|
|
30 Sep 2014, 05:59
|
#151
|
Error
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 359
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Im talking about real cr fleets. Attack ones
Anyway. Gonna just wait the stats as always.
Edit. U sound like annoying teacher trying to explain something that even u cant understand at all.
And i want just the last 10 rounds. So i have 7 rounds xan fires after. Different points of view math skiller.
__________________
#braSilFTW
Last edited by Joseph; 30 Sep 2014 at 06:11.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 06:16
|
#152
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 707
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
New trend with limitted class interferral? This is even more limitted than last rounds set.
And the point Joseph was trying to make incase unclear Tia:
All fr ships are steal or kill based against cr. Cr has 2 emp ships vs fr.
You've made FR an overly needed class, and NOT because of CR.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 06:18
|
#153
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
If Xan Fi fires before Ter and Xan De then xan and ter de will never be able to land attack.
Now i would be open to making banshee's fire before Pegs and Spectres but it would be a non-cloaked ship.
The other option would be making banshee fire before Pegs and Spectres but have Cutlass fire before phantom.
Even a 3rd option would be to make banshee fire before Pegs and Spectres but have Slyph hit Fi(free fire)
If Xan fi has init adv over every race except Emp it will be 40% picked, which I am trying to avoid. Just because the people that want to play "xan only" round are the only ones complaining about this is just hilarious to me. Because you are the kind of people that are killing this game.
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
Last edited by Tiamat101; 30 Sep 2014 at 06:25.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 06:23
|
#154
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoDD
You've made FR an overly needed class, and NOT because of CR.
|
This i will admit. There are a few ships that i could modify to adjust this, Slyph and Revanant respectively. Was thinking of making Slyph a Co that hits Fr at init 8(after etd but before zik) As for Revanant i have no idea xan is already where i want them.
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 06:50
|
#155
|
Error
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 359
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Please let me know who told u the game is dying..
And i was just talking about the cr not killing fr. And terran shooting before 3 different attack fleets classes.
All this xan fi thing is just to u.
__________________
#braSilFTW
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 07:29
|
#156
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Fine you all get to have your ****ing Xan fi round. I see 35%+ xan picked
Peg init 6 d/c a/c buffed to respect change
Banshee init 5 a/c decrease to respect change.
Beetle init 1 e/r decreased to respect change
Judge init 2 e/r buffed to respect change
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 07:34
|
#157
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
I would like the wraith to go from Cloacked to Normal, its pretty over powered as it is now.
The Mantis, and Buccaneer needs to get tuned down, as Joseph said there is only EMP CR, so the FR cant eat up CR.
Having only two ships in roiding classes for CR/BS you need to consider what we need to outflack EMP, and still not fall behind on the targetting system, as FR got Three ships in roiding class it means EMP resistance have to be played around With.
Id prefer the Dealer to be normal, the Gryphon to be cloacked, and the Baliff steal.
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 07:37
|
#158
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
You cant have FI fire before everything! its enough that it can solo land zik and ETD
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 08:06
|
#159
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 477
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Try this and see where it takes the stats.
pegasus init 6->7
spectre init 7->5
banshee init 5->6
judge 39->50 e/r
investor 46->50 guns
tycoon 105->120 armor
mantis 85 -> 80 e/r
ghost 85 -> 81 e/r
buccaneer 87 -> 83 e/r
dealer 85 -> 82 e/r
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 09:16
|
#160
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Noruega
Posts: 2,999
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Ill state this for the umpteenth time.
Xan having the only good anti xan fi is THE WORST dynamic about a set of stats
__________________
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of War"
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 10:00
|
#161
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 477
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by isildurx
Ill state this for the umpteenth time.
Xan having the only good anti xan fi is THE WORST dynamic about a set of stats
|
Beats noone having good anti fi imo(apart from beet)
Another change
Avenger de-> co
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 11:03
|
#162
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 297
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
It kinda looks like you had a certain design at the start, then changed things every time someone posted in the forums and now the shipstats just make a lot less sense.
