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Unread 7 Mar 2005, 18:56   #151
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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are longshots different to jokers?
yes, jokers are simple... they just double your points. Longshots are awarded when 3 or fewer people have predicted that particular result (+2 general, +3 exact) but draws no longer count
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

why dont draws count again? i would have said that they were as valid a result as any other??
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

because then i might have got longshots
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

I was just never comfortable with them for some reason. I think a surprise win is much more worthy of a bonus than a draw. I had been awarding them at a reduced rate anyway : +1 whether G or X and when sniborp started putting 1-1 for everything, I didn't want to see lack of skill rewarded so I dropped them altogether (while increasing eligibility for home/away longshots from 2 ppl to 3).

Basically I tinker sometimes, and some changes stay, others don't. No draw bonuses for March and then in April we'll judge if it was better or worse without them.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

see he didnt give them because of me...
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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see he didnt give them because of me...
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

minor update so no main table for just one game

man city 0-1 bolton

only 3 people scored any points

Kurashima and LHC scored 3 (G + longshot)

and the mighty Phalon scored 6 (X + longshot)
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Team PSX	19	31	88
The All-Stars	13	32	71
the sniborp 3 	13	31	70
Team Mourinho	11	31	64
Team SMS	6	38	56
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

oh dear
what a mediocre time the whole team is having
we're nearly bottom
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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oh dear
what a mediocre time the whole team is having
we're nearly bottom
I blame the captain.
Why can't we get any X's
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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plenty more +rep heading your way when it lets me
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I was just never comfortable with them for some reason. I think a surprise win is much more worthy of a bonus than a draw. I had been awarding them at a reduced rate anyway : +1 whether G or X and when sniborp started putting 1-1 for everything, I didn't want to see lack of skill rewarded so I dropped them altogether (while increasing eligibility for home/away longshots from 2 ppl to 3).

Basically I tinker sometimes, and some changes stay, others don't. No draw bonuses for March and then in April we'll judge if it was better or worse without them.
i don't really get this. there's a bigger chance on games ending up in a victory for one of both teams than that it ends in a draw. so in my opinion, people who predicted a draw should be rewarded aswell when they've done it well.
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i don't really get this. there's a bigger chance on games ending up in a victory for one of both teams than that it ends in a draw. so in my opinion, people who predicted a draw should be rewarded aswell when they've done it well.
I've told you, he doesnt want me getting points, IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
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I'd say the chance of an underdog team getting a draw is more likely than them getting a win though wouldn't you?
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I'd say the chance of an underdog team getting a draw is more likely than them getting a win though wouldn't you?
yes. but take a look at these possible situations:

situation 1
everyone predicts the underdog to win or play a draw, one person predicts the 'better team' to win.
he would get a longshot bonus when the most likely thing happens, only because other players predicted something else.

situation 2
everyone predicts the 'better team' to win, and one person predicts a draw. when the game ends in a draw, he does not get the longshot bonus, despite the fact that everyone predicted something else and the result itself is much more unlikely than in situation 1.


i don't think the predictionsystem is really balanced this way.
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yea, i see your point, especially regarding 'situation 2'.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

situation 1 hasn't happened yet

situation 2... well, you do have a point, a teensy little one
Fundamentally, a longshot is a crap team getting an unexpected win.

It's not unusual for the crap team to put 10 players behind the ball, and grind out a draw. This is not as worthy of a bonus. Equally in a very balanced game where most people have chosen one team or the other, a draw was never unlikely even though only two people may have predicted one - not worthy either.

So I expect most will agree a longshot draw deserves less reward than a longshot win. Now the X column, though it scores higher, is made up of bonuses and lucky guesses, so when two people tie, the one with most G's is placed higher in the table. To add lower bonuses for draws, some of those points would be "tainting the purity" of the G column . Maybe if I redo the tables to have X,G, and B columns, that won't matter (it's a rewrite I never got round to, and at this stage of the season, it wouldn't be compatible with the monthly and season league tables). At the moment I add all the longshots manually, and it's easier for me to have the simple "bonus for wins only @ +2G,+3X" when I do them.

I hope I've bored you all into submission. I did clearly state that draws would get no bonuses this month, and forseeing sniborp getting undeserved bonuses and wanting to discourage him from not playing properly was a factor in that. (It seemed a nicer approach than just telling him if he ever won, it would be ignored (which it would!))

They could be back for April. Finally, there haven't been any eligible draws so fair anyway.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

I didn't want you abusing a loophole and getting bonuses for no skill, but I'm happy for you to get points in the same way as everyone else, by playing properly.

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EDIT and in what way is it a conspiracy, bearing in mind that a conspiracy by definition needs at least two people, and I made that decision alone?

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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

it had nothing whatsoever to do with the £20 that i backhanded him

no siree... nothing at all...
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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I didn't want you abusing a loophole and getting bonuses for no skill, but I'm happy for you to get points in the same way as everyone else, by playing properly.

