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[football] General world cup antics!
Brazil won the game but really all credit for me goes to australia, considering the talent brazil started with australia ran them close and with better finishers in the team would have won. I don't think Brazil are going to win this WC though, the 4-2-2-2 system isn't working, ronaldinho isn't anywhere near as dangerous as he should be, its Kaka and Adriano who battle for brazil in midfield.
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18 Jun 2006, 18:57
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Indeed there's something wrong with Brazil. Still only 2 matches played, but they've not really shown their expected potential. Ronaldinho has been way too anonymous. I hope they get well again and start to entertain me, because this is boring.
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18 Jun 2006, 18:58
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Also Ronaldo is playing like a fag (i suspect he might not start next game).
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18 Jun 2006, 19:01
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Brazil over-complicate things when they try playing through the middle. Really it's just when you have a very fit and disciplined team defending in-depth it's extraordinarily difficult to score. Australia had a fair few chances at the end but so did Brazil. And fatty ronaldo seriously needs to be dropped for robinho.
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18 Jun 2006, 19:01
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
considering what robinho did after being subbed for ronaldo id be very suprised to see him again
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Brazilian soccer fans are arrogant.
One of the guy in the office has a girlfriend in Brazil who seldom send naked pictures of herself over the internet but does send criticisims of the American team. I can understand the criticisim but the lack of naked pictures is unforgivable.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Brazil are currently in the same situation as England where they haven't gotten out of 2nd gear. Credit to the aussies today, i thought they had a real chance to cause an upset. Also Brazil have slim hope of winning the worldcup if that pie muncher keeps starting.
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18 Jun 2006, 19:14
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
this is the first time ive really disagreed with the bbc viwer ratings of the players
they've averaged ronaldo at 6.93 above cafu, lucio, juan, carlos, emerson and ze reberto!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...06/5059090.stm
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Robinho is a cinch to start against Japan after his performance as a replacement for Ronaldo. I thought that Ronaldo started well, but after the petty yellow he just went back into that slump again.
Kaka also played well today, but Ronaldinho was poor.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
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all of them played like cripples though
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
In the 2nd half they became a lot better. Australia was pretty impressive though.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Can we have just one world cup thread where we can talk continuously about the world cup? or do we need a new one for every one of the 64 games occuring in the next 3 weeks?
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18 Jun 2006, 19:34
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
i agree if the mods could just merge the threads already made be much obliged etc,
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18 Jun 2006, 19:38
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
great one big football world cup orgy!
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18 Jun 2006, 19:59
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
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Can we have just one world cup thread where we can talk continuously about the world cup? or do we need a new one for every one of the 64 games occuring in the next 3 weeks?
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I can understand that you'd be worried that a thread you hadn't read might slip off the front page before you got to it because things move so fast around here and merging the footballl threads into one is your way of making sure this doesnt happen.
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18 Jun 2006, 20:03
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
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I can understand that you'd be worried that a thread you hadn't read might slip off the front page before you got to it because things move so fast around here and merging the footballl threads into one is your way of making sure this doesnt happen.
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Thats exactly my point, the speed and activity of GD these days prevents myself and others from reading such important threads such as this thread in question.
In an ideal situation GD wouldnt be so active and threads like this wouldnt slip off the front page within an hour. God damn you GD. God damn you.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
In the spirit of "the merging".
Henry just got one for france and they've been looking good. might post that in the fantasy football thread too.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
The earliest thread on the first page of GD is from the 12th June - 6 days ago. Plenty of time to check GD regularly .
As for merging the threads, I'm not sure it's a great idea since it stifles discussion about earlier matches - and when there's 3-4 games on the same day, that would make me sad
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
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i agree if the mods could just merge the threads already made be much obliged etc,
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YOU STARTED TWO OF THEM YOURSELF WHAT THE ****?
PS The next five people to post a yes/no after me get to decide if all the world cup discussion threads on the front page get merged.
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18 Jun 2006, 21:54
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
no
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18 Jun 2006, 22:04
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
Yes.