The changes with Pegs init and Viper/ Rev init, removed the weakness of Fi/Co roid fleets to ingal DE/FR.
Which I'm guessing was intentional earlier, and made sense too. Now the Revenant isn't in your roiding fleet, has bad init and terrible armor and worse eta than the phantom.
The switching of CR/BS fleets around, left CR a whole lot weaker and only able to EMP FR.
And the Judge, which was clearly intended as a good way to stop cath Co, now lost its init advantage, making them rather pointless to build.
In the original set, each attacking combo had some good ship (or 2) to stop it, now that's not true anymore. Considering it's ST round, where most classes only fire at 2-3 other classes. If you also need a lot of value of the right defensive ships to cover incoming. I think we'll end up with even more roid swapping than in the previous round.
And with the FI and Co fleet, both not having any weakness vs FR/DE I'm afraid this will turn into a very fi/co heavy round. With fi/co also being the best thing to stop fi/co.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 11:36
|
#163
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 517
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shhhhhhh
It kinda looks like you had a certain design at the start, then changed things every time someone posted in the forums and now the shipstats just make a lot less sense.
The changes with Pegs init and Viper/ Rev init, removed the weakness of Fi/Co roid fleets to ingal DE/FR.
Which I'm guessing was intentional earlier, and made sense too. Now the Revenant isn't in your roiding fleet, has bad init and terrible armor and worse eta than the phantom.
The switching of CR/BS fleets around, left CR a whole lot weaker and only able to EMP FR.
And the Judge, which was clearly intended as a good way to stop cath Co, now lost its init advantage, making them rather pointless to build.
In the original set, each attacking combo had some good ship (or 2) to stop it, now that's not true anymore. Considering it's ST round, where most classes only fire at 2-3 other classes. If you also need a lot of value of the right defensive ships to cover incoming. I think we'll end up with even more roid swapping than in the previous round.
And with the FI and Co fleet, both not having any weakness vs FR/DE I'm afraid this will turn into a very fi/co heavy round. With fi/co also being the best thing to stop fi/co.
|
To add, it is hard to evaluate changes when they completely changes the stats concept. Last night changes just created a different stats set with little relation to the previous.
__________________
mxy
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 11:54
|
#164
|
Error
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 359
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by fortran
To add, it is hard to evaluate changes when they completely changes the stats concept. Last night changes just created a different stats set with little relation to the previous.
|
Agree
I just cant see anyone asking for a xan round.
First thing i said was good, about cr and covop pods,
After that tia changed cr, and now cr just cant kill fr, biggest def class.
I just believe u should rollback stats. Before the cr.bs changing.
The xan/ter discussion here was first to make ter bs get shoot first from CR, as cr is ****ing useless. U started with this thing alone.
__________________
#braSilFTW
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 11:54
|
#165
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Noruega
Posts: 2,999
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plaguuu
Beats noone having good anti fi imo(apart from beet)
|
It actually doesn't. "Oh shit, xan fi are good, I need to go the race that can deal with xan fi.... oh hmmm... I have to go xan to beat xan...
=> 40% of uni goes xan
If there is to be a ship that outinits and kills xan fi then it NEEDS to be a different race than xan.
__________________
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of War"
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 12:21
|
#166
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
What is the point with the Avenger (Etd De)? Dont see why anyone would ever build it.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 12:21
|
#167
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plaguuu
Beats noone having good anti fi imo(apart from beet)
Another change
Avenger de-> co
|
THis ^^
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 12:53
|
#168
|
mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by fortran
To add, it is hard to evaluate changes when they completely changes the stats concept. Last night changes just created a different stats set with little relation to the previous.
|
This is why I tend to wait a couple of weeks before commenting. Going over a set of stats once is just about on the edge of the time I'm willing to invest. If the stats maker then swaps a bunch of roiding fleets around (as per last round), then even if it's the right decision(!), I very quickly lose motivation.
P.S. I still haven't looked, but Isil is right, it's a bad idea to have Fi be the best counter to itself. That goes for all classes, but Fi/Co especially.