PS I made you green again

EDIT and in what way is it a conspiracy, bearing in mind that a conspiracy by definition needs at least two people, and I made that decision alone?
You and I make two people.

and if i goto to the bookies and pick something at random, should the bookies not pay me what i should get, simply because i didnt put as much effort into them as maybe some of the others?
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Get over it nancy boy.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

nancy boy? stop beating around the bush being PC and just say fag
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

I should be rewarded a pos rep for my sunday predictions.

That's just me being a team player.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry - Cardiff
12CH Ipswich - Nottm Forest
12CH Preston - Wolves
12CH QPR - Watford
12CH Reading - West Ham
12CH Wigan - Millwall
12IT Lazio - Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen - Hibernian
12SP Celtic - Dunfermline
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13ER NEC - Ajax
13IT AC Milan - Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari - Roma
13IT Palermo - Udinese
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

Forest won \o/
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

Man C 0-1 Bolton
Watford 0-2 Forest


63% table [34/54]
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Phalon		10	12	42
Blastoderm	7	12	33
JonnyBGood	6	12	30
Zharkov		5	11	26
Koen		5	10	25
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sniborp		2	10	16
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the sniborp 3 	13	33	72
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Forest won \o/
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 1 - 1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 1 - 1 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 2 - 1 Wolves
12CH QPR 2 - 0 Watford
12CH Reading 1 - 1 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2 - 0 Millwall
12IT Lazio 1 - 1 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 1 - 1 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 3 - 0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 0 - 2 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 2 - 0 Roda JC
13ER NEC 0 - 2 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 1 - 0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 2 - 1 Roma
13IT Palermo 1 - 0 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid1 - 0 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2 - 0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 2 - 0 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 2 - 1 Bayern Munich [J]
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 0-1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 0-1 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 2-0 Wolves
12CH QPR 2-0 Watford
12CH Reading 0-0 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2-0 Millwall
12IT Lazio 0-1 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 1-0 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 3-1 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 1-3 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 2-0 Roda JC
13ER NEC 0-1 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 2-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 0-1 Roma
13IT Palermo1 -0 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-0 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2-0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 1-0 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 0-1 Bayern Munich [J]
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

Thanks for the reminder, I thought I had already done this heh.


12CH Coventry1 -2 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 2-0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 2-1 Wolves
12CH QPR 3-1 Watford
12CH Reading 2-2 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2-0 Millwall
12IT Lazio 1-2 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 1-1 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 2-0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 0-3 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 2-1 Roda JC
13ER NEC 1-2 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 2-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 0-1 Roma
13IT Palermo 1-2 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-1 Valencia
13ES Barcelona2 -0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 2-1 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 1-1 Bayern Munich [J]
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

and the entire SMS team put wolves to lose...

and you wonder why you're near-bottom

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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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and the entire SMS team put wolves to lose...

and you wonder why you're near-bottom

edit - I'm "so" going to regret this
Pff, it's just bad luck

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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 1-1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 2-0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 0-1 Wolves
12CH QPR 1-2 Watford
12CH Reading 1-0 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2-0 Millwall
12IT Lazio 1-2 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 0-1 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 2-0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 0-3 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 2-1 Roda JC
13ER NEC 0-1 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 2-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 1-1 Roma
13IT Palermo 0-1 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-3 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2-1 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 2-1 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 0-2 Bayern Munich [J]
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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 2 - 1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 1 - 0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 1 - 2 Wolves
12CH QPR 2 - 0 Watford
12CH Reading 1 - 0 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2 - 1 Millwall
12IT Lazio 0 - 1 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 3 - 1 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 3 - 0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 1 - 3 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 2 - 0 Roda JC
13ER NEC 1 - 3 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 2 - 0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 1 - 2 Roma
13IT Palermo 2 - 1 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 2 - 1 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2 - 0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 1-1 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 1 - 1 Bayern Munich [J]
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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 1-1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 2-0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 1-2 Wolves
12CH QPR 0-0 Watford
12CH Reading 0-1 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2-0 Millwall
12IT Lazio 1-1 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 1-1 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 3-0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 0-2 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 1-0 Roda JC
13ER NEC 0-2 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 1-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 2-1 Roma
13IT Palermo 2-1 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-0 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 1-0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 2-0 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 1-0 Bayern Munich [J]
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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league 18 - part 2
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12CH Coventry 1-0 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 2-0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 1-1 Wolves
12CH QPR 0-0 Watford
12CH Reading 2-0 West Ham
12CH Wigan 0-1 Millwall
12IT Lazio 0-2 Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 1-0 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 2-0 Dunfermline
13SP Dundee 1-1 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 0-2 Roda JC
13ER NEC 1-0 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 3-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 0-1 Roma
13IT Palermo 2-1 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 0-1 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2-0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 1-1 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 1-0 Bayern Munich [J]
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I doubt I already predicted these, but I get so confused.
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

