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Unread 17 Mar 2004, 12:48   #1
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The Budget
The economist in me's favourite day of the year!

Any predictions of what's going to be in it? (T&f?!! )
What would you like to see in it?


I expect loophole to be closed (not a staggering claim I know), maybe the normal taxes like on cigarettes and beer, prolly not petrol though, and maybe an odd surprise.
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Unread 17 Mar 2004, 12:49   #2
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Re: The Budget
Knowing Gordon Brown and our current big deficit I'd say taxes are going up, up and awaaaayy!!!!!
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Re: The Budget
Erm...there's a small surplus or at least there will be this year (quite good growth this year)
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Re: The Budget
I shall not listen to your Brownesque lefty propaganda
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Re: The Budget
I am neither Brownesque nor definately lefty

I am however listenin to BBC2
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You lie!

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Unread 17 Mar 2004, 13:01   #7
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Re: The Budget
I predict some rubbish measure to try and remedy the housing market.

e.g. New banding of stamp duty, some other subsidies or something for key-worker, etc accomodation.
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Re: The Budget
Do you like Gordon T&F?
Is he a nice guy?
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Re: The Budget
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I predict some rubbish measure to try and remedy the housing market.

e.g. New banding of stamp duty, some other subsidies or something for key-worker, etc accomodation.
Winner at 12:41!!
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Re: The Budget
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Re: The Budget
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Gordon Brown is a bit shy, Jack Straw is very nice, David Blunkett is an utter twat.
Pretty much what I'd expect well maybe not so much with JS.

What bout old 2 jags JP? I bet he's quite funny - ie tells crap jokes!
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Re: The Budget
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must resist....
Yes Rag, I meant I am shaggin an economist :rollyeyes:
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Re: The Budget
Someone broke into my room last week and stole almost everything I owned but he just came back today and decided to return a bottle of shampoo and a tub of mayonaisse because he felt guilty about taking my TV and hifi and I was all like "o hay you are so nice :))))"
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Re: The Budget
Beer: up 1p a pint
Wine: 4p a bottle
Cigarettes: 8p (supposedly inflationary)
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Beer: up 1p a pint
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That's class war, that is. I wouldn't be surprised if he dons a flat cap, starts breeding whippets and saying 'eh up.' before the day is out.
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That's class war, that is. I wouldn't be surprised if he dons a flat cap, starts breeding whippets and saying 'eh up.' before the day is out.
But churches can reclaim all VAT!
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Cigarettes should be £15 a packet to help cover the cost of all the medical attention they will need because of their elective cancer habit
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We always win.


Not out on the street you dont - those tryin to sell The Socialist (or whatever it is) and get you to sign petitions just get shunned and rightly so - I just reply with "no thanks, I'm an economist" it sends them packin!
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Cigarettes should be £15 a packet to help cover the cost of all the medical attention they will need because of their elective cancer habit
Actually they shoud be £15 a packet so crack dealers can finally undercut those bastards at British American Tobacco.
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whats that then?
and am i one of them?
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whats that then? and am i one of them?
I think Nodrog is referring to socialised medicene. In a system where we all pay for each others healthcare (basically) there is incentive to support authotarian policies (e.g. banning smoking) . Or he could have just generally meant taxes = socialism = death or somesuch.
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whats that then?
and am i one of them?
I dunno, you sound like it

Do you desperately crave control over the lives of others and see things like national health care as a good way to help achieve it?
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Do you desperately crave control over the lives of others and see things like national health care as a good way to help achieve it?
I only crave control over pretty young girls, and even then only in a hand-cuffs and wire coat-hanger context. Does that count?
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I dunno, you sound like it