__________________
The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 13:17
|
#169
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph
Agree
I just cant see anyone asking for a xan round.
First thing i said was good, about cr and covop pods,
After that tia changed cr, and now cr just cant kill fr, biggest def class.
I just believe u should rollback stats. Before the cr.bs changing.
The xan/ter discussion here was first to make ter bs get shoot first from CR, as cr is ****ing useless. U started with this thing alone.
|
Before the changes there was nothing at all stopping BS.
I would remove the cath FR, and change wraights to atleast be none cloacked if they gonna eat up BS
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 13:46
|
#170
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 297
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Wraiths were already eating up BS before the CR/BS switch.
Wraiths as non cloaked seems like a bad idea.
As Xan you have to get hulls 3, just to build only the wraith, while you could build a ship thats 1 tick faster and fits in roiding fleet.
Considering how strong BS is vs DE and all the other CR, I don't think the wraith being cloaked, makes BS too weak.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 15:51
|
#171
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Slyph Fr-> Co T1 Fi A/c and D/c adjusted to reflect the change.
Xan fi A/c D/C decreased.
Investor -> Steal init 19 d/c a/c adjusted to reflect change.
Creditor Fi->Co init 20 T1 FR
Tycoon Cloak-> normal A/c Increased D/c Decreased
Avenger Steal-> Cloaked Normal init 4 A/c Decreased D/c decreased.
Not going to change Wraith at all, as was stated many times Xan will have to research hulls3 inorder to "effectivly" stop Bs which will already be a trade off for Xan.
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
Last edited by Tiamat101; 30 Sep 2014 at 16:08.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 15:52
|
#172
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypton
What is the point with the Avenger (Etd De)? Dont see why anyone would ever build it.
|
Because its the only way Etd can cover Fi?
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 15:55
|
#173
|
respect, unity, order
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 280
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamat101
Because its the only way Etd can cover Fi?
|
Doesn't change the fact it won't be built.
You'll need such a big amount of them to start doing stuff it won't be worth it for a ship you can only use on your own incs or maybe in gal
__________________
Together We Stand Divided We Fall
[Ðragons]
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:07
|
#174
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by berten
Doesn't change the fact it won't be built.
You'll need such a big amount of them to start doing stuff it won't be worth it for a ship you can only use on your own incs or maybe in gal
|
This was my first round as zik, ever afaik, and i seemed to do some nice stealing with my Cutlasses, just due to the fact that People kept faking me with only pods.
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:09
|
#175
|
speed demon
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SX!!
Posts: 343
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
bring back t2 and t3 targetting for more fun.
Also zik should have a ship which steals every other ship - last round sucked with zik unable to steal BS.
dont give any races 3 roiding fleets like etd last round. 2 is enuff.
stick to tradition
xan fire first of kill ships
emp fires before xan
ter have best armour and fire power
zik kill ships are slightly better than terran kill ships
etc etc
my 2 cents
__________________
see below how pro I am
Round 17 - Rank 3 - Omen (Zik)
Round 18 - Rank 2 - eXilition (Zik)
Round 20 - Rank 7 - Destiny (Zik)
Round 24 - Rank 2 - Conspiracy (Xan)
Round 28 - Rank 4 - Ascendancy (Xan)
Round 66 - Rank 9 - Ultores (Etd)
Round 83 - Rank 10 - #METOO (Zik)
Round 85 - Rank 3 - QQ (Etd)
Round 89 - Rank 2 - VGN (Zik)
Round 91 - Rank 9 - VGN (Zik)
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:11
|
#176
|
respect, unity, order
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 280
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
This was my first round as zik, ever afaik, and i seemed to do some nice stealing with my Cutlasses, just due to the fact that People kept faking me with only pods.
|
you'd build cutlass cause they were useful tough. now, Avenger could be useful also, if it was CO.
__________________
Together We Stand Divided We Fall
[Ðragons]
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:15
|
#177
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Had you taken the time to check the changes that were posted or even looked at: http://beta.planetarion.com/manual.p...n=282550778334 you would know what I am talking about. There are lots of changes that happened in the last 20 minutes. Mainly to Etd.
