, CR wasn't bad at all, though it did suffer from FR filled uni.
I totally agree with this.
I don't have much recent experience but I wonder if the emergence of alliance ship strategies as a dominant factor in the game means that because large blocks of players are going one way then stats will automatically become unbalanced regardless of how balanced they may be on paper.
I mean for the current stats on the beta server there are loads of good looking options when thinking individually. However, because there are 3 fi/co races (plus cat if they can cov op pods) and fi/co is popular anyway for fast eta its easy to see a lot of allies heading in this direction. This means I wonder if any allies could afford to go for a strat that isn't fi/co simply because the other strategies will end up struggling to cover CO incs.
Thus stats that might appear to offer several strategies end up offering one really obvious one. FR was the obvious one this round. Even the allies which didn't go that way were conscious of this. P3n chose CR/BS in part because it didnt want to go with the flow.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

Fixing alliance strategies is a hard problem. We can solve part of that problem a little easier: at the moment, Fi/Co has all the benefits, and none of the drawbacks. Lower ETA. Less research. Less defense. No wonder alliances tend towards going Fi/CO.

Swapping the order in which hulls are researched levels the playing field somewhat, with no serious side-effects that I can see. Perhaps that will revitalize Cr/Bs alliance strategies.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

Well the side effect is that you only have the slowest ships at the time when you have the least travel time tech leading to laughably long etas.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

Well, no, that's the current situation: if you rush Cr/Bs you have no time for TT.

With my proposal, you'd have Cr/Bs plus some ETA research, or you could rush Fi/Co without any ETA research.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

I really only meant for the very beginning.
Everyone's initial attacks would be eta 13 or 14 as opposed to an eta 12 with Fi/Co. Since they get back within a day Fi/Co as a first attack fleet is much more usable than Cr/Bs.

As you say in some ways it actually balances out the current travel times in the medium term.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

Ah, I see. Fair enough.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

You CAN make stats that have various diffrent option that suits diffrent type of alliances.
R60 stats how ever had very few options that made sense, even though FI/CR/BS was doable they were inferior to FR in every way.
Its by far the stupidest stats ive ever seen.
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You CAN make stats that have various diffrent option that suits diffrent type of alliances.
R60 stats how ever had very few options that made sense, even though FI/CR/BS was doable they were inferior to FR in every way.
Its by far the stupidest stats ive ever seen.
This is by far one of the most stupid comments i've seen in awhile. (You have lots of other posts, I just can't wrap my head around. Probably your inferior logic)
This doesn't come close to fitting last rounds stats.
Fr was strong, but not inferior in every way as you so nicely put it.
BS had the edge over FR and not visa versa. Same applies for Cr to some extent. (Roach with 150%~ eff against most FR ships)

Even FI had edge on FR, as you only had to outflak Rangers before getting init advantage.

So my question is, where is your point?
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This is by far one of the most stupid comments i've seen in awhile. (You have lots of other posts, I just can't wrap my head around. Probably your inferior logic)
This doesn't come close to fitting last rounds stats.
Fr was strong, but not inferior in every way as you so nicely put it.
BS had the edge over FR and not visa versa. Same applies for Cr to some extent. (Roach with 150%~ eff against most FR ships)

Even FI had edge on FR, as you only had to outflak Rangers before getting init advantage.

So my question is, where is your point?
If CR/BS had a edge over FR, why was 3/4 of the top100 either xan or etd?
It can look like what you claim to be best on paper dosnt realy fit the reality of the result of the round.
That so many allies went for a race combo wich did not have a edge over any of the other options seems wierd
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If CR/BS had a edge over FR, why was 3/4 of the top100 either xan or etd?
It can look like what you claim to be best on paper dosnt realy fit the reality of the result of the round.
That so many allies went for a race combo wich did not have a edge over any of the other options seems wierd
What outcome of round is, has several other factors. Which are way more important. Like how much incs they have had. How well defended they were etc...

Do some calcs if you are still dead set in your messed up mind.
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What outcome of round is, has several other factors. Which are way more important. Like how much incs they have had. How well defended they were etc...

Do some calcs if you are still dead set in your messed up mind.
Don't forget the most important one: what alliances opt for.
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What outcome of round is, has several other factors. Which are way more important. Like how much incs they have had. How well defended they were etc...

Do some calcs if you are still dead set in your messed up mind.
Lets run these stats for a few more rounds then and lets see how long it takes for a alliance without fr to win.
R56 a FR allie won, R60 FR was strengthned further, and a FR allie won again
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Lets run these stats for a few more rounds then and lets see how long it takes for a alliance without fr to win.
R56 a FR allie won, R60 FR was strengthned further, and a FR allie won again
Still totally unrelevant on the subject, it does not matter how many times you run this set. The outcome is based on completly different factors.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

How is it unrelevant? Why did 4 out of the 5 top alliances go for FR?
Am i missing something?
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

there is a difference between something being "slightly better" vs what you say "inferior in every way", and I think most people can agree on the fact that you're missing something, what it is you're missing will however be a unsolved mystery
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there is a difference between something being "slightly better" vs what you say "inferior in every way", and I think most people can agree on the fact that you're missing something, what it is you're missing will however be a unsolved mystery
I dont see how BS or CR is better than FR.
Their ETA is worse.
They only have EMP based on anti FR.
BS cant FC FR alliance, and FR alliance can easily FC BS alliances.
FR alliances have the only none-loss anti FR.
In r56 stats you could atleast say that CR/BS alliances was far better vs CO alliances
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

This is getting tiresome. There seems to be a consensus (minus butcher) that it may not have been a very good set but it was definitely not the worst ever.

It is however now in the past. Time to talk about next round's set?
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This is getting tiresome. There seems to be a consensus (minus butcher) that it may not have been a very good set but it was definitely not the worst ever.

It is however now in the past. Time to talk about next round's set?
This is not a thread to flame the statsmaker, or anyone.
The whole point is that flawed, one sided stats, needs to be spotted and avoided being run.
Obviously a lot of the people contributing to the stats discussion preround dont have the ability to even spot out flawed stats, and even mid round/post round, they keep insisting that the truth of how the races are balanced, and what fleets are being used is something diffrent from what is actualy the reality.
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Re: R60, worst stats ever?

BButcher p3nguins ended up with 10 people in the top 100. For almost the entire round p3n had between 20 and 25 people in the T100. Was that drop at the end because p3n failed at playing cr/bs or because p3n lost a war and got roided to bits?

The answer is the latter. Did we lose because we went cr/bs? Well it was possibly one contributing factor, but one among multiple; low morale, prelaunched defence as a result of spying, being outnumbered (and not creating a decent block), and excellent use of rogues.

Looking at the T100 at the end of the round does not tell you if one shipstrat was better. It tells you that the team that won the war used that strategy but it tells you almost nothing about how they won.
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