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I doubt I already predicted these, but I get so confused.
actually you did (which is why I didn't remind you - predict when I tell you to ok? )

so have a look here and then tell me if you want to predict with the old or the new list
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I'll go with the new one, fate must have intervened to make me do better. or something
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

12CH Coventry 1-1 Cardiff
12CH Ipswich 6-0 Nottm Forest
12CH Preston 2-2 Wolves
12CH QPR 3-1 Watford
12CH Reading 3-1 West Ham
12CH Wigan 2-0 Millwall
12IT Lazio L-L Inter Milan
12SP Aberdeen 3-0 Hibernian
12SP Celtic 6-0 Dunfermline


79% table [44/53]
Code:
		x	g	pts
Phalon		12	15	51
Blastoderm	7	15	36
Zharkov		5	17	32
1-X		7	10	31
JonnyBGood -8	6	12	30
SYMM		4	17	29
midge5		4	16	28
Koen		5	13	28
JC		5	12	27
roadrunner	4	14	26
Ste		3	17	26
Stew		4	14	26
Inferno		3	15	24
LHC		3	13	22
Non.Human	3	12	21
sniborp		3	12	21
Kurashima -8	4	6	18
team standings
Code:
		x	g	pts
Team PSX	23	42	111
the sniborp 3 	14	41	83
The All-Stars	13	42	81
Team SMS	11	47	80
Team Mourinho	12	40	76
Team For Tea	13	27	67
non-predictors today : Rumad, Kurashima, JonnyBGood
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Re: [football] League 18 - starts March 1st

12IT Lazio 1-1 Inter Milan
13SP Dundee 0-2 Rangers
13ER Feyenoord 4-1 Roda JC
13ER NEC 0-1 Ajax
13IT AC Milan 1-0 Sampdoria
13IT Cagliari 3-0 Roma <--- +2 1-X, Ste
13IT Palermo 1-5 Udinese
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-0 Valencia
13ES Barcelona 2-0 Athletic Bilbao
13ES Villarreal 4-1 Espanyol
13DE Schalke 1-0 Bayern Munich [J]


btw I scored 25 points from 11 games today \o/
Code:
					   my points
12IT Lazio 1-1 Inter Milan			X
13SP Dundee 0-2 Rangers				X
13ER Feyenoord 4-1 Roda JC			G
13ER NEC 0-1 Ajax				G
13IT AC Milan 1-0 Sampdoria			X
13IT Cagliari 3-0 Roma <--- 			X (G+LS)
13IT Palermo 1-5 Udinese 
13ES Atletico Madrid 1-0 Valencia		X
13ES Barcelona 2-0 Athletic Bilbao		G
13ES Villarreal 4-1 Espanyol			G
13DE Schalke 1-0 Bayern Munich [J]		XX
If I awarded longshot bonuses on [J] games I'd have 62 points, but that would be silly so I'll just have to make do with 2nd place, which is also very nice and serves the greater glory of TEAM PSX

FINAL TABLE [53/53]
Code:
		x	g	pts
Phalon		13	21	60
1-X		14	14	56
Ste		9	22	49
Blastoderm	9	17	44
Zharkov		6	22	40
SYMM		7	18	39
Stew		7	18	39
midge5		5	22	37
Koen		6	18	36
JC		5	17	32
roadrunner	4	20	32
Inferno		4	19	31
Non.Human	4	18	30
LHC		4	18	30
JonnyBGood -19	6	12	30
sniborp		5	14	29
Kurashima -19	4	6	18
Rumad -26	0	14	14
FINAL TEAM TABLE
Code:
		x	g	pts
Team PSX	34	53	155	Phalon, SYMM, 1-X
Team SMS	21	62	125	Ste, midge5, Stew
The All-Stars	17	54	105	Blasto, NonHuman, Inferno
the sniborp 3 	17	48	99	JBGood, sniborp, Zharkov
Team Mourinho	14	56	98	KoeN, rr_0, LHC
Team For Tea	 9	37	64	Kura, JC, Rumad
So a big well done to Phalon who had this "as good as won" from the start.
And all bow down and worship the majesty that is TEAM PSX [/gloat]

don't forget League 19 starts tuesday

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Well done Phalon.
Well done 1-X for today.

Well done Ste and whole SMS - that's a good recovery.
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I did pretty well today as well
What a jump
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I did pretty well today as well
What a jump
Today I got 25, you got 23, next up was Stew with 13 :eek:
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what do the overall tables look like now?
Koen hasn't been doing well recently...
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what do the overall tables look like now?
Koen hasn't been doing well recently...
later , I've got the FA Cup to sort out now...
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We look forward to looking down on you from the top of the table
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Well done team (wonder when my luck will run out ) and well done everyone else.

Special well done and thanks to 1-X who, to put it bluntly, ****ing rocks
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Bloody hell, you 2 did well. I was confident going into today I wouldn't be bottom of our team, how wrong I was
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I'm quite pleased, one of my stranger months where I'm neither winning nor losing-disastrously.
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