Viper init-> 6 A/c D/c adjusted to compensate.
Gryphon init-> 5
Bomber init ->4
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:30
|
#178
|
General (Adjective Army)
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Yorkshire, England.
Posts: 825
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamat101
Slyph
|
What?
(Did you mean Sylph, perhaps?)
__________________
Amnion (aka The Arcane Chas of Arcania) - Playing PA under those and other pseudonyms every genuine round since Round 2. Most recently (and insignificantly):
Onset of Apathy R94 | Stacks of Resources R95 | The Necromancer of Dol Guldur R96
70 Years of Queen Elizabeth R97 | Worst of The Worst R98
Knights of the Green Shield R99 | Look Out of The Window R100 | Most of All R102
Hard of Hearing (2:7:1) R103 | The Lateness of Your Application (1:6:6) R104 | Kinnison of Tellus (5:1:2) R105
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:33
|
#179
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamat101
Because its the only way Etd can cover Fi?
|
To build a ship that doesnt cover ally eta and outside of the races roiding class is a terrible idea. Particularly when the race is already sub-optimal on its strongest roiding fleet. Why would anyone choose it? At least this rounds stats made every race playable.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:34
|
#180
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
You were closer before you made these changes to etd btw
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:41
|
#181
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Avenger's primary use now is to stay at home...pointless when coinicided with Xan faking for fun. Stop messing around with the A/C's and D/C's until you have the ships in the desired classes with the desired T's and inits. Such a waste of time, when you're gonna be keeping on changing things.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:47
|
#182
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 477
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypton
Avenger's primary use now is to stay at home...pointless when coinicided with Xan faking for fun. Stop messing around with the A/C's and D/C's until you have the ships in the desired classes with the desired T's and inits. Such a waste of time, when you're gonna be keeping on changing things.
|
I beg to differ changing ac and dc is necessary as they are a big part of the balance.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 16:49
|
#183
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
But we're not even close. Sure, its important to consider, but these are so far off that it's frustrating to see changes being made that are inconsequential to the overall balance
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 17:00
|
#184
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 477
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
But instead of saying they are way off its better to come with input on whats way off and if you got it a solution to the problem
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 17:40
|
#185
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Which is what I have been doing.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 17:40
|
#186
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
But I daren't waste my time over it. Seems futile if Avenger is considered a valid ship in its current state
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 18:47
|
#187
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 297
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypton
But I daren't waste my time over it. Seems futile if Avenger is considered a valid ship in its current state
|
With its init 4, dont see whats wrong with it.
Any idea when the shipstats are a bit closer to finished Tia? atm it's a bit pointless to really spend a decent amount of time on it, since shipstats keep changing. If you think the main things are done, shipclasses, targetting, most inits etc. You could give everyone a day or 2 to calc. Then make some final tweaks.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 19:02
|
#188
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 846
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Wow, just another person that wants a Xan fi round. Soo let me get this strait, you want xan fi to Shoot EVERYTHING that targets it 1st so it doesnt have to worry about anything the entire round? Right because that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just don't even have words for you Krypton I can't tell if you want avenger buffed or de-buffed.
Also if you look, most has only one ship that hits fi/co AT eta, Terran the only exception. So everyone is going to have to rely on their fr/de to defend vs Fi/co in one way or another just because you cant ally def with avengers vs all xan fi incs boohohoho. I'd much rather change Pegasus back to init 4 and let xan Fi burn in a whole that it came out of. But as it stands Xan fi are hitting at ~~ 80% eff vs co and about 60% vs de. So I can let it stand. If your only Gripe is about an off class def ship that's not ally defendable then you can just take your comments off this forum.
__________________
R50-55 Faceless
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 20:15
|
#189
|
Error
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 359
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Can u please name who u saw asking for a xan fi round?
__________________
#braSilFTW
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 20:42
|
#190
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Wtf u doing to the avenger?
It was a FI stealer yesterday, i dont see why you want to make the zik/cat/etd combo stronger.