I like general threads, the barrier to posting banalities on the broader topic is lower.
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In the spirit of "the merging".
Henry just got one for france and they've been looking good. might post that in the fantasy football thread too.
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they were looking good for the first ten minutes, the rest of the game was just boring, except for the korean goal, which made me laugh.
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YOU STARTED TWO OF THEM YOURSELF WHAT THE ****?
PS The next five people to post a yes/no after me get to decide if all the world cup discussion threads on the front page get merged.
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Yeah so can you just change the title of this thread to [football] World Cup
anyway in the battle of the dog eaters vs the frog eaters the french are a bunch of lazy frenchmen who scored once faffed around then fumbled desperately when the koreans deservedly got a goal for their efforts.
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Re: [football] Aus V Brazil
4-1. Democracy took the lead early on, added a second before half-time and were just in cruise control after that.
PS Now this is the general world cup thread but if people want to start other ones on specific topics they can!
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Question for the Aussies though. Why the heck didnt Harry Kewell start, he changed the game when he came on and was so much more creative than anything else that was on offer.
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18 Jun 2006, 23:01
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Because cahill scored two in the last game and you're playing brazil so while it's still 0-0 poncy twats like kewell who refuse to track back are a luxury you can't afford.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
roberto carlos out, ronaldo out. juninho in, gilberto in.
ftw.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
robinho in, he was ****ing amazing for the 20 minutes or so he came on for. Also why oh why does carlos insist on taking every freekick and doing a baggio of free kicks, just let ronaldinho take them and you can start scoring.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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roberto carlos out, ronaldo out, juninho in, gilberto in.
ftw.
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What formation would you be playing?
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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What formation would you be playing?
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gilberto taking roberto carlos' place, kaka more to the center instead of the right where's pushed at now, adriano up front, ronaldinho at the left, juninho taking his place on midfield.
juninho taking free kicks instead of carlos, who hasn't scored out of it for 2 years now.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Gilberto at left-back?
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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Gilberto at left-back?
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yes. you know, the way they pwned the confederations cup last year. :/
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Leonardo said that Parreira doesn't like to change his team midway through a tournament, hes doggedly kept the same team all the way up to now. He might drop ronaldo but id be suprised at such widescale changes.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Let's talk about France.
They haven't won a world cup game on foreign soil for 20 years! (France 4 - 2 Belgium; third place playoff; Mexico 1986). Everyone keeps slating Henry but I don't think it's really his fault - the team just don't give him the service he needs. They have so many good players but they just don't seem to gel together as a team....
It looks like it's gonna come down to goal difference in Group G - so basically how many goals can Switzerland and France score against Togo....
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
They can gel as a team, they're just lazy frenchmen* after the koreans scored they cranked it up and played fluidly and with aggression, they tried to get through on idle and it didn't work. If the french had kept up the pace for more of the game they could have won 3/4-0
*as are the english on occasion
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
I have my doubts about how good Henry is against a well organised defence.
He never seems to do that well against the 'good' teams in the premiership or for France.
Although this is based on my memory so I'd be happy if Blasto or another Arsenal fan can prove me wrong.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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I have my doubts about how good Henry is against a well organised defence.
He never seems to do that well against the 'good' teams in the premiership or for France.
Although this is based on my memory so I'd be happy if Blasto or another Arsenal fan can prove me wrong.
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I said this a while back to a friend of mine who was an Arsenal fan and got slated for it recently after his champions league performances. Everytime he'd score he'd just look at me and say "big game player".
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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I said this a while back to a friend of mine who was an Arsenal fan and got slated for it recently after his champions league performances. Everytime he'd score he'd just look at me and say "big game player".
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
That's a strike rate of about 1 in 2 which is pretty decent especially for someone who creates as many as he scores.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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That's a strike rate of about 1 in 2 which is pretty decent especially for someone who creates as many as he scores.
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pretty decent isn't "supposedly best in the world" though.
Especially when 3 of the goals were against Sparta Prague. Ok, one against Juve and one against Real Madrid but still...
