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Unread 19 Apr 2006, 17:12   #1
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Our increasingly vindictive society

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4921230.stm

Once again our government instigates a silly and vicious policy in order to get positive headlines in the daily mail.

Being wrongfully convicted involves being wrongfully tried, going through the agony of court proceedings which frequently last over a year.

So called 'technicalities' are our legal system. If the state system makes a mistake during the legal process then it is a good thing that those convicted get off.

These 'technicalities' are useful indicators of when our police force and our crown prosecution service have ****ED UP. It is in every citizen's interests that we be aware of when these institution **** UP lest we all end up wrongfully convicted.

People who are wrongfully convicted are the victims of crime. A crime committed by their own government. It is essential and right that they be compensated properly for this.

I am unhappy with this increasing tendancy of the government to attack vulnerable minorities simply because these minorities are not 'popular' with the uneducated masses.
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Unread 19 Apr 2006, 17:20   #2
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

Not to worry, im sure the Queen will sort this mess out!!

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Unread 19 Apr 2006, 17:25   #3
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

Most of it is pretty unfair.

However, no compensation for those in prison for other offences seems to make sense to me, as they haven't been "wrongfully imprisoned" at all and their exoneration in court should be fair compensation in that scenario.
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

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Not to worry, im sure the Queen will sort this mess out!!

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you forgot the old in your last line ;(
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the image of the queen, in lycra/body-moulded rubber ( choose your batman era ) , with a mask on, cape fluttering in the wind while shouting "NANANANANANANANANAH!" is not exactly a pleasant one tyvm
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

Think female del-boy.
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

there's a news story (local york news i think) where someone was found innocent but sent to jail anyway.

edit : http://www.thisisyork.co.uk/york/new...S_LOCAL10.html
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Re: Our increasingly vindictive society

I was listening to the debate on this on FiveLive this evening. Some junior minister defending the reason they took this decision with the Local Elections on the horizon ("We did NOT take this decision with that in mind. Yes, we admit this was suggested nearly FIVE YEARS AGO but we felt now was the right time, after consultation, to instigate it").

What strikes me about this is theyre capping the payments on victims of miscarriage of justice to increase the payments to victims of things such as violent crime.

Other little titbits that said to me "This is a very bad idea"
  • If youve been convicted of a crime previously, your payout will be reduced.
  • If youre a victim of a miscarriage of justice, youre still a victim of crime. Why should you get less money for spending 10 years in a prison cell because of errors made by the crown in prosecuting, be they technical or deliberate witholding, than someone who gets their arm broken in a mugging?
  • Why are they seeking to change the categorisation of some aspects of a miscarriage of justice? Is this a cheap vote winning ploy to lessen the liability of the crown when it makes fundamental mistakes?

The one thing which did worry me very seriously though is the mooted introduction of the "Not Proven" verdict into English Law. Its the one single aspect of Scottish Law which is a very bad idea. I personally refer to it as "That Bastard Law" as I always bring to mind the Francis Auld case (go Googling, he got off a murder rap on "Not Proven") as the worst example of it.

The one thing the law has to be is Decisive, because if its not, you lose faith in it. Youre either guilty , or not guilty. Not proven is a horrific muddle of a verdict and if its introduced, will make a mockery of the law courts in England.
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