Do you desperately crave control over the lives of others and see things like national health care as a good way to help achieve it?
i dont desperately crave control over anyone
i just think that i shouldnt be paying to help someone who chooses to make themselves ill
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i dont desperately crave control over anyone
i just think that i shouldnt be paying to help someone who chooses to make themselves ill
I dont think I should be paying to help someone who got gastroesophageal reflux. You win some you lose some.
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I dont think I should be paying to help someone who got gastroesophageal reflux. You win some you lose some.
Surely you would if you had private medical insurance though?
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I dont think I should be paying to help someone who got gastroesophageal reflux. You win some you lose some.
why dont you think you should be helping them?
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The tax they pay on cigarettes more than covers the cost of smoking related diseases. Plus they die younger, hurrah for smokers.
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why dont you think you should be helping them?
Because I dont want to?
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How does gastroesophageal reflux stop them from working. For that matter, how does the guy at a building we do work at not be to work at all because he has aids but can go out all night and pound other guys. Yet, I am stuck paying for his lifestyle through Social Security.
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How does gastroesophageal reflux stop them from working.
Well, it doesn't but that's not really related to the NHS. If anything the NHS increases the average fitness of the workforce.
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What if their lazy mother****ers and stay home all day. What money do they put into the system then.
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The tax they pay on cigarettes more than covers the cost of smoking related diseases. Plus they die younger, hurrah for smokers.
yes, thats what sir humphrey said! so it must be true.

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Many people's illnesses are self inflicted though. What about peopel who fall over, why should I pay for their x-rays. What about old people, why should I pay if they choose to live too long, what about peopel with Cancer, what about maternity wards, why should I pay for you to have a kid?

We pay for the health service because ultimately the knowledge that if we were to become ill or be injured we would be taken care of is worth more than just the cost of the treatment.
What about lazy mofos that don't work.
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Not out on the street you dont - those tryin to sell The Socialist (or whatever it is) and get you to sign petitions just get shunned and rightly so - I just reply with "no thanks, I'm an economist" it sends them packin!
thats the big issue you donut
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I make $$$ and add to our GDP and spend $$$ raising the GDP more which help's our consumer based economy instead being a negative cashflow.

Also, **** the unemployed. If they want a job they can get it. Even if it means working temporaly at some crappy fast food joint.

People should not be getting more out of the goverment then what they put in.

As for Children, I support CHIP
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according to the BBC's budget calculator i am going to be 48p a week better off!
yey me!
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That made me laugh a lot
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I was at the hopsital today. Thanks for your support Nod.
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What? You actually make dollars, so you work at the federal reserve then?

Working in a fast food restaurant doesn't provide a living wage in the US as I understand it? Also presumably there are short term unemployed, should they not have a little time to find a job?

Peopel are more than just units of production. i realise that your only purpose in life is to shoulder the burden of American economic statistics, but other people have other priorities.
That is why I said temporary, you know. Till you found a better paying job.

When my father and mother first got married my Dad worked 3 jobs to stay off welfare for the first 2 years.

Yes, I do make $$$ because the paper is just paper. Its the GDP (my work output) that makes it worth something.
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instead being a negative cashflow.
How can you be a negative cashflow (to a country)?

Do poor people import more goods than the rich?
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Re: The Budget
The 'self-inflicted' split doesnt really work in practice, since you could convincingly argue that a lot of 'illnesses' are actually self-inflicted, whether directly or indirectly.

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We pay for the health service because ultimately the knowledge that if we were to become ill or be injured we would be taken care of is worth more than just the cost of the treatment.
No, 'we' pay for the health service because 'we' would be sent to jail if 'we' didnt.
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Re: The Budget
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YES but what do you do, is your work vital to the American economy?
Why is this relevant? You keep repeating it like youre attempting to make a profound point or something.
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No, 'we' pay for the health service because 'we' would be sent to jail if 'we' didnt.
I wouldn't even say that's true. We don't even get a faux choice. Aside from council tax, it's almost impossible for me to avoid paying taxes. It's taken from my pay before I ever see it, and VAT is charged on any relevent goods with or without my consent.
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So you are saying that people are unwilling to pay for the health service?
yes
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It takes time to find a good job, for starters you have to fill out the application forms, some of them practically ask for your life's story. Also there are interviews to go to and preparations to be made. Many of the une,mployed won't have access to the internet from home so it is harder and more time consuming to search for jobs.

So you are saying your dad had to work really hard just so he wouldn't have t accept assistance. Soemtimes one fo the hardest things to do is ask for help. Maybe your dad should have spent a bit less time working and a bit more time teaching you to have compassion for those less fortunate or able than youself.

YES but what do you do, is your work vital to the American economy?
If I stop working and collect welfare and unemployment I not only lower (marginally) the GDP but I will also be another negative cash flow.

It does take time to find a good job, that is why you get two jobs if you have to till you find a better one. Asking for help would be going to the local church foodbank.
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