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Unread 22 Feb 2006, 10:44   #1
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Multiple Accounts

Yes this is a suggestion, however the suggestion itself wont be discussed to the extent that I am looking for.

Now what I would like the PA crew to consider is multiple accounts.

I would like to first of all set out the interaction of multiple accounts.

-Multiple accounts can only be upgraded accounts
-No interaction of either account is allowed (defence/attack/galaxy/alliance not allowed)
-Each multiple account owner has to submit a page stating there irc nick, email and what use they look for the accounts.
-Admins should do a weekly review of the multiple accounts.
-If Admins find that multiple accounts are being used to scan, farm, defend, escort then the multiple and real account will be closed.

Now picture for a second. You have one account which is your main account. You are in alliance with it and you are playing hardcore with it. You then have your second account, its there to mess around with, 3 fleet with and maybe xp whore.

Id love it to be in a situation whereby I can play hardcore with my one account and attack random people and xp whore with my second account.

Now upon reading this im sure many of you will go

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Think about it, if the admins truly make a system where there are checks and balances in place for a consistent review of multiple accounts, I cant see there being a major problem. Yes it will mean more work for the admins but cest la vie.

Not only this but think if we each had a multiple account, the player base would rise from 2k to 4k overnight. This is certainly a more attractive prospect in my mind.

Anyway take apart the argument, what do you see wrong with it, good about it and do you agree/disagree. Most importantly dont flame and lets have some intelligent discussion on pa.
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Re: Multiple Accounts

the number of accounts in the game may rise but the player base will -not-
all you would have done is massaged the figures so its next to impossible to determine how many actual players there are - instead of accounts.

Personally, im against any proposal which would encourage people to play unfairly with upgraded accounts, a situation where whoever has the biggest bank balance - wins.

saying there should be checks and balances is all well and good, but do you honestly think that will stop people?
can you imagine the temptation to use your multi accounts to defend you, retal your attackers, their galaxy, their alliance, etc?
a heck of a lot of people would abuse them regardless of the checks and balances

It also just adds to the MH work so others who are cheating a lot may slip through the cracks due to the lack of time they have to investigate all the accounts.

Better to leave it as it is, imo where one account = one player and the MH dont have to investigate everyone in the universe on a weekly basis to make sure they arent abusing additional accounts
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Unread 22 Feb 2006, 11:05   #3
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Re: Multiple Accounts

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the number of accounts in the game may rise but the player base will -not-
all you would have done is massaged the figures so its next to impossible to determine how many actual players there are - instead of accounts.
My argument here would of course be that people would be attracted back to the game if the game is growing, if there are more accounts people will look at the numbers of accounts, rather than players. Of course we can hypothesise all day, but unless it was ever done we wouldnt know.

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Personally, im against any proposal which would encourage people to play unfairly with upgraded accounts, a situation where whoever has the biggest bank balance - wins.
This would have to be looked at, as I said the second account is just that, a mere mess around. Have a laugh with some people who never login and attack randomly etc. It would take a conscious effort from the community and admins to police it though ;/

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saying there should be checks and balances is all well and good, but do you honestly think that will stop people?
can you imagine the temptation to use your multi accounts to defend you, retal your attackers, their galaxy, their alliance, etc?
a heck of a lot of people would abuse them regardless of the checks and balances
I agree, thats why some sort of interaction system which forbids the interaction of multiple accounts and other admin tools would of course need to be looked at.

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It also just adds to the MH work so others who are cheating a lot may slip through the cracks due to the lack of time they have to investigate all the accounts.
Simply recruit more MHs, there are plenty of part time, old school players who are capable of hunting in pa.

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Better to leave it as it is, imo where one account = one player and the MH dont have to investigate everyone in the universe on a weekly basis to make sure they arent abusing additional accounts
True, although id still love a second account to mess around with.
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Re: Multiple Accounts

I think I would rather have bot planets and maybe even bot alliances.
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Unread 22 Feb 2006, 11:17   #5
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Re: Multiple Accounts

The problem with interaction and multi accounts is that you can only really check interaction between accounts, galaxies or their alliances ( ie defence missions where theres a direct link usually between them ) . You cant, without difficulty prove that the alliance of planet x's attacker wasnt attacked by planet y as a retal/counter.
it could be, for all they say, a random attack which -just so happened- to be against that particular alliance.

Recruiting MH is simple in theory but hard in practise. For a start they have to be trusted by pateam to handle the responsibility they get. Being able to view any planets details at will is not something to be taken lightly.
I know i wouldnt be happy if a less-then-honest MH suddenly got all my login details, email, phone num, etc etc and then abused them on other things.
Plus they have to sign the NDA which is a bit like giving away your first born , Given the complaints i heard from people who were signing up to do the beta testing/development on pa-n and the watered down nda they had to sign to do it - i cant see many people being happy to do this.
Then theres the issue of recruiting less then competant people. Not everyone is good at investigating things. some are more skilled then others when it comes to technical matters. Sure you can be trained in the basics but it takes more then that to be an efficient multihunter.

As for the people being attracted back argument. Its possible but imo unlikely.
If people know that you can have more then one account then they arent for a second going to believe that everyone only has the one account, and that the number of accounts is the number of players.
More likely they will see through what it is - a thinly veiled attempt at pretending the game is growing - and assume that its been done to disguise the fact that the playerbase is shrinking ( which is it, 3.5k accounts in a free round so far fs?? thats abysmal no matter which way you look at it )
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Re: Multiple Accounts

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I think I would rather have bot planets and maybe even bot alliances.
This would be an option but some coding to ensure they arent roidfarms and dont hit people en masse etc, however i play another game with bots in there and the bots are very annoying and slightly powerful, people are always complaining about them.
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I think I would rather have bot planets and maybe even bot alliances.
thats an idea which has been suggested a lot in the past, including in pateam circles.
Imo it has promise if done right - though the difficulty with bots - as killmark discovered - is that sometimes they all find the exact same target with the right criteria and go for it en-masse
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Re: Multiple Accounts

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Re: Multiple Accounts

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This would have to be looked at, as I said the second account is just that, a mere mess around. Have a laugh with some people who never login and attack randomly etc. It would take a conscious effort from the community and admins to police it though ;/
I would find this hard for any player to be able to acheive. E.g. would you ever attack your own alliance with another one of your planets? Would you ever defend against your own alliance with your 2nd or 3rd accounts? The answer would be no, so there is already bias in the account.
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