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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pretty decent isn't "supposedly best in the world" though.
Especially when 3 of the goals were against Sparta Prague. Ok, one against Juve and one against Real Madrid but still...
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Over a third of a club's entire goal scoring total in a competition isn't bad going. It's like scoring 40-50 odd goals in the premiership. He's also scored important goals against Manchester United, Roma, Inter Milan, Chelsea, Liverpool, and other such small clubs.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Henry plays well for Arsenal because Arsenal play to keep the ball and move the ball quickly. Zidane etc are sitting there waiting to give the killer pass but really all they need to do is stick the ball into space asap, and henry will do the rest. On top of that Malouda/Wiltord don't seem to be a patch on Ljungberg/Reyes on bombing forward so there's bound to be less space for him. Instead of Van Persie supporting there's a holding player in Makelele and the youth of Fabregas coming into the box is instead Zidane who barely moves. It's why Henry scores great (but often actually quite simple) goals because the whole Arsenal set up is designed to make space for the whole team.
Like Brazil and Ronaldinho, France are suffering because there is no freedom and space for their best player. To make it worse, this seems to be a world cup where less teams are going for the upset proper and are just hanging on to a 0-0 for dear life instead.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
imo the main reason for Brazil and France underachieving is because of too much respect for the older players, who have won the wc in 1998 and 2002.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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imo the main reason for Brazil and France underachieving is because of too much respect for the older players, who have won the wc in 1998 and 2002.
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As regards brazil I'd disagree. I've found that, despite what the critics are saying, cafu and roberto carlos have played well so far this tournament, certainly up to the standard of the rest of the team. I presume you're not saying drop ronaldinho so the only two players left are lucio and ronaldo. Ronaldo obviously needs to lay off the pies and try going for a run but lucio seems to be the same old mediocre defender who enjoys a dash up the field he always was. I'd agree on france though. How zidane is still playing for france is beyond me.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
it still puzzles me why Malouda isn't in the first 11. brilliant player. and if i were coaching Brazil, Juninho would always start too.
btw yesterday Piet de Visser was guest in some dutch football-talkshow. he's one of Abramoviches main scouts, does a lot of work in Brazil too. he was the guy that discovered Ronaldo when he was 17 years old. and more recently he discovered Robinho, Farfan and Fred too.
there was some discussion going on about 'what is wrong with Ronaldo'. then De Visser stood up for him, said he actually worked very hard in the 2 years he was out; training 4 times a day to make his knee better. now he still suffers from that knee, but Nike (who have a huge deal with the Brazilian footballunion, with Ronaldo as main man) needs him.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
Yeah, the whole Nike own Brazil therefore ronaldo plays thing is one of the more believable "conspiracy" theories considering what has been happening. That said someone said parreira doesn't change his teams much.
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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Leonardo said that Parreira doesn't like to change his team midway through a tournament, hes doggedly kept the same team all the way up to now. He might drop ronaldo but id be suprised at such widescale changes.
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i actuallly dont thi8nk he has the balls to drop ronaldo , but i dont think its his desicion , there are internal politics he has to contend with within the brazil team,
if i was coach of brazil fat bastard (ronaldo) would be on his way home now
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Re: [football] General world cup antics!
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it still puzzles me why Malouda isn't in the first 11. brilliant player. and if i were coaching Brazil, Juninho would always start too.
btw yesterday Piet de Visser was guest in some dutch football-talkshow. he's one of Abramoviches main scouts, does a lot of work in Brazil too. he was the guy that discovered Ronaldo when he was 17 years old. and more recently he discovered Robinho, Farfan and Fred too.
there was some discussion going on about 'what is wrong with Ronaldo'. then De Visser stood up for him, said he actually worked very hard in the 2 years he was out; training 4 times a day to make his knee better. now he still suffers from that knee, but Nike (who have a huge deal with the Brazilian footballunion, with Ronaldo as main man) needs him.
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I was about to say that everything you said about brazil in this thread is based on what you've heard from Piet de Visser, but there you go.
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