Id rather give back the FI killing DE to Terran.
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 21:19
|
#191
|
NE
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 828
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shhhhhhh
With its init 4, dont see whats wrong with it.
Any idea when the shipstats are a bit closer to finished Tia? atm it's a bit pointless to really spend a decent amount of time on it, since shipstats keep changing. If you think the main things are done, shipclasses, targetting, most inits etc. You could give everyone a day or 2 to calc. Then make some final tweaks.
|
It provides nothing to an alliance that isnt forting.
The Peg should get the init advantage and at least give it a strong attack fleet.
The original stats you posted were better Tia.
__________________
PEACE.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 21:34
|
#192
|
Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veil05
It provides nothing to an alliance that isnt forting.
The Peg should get the init advantage and at least give it a strong attack fleet.
The original stats you posted were better Tia.
|
The original stats was awfull
__________________
RainbowS
RB Ely MISTU Angel Fusi0n 1up ToF VisioN CT FAnG ROCK
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 21:50
|
#193
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamat101
Wow, just another person that wants a Xan fi round. Soo let me get this strait, you want xan fi to Shoot EVERYTHING that targets it 1st so it doesnt have to worry about anything the entire round? Right because that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just don't even have words for you Krypton I can't tell if you want avenger buffed or de-buffed.
Also if you look, most has only one ship that hits fi/co AT eta, Terran the only exception. So everyone is going to have to rely on their fr/de to defend vs Fi/co in one way or another just because you cant ally def with avengers vs all xan fi incs boohohoho. I'd much rather change Pegasus back to init 4 and let xan Fi burn in a whole that it came out of. But as it stands Xan fi are hitting at ~~ 80% eff vs co and about 60% vs de. So I can let it stand. If your only Gripe is about an off class def ship that's not ally defendable then you can just take your comments off this forum.
|
Pretty sure most other people have said its moronic. And how does making it a co anti fi ship make it worse? If anything my suggestion would make Xan fi a less prudent option. Counter intuitive thinking, now that's what I look for in a stats maker.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 21:51
|
#194
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
And ftr, I couldnt be bothered to list everything wrong with these stats cos, well, there's a lot and its off season. I was just making a valid point about a useless ship that wont get built. Bare in mind my statement was made when the stats showed ETD having two fi ships and no co
Last edited by Krypton; 30 Sep 2014 at 21:58.
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 21:51
|
#195
|
KK
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 662
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veil05
It provides nothing to an alliance that isnt forting.
The Peg should get the init advantage and at least give it a strong attack fleet.
The original stats you posted were better Tia.
|
This ^^
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 22:02
|
#196
|
Retired
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Back Porch Bar
Posts: 2,593
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
This thread makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
Also agreeing, the original set was better.
__________________
I'd rather be fishing.
Utterly useless since r3
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 22:17
|
#197
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 477
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
The first draft was ridiculus imbalanced, compared to as it is now...
|
|
|
30 Sep 2014, 22:37
|
#198
|
NE
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 828
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
The original stats was awfull
|
I don't agree with that. They advocated forting yes but they weren't awful.
As it stands now, we're going to have about 50% of the universe 3 fleet attacking with Xan FI and mili hoarding.
There has been massive improvements in some areas but at the expense of others.
Put pegs init 4 and were back on track...
__________________
PEACE.
|
|
|
1 Oct 2014, 06:06
|
#199
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 707
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veil05
I don't agree with that. They advocated forting yes but they weren't awful.
As it stands now, we're going to have about 50% of the universe 3 fleet attacking with Xan FI and mili hoarding.
There has been massive improvements in some areas but at the expense of others.
Put pegs init 4 and were back on track...
|
Avenger > peg init 4.
Spectre > peg init 4.
BOOOHOOO GIVE TER ARMOR, INIT AND EFF'S ADVANTAGE SO I CAN JUST DO NOTHING ALL ROUND!
|
|
|
1 Oct 2014, 06:43
|
#200
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 957
|
Re: Stats - Round 59 and beyond
The bias is strong with this one.
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:50.
| |