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Monroe · 13 Jul 2006, 18:54

First off I would like to say that I generally applaud the efforts of the stats crew and I will be the first to acknowledge the difficulties in creating balanced stats, however this one I couldn't overlook. When you look at costs of harpies versus other FI they are extremely expensive, but when you compare them to other races CO they are actually about on par resources wise. If the stats crew are going to make a FI that is MORE expensive then some CO why bother calling it a FI? Just make it a CO and get it over with. If it is supposed to really be a FI make it at least close in cost to the spider. If the objection is then to it's armour/damage ratios then just decrease them in the future, don't make a FI so expensive relative to its counterparts.

Harpy Fighter 1300 1000 1000
Spider Fighter 650 900 650
Vsharrak Fighter 360 360 360
Corsair Fighter 450 450 600

Harpy CORVETTE 1300 1000 1000
Beetle Corvette 1800 2400 1800
Arrowhead Corvette 1000 1000 1000
Thief Corvette 1500 1500 2000

jt25man · 13 Jul 2006, 19:09

This is why the Harpy Costs more than other Fighters, because of the heavier Armour, making them tougher to kill off.

Name Class Armour Damage
Harpy Fighter 19 12
Spider Fighter 9 14
Phantom Fighter 3 4
Vsharrak Fighter 4 5

K-W · 13 Jul 2006, 19:29

The harpy is a heavy fighter.

Monroe · 13 Jul 2006, 19:29

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Originally Posted by jt25man

This is why the Harpy Costs more than other Fighters, because of the heavier Armour, making them tougher to kill off.

I understand why they cost more, I'm not objecting to that necessarily. I'm just commenting that at their current cost values they look an aweful lot like corvettes, not FI. If you want to make them cheaper lowering their armour and damage make sense to balance the increased numbers of them.

Cannon_Fodder · 13 Jul 2006, 19:36

They look like numbers dude, not corvettes.

Also apply your logic to terran BS:

Oh my gawd they're so much more expensive than every other race's BS, get it over with and make them superduperwtfpwnship class.

In conclusion, the harpy is a terran fighter.

Gate · 13 Jul 2006, 19:52

A description that was on a planetarion page a few rounds ago with regards to terran, was something along the line of how they had the most advanced military technology, as that is where the majority of terran research was based (whilst caths piss around being all cultural and shit).

If you prefer, you could just imagine the extra resources being quantitative of the extra cost required to build such high tech machinery. Perhaps the metal used is a particular isotope and normal metal has to be refined in order to get a purer sample to make tougher terran armour out of... if you really must think of it logically, that is.

I quite like thinking of it this way.

K-W · 13 Jul 2006, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Gate

A description that was on a planetarion page a few rounds ago with regards to terran, was something along the line of how they had the most advanced military technology, as that is where the majority of terran research was based (whilst caths piss around being all cultural and shit).

If you prefer, you could just imagine the extra resources being quantitative of the extra cost required to build such high tech machinery. Perhaps the metal used is a particular isotope and normal metal has to be refined in order to get a purer sample to make tougher terran armour out of... if you really must think of it logically, that is.

I quite like thinking of it this way.

Unfortunately the Terran scientists and all thier fancy labs and factories didnt realize that harpies wouldnt be coming under much fire this round and thus the high armor cost is really a drawback.

Thats the problem with the Terran military industrial complex. So much of the Terran economy revolves around the military that it just becomes a game of creating the largest possible defence contracts and that leads to boondoggles like the Harpy.

Gate · 14 Jul 2006, 00:09

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Originally Posted by K-W

Thats the problem with the Terran military industrial complex. So much of the Terran economy revolves around the military that it just becomes a game of creating the largest possible defence contracts and that leads to boondoggles like the Harpy.

Yes, exactly.

EDIT: Thankyou so much for leading me to understand the real meaning of the word boondoggle. You are a great person. <3

coffee- · 14 Jul 2006, 05:57

I was hoping this would be a thread about someone finding a weird flaw in the game, where anti-co fires on harpies for some reason. Instead he is someone complaining his terran ships are to expensive.

noah02 · 14 Jul 2006, 09:21

Why have no FI ?
its all about the targetting.

Ultimate Newbie · 18 Jul 2006, 08:43

Just because Harpies are expensive doesnt mean that they should be made CO class - the first thing that springs to mind is that Harpies will attract anti CO fire that they didnt attract before, and that sending anti FI against a Terran is largely pointless.

Harpies are a more expensive Fighter. This is in line with most other Terran ships which are significantly more expensive than their rival race's ships, for the same class. This is balanced, stat-wise, by increases in armour and firepower of each ship. The most important difference, though, is that using Terran ships to flak out other ships by swarming them is not very cost efficient - something that you would loose if you made all their ships cost roughly the same...

Thus.

Makhil · 18 Jul 2006, 09:30

a Ferrari and a Citroen are both cars (and terran), yet they don't cost the same

noah02 · 18 Jul 2006, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Makhil

a Ferrari and a Citroen are both cars (and terran), yet they don't cost the same

A cake in Marks and spencers costs about £20 and tescos value cost 50p :P
Xan is like the tesco value version of ships. Cheap as hell.

aestuos · 18 Jul 2006, 11:47

I guess if were going to reduce the cost of harpys lets make their BS less expensive as well as they are to expensive.

Makhil · 18 Jul 2006, 12:01

if you want cheap BS go to Tesco Lotus

Stoom · 19 Jul 2006, 23:00

I'd go with the brilliant terran economy style explanation from K-W tbh.

Exode · 20 Jul 2006, 10:58

So the terrans are the Americans and the xans are the Soviets during the cold war :P?

JonnyBGood · 20 Jul 2006, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Exode

So the terrans are the Americans and the xans are the Soviets during the cold war :P?

No, the soviets are more like the ziks. They had to steal all their best technology and they have this massively oversized but entirely useless military machine.

Exode · 20 Jul 2006, 12:17

Indeed.... North Korea are the xans then, with their cheap nuclear weapons and sucky old age guns :P?

JonnyBGood · 20 Jul 2006, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Exode

Indeed.... North Korea are the xans then, with their cheap nuclear weapons and sucky old age guns :P?

Well, we'll have to see about the tendency to fire first I guess

Incidentally the cathaar are the swiss. They're efficient and always end up on top of the wealth rankings but good luck trying to win a war with them.

Mighteh · 20 Jul 2006, 14:40

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Well, we'll have to see about the tendency to fire first I guess

Incidentally the cathaar are the swiss. They're efficient and always end up on top of the wealth rankings but good luck trying to win a war with them.

That would make ziks... hmm...
Arabs ?
With half of their military technology based around reverse engineering others, and other half is actually "aquired" from military machines of other countries. Includint other arab states (i been stealing off of Ziks alot lately

)
Making Terr US ? With military branch draining economy of an entire state, with losses expensive but not unexpected. And after every major conflict draining every finance of the country in an attempt to build better bigger guns, to go back out there and, hopefully, loose less this time around. ?
Making it very dependable on heavely agressive international policies ?

Maybe i am just rambling. I am bored.