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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:01   #1
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An apology

In response to this thread, I am now feeling a lot of guilt towards all the foreign types us English types have oppressed over the years in order that us decent people can drink gin & tonics and shoot wild animals.

So, if all the non-English people would like to post here with their greivances, I'll do my best to explain and if it appears we are in the wrong, I'll formally apologise. I hope this will be a healing exercise, and that other proper, upstanding, decent Englishmen will take this opportunity to say sorry old chap to anyone who feels hard done by by the whole 'empire' thing or is just jealous that we were so clever and did it first.

So, to get the ball rolling.

Spain - Sorry we kicked your arse back in 1588 when you tried to invade, and again when you had a go with the French in 1805. It's not yoru fault you're about as good at sailing as a Tibetan monk, we thought you'd realised the first time.
Think of it as a lesson learned, lets face it, you haven't tried since, so I guess we helped you on that score, right?

Anyway, SORRY
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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:08   #2
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Re: An apology

We (The Dutch) kicked your arses once didn't we? But you kicked our arses right back.
I'll apologise for kicking your arses back then but only if you apologise first for kicking our arses.
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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:10   #3
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Re: An apology

shutup dutchy. or we will come and kick your arses again.

we only apologise if we whooped you. and we apologise in a way that it still belittles you

so

im sorry we kicked your ass again and again and again. but apart from that im not sorry.

p.s. DM : is that right????
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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:12   #4
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Re: An apology

DM uses "we" because he was there

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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:13   #5
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Re: An apology

Ha... I just found out that we won a war from you! We even had a party in that little river of yours.
You silly tea-sipper.
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Re: An apology

"The Treaty of Breda was a blow to English prestige but proved in the long run to English advantage." being the key line there

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Re: An apology

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im sorry we kicked your ass again and again and again. but apart from that im not sorry.

p.s. DM : is that right????
Pretty much. Apologising for kicking arses is definitely going to make the world a better place, but apologise for bringing civilisation to places? **** that.

Ungrateful heathen scum.
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Re: An apology

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"The Treaty of Breda was a blow to English prestige but proved in the long run to English advantage." being the key line there

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Unread 19 Jan 2005, 20:19   #9
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Re: An apology

DM is the only one who can apologise with conviction because he was there and took part
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Re: An apology

Are we going to appoligise for the spice girls and anne robinson?
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i heard scotland got better football players than england

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Re: An apology

Well you do realise that this thread is just asking for is from an English lets-murder-the-world perspective.

Right then, Ireland. Let's see your justification for 900 years of slaughter then?
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Re: An apology

Thanks for giving us some 'civilisation' down here. Let us thank you by repeatedly beating you in every sport you were once good at.
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Re: An apology

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Well you do realise that this thread is just asking for is from an English lets-murder-the-world perspective.
I agree. Although, the no-you're-right-let's-apologise-for-all-our-bad-doings bit is funny. The justification bit is rubbish, unless it's a joke.
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Well you do realise that this thread is just asking for is from an English lets-murder-the-world perspective.

Right then, Ireland. Let's see your justification for 900 years of slaughter then?
It doesn't have to be justified, since no-one in the Western world was 'enlightened' at your reference point. War was accepted as being part of life, and the fact that we were better at it than you were is hardly our fault.

Now, can you justify the IRA and its actions in Great Britain?
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Right then, Ireland. Let's see your justification for 900 years of slaughter then?

Because they could and you weren't very good at stopping them?
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I'm sorry we sacrificed our empire in order to stop a far worse empire in Nazi Germany.
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I'm sorry we sacrificed our empire in order to stop a far worse empire in Nazi Germany.
oh, im not so sure, the british empire probably wasnt FAR better than the third reich.

but then, it depends on what you mean by 'better'
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Re: An apology

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Now, can you justify the IRA and its actions in Great Britain?
Though I would not attempt to justify those actions, consider the following:

Late in the 1960s a growing discontent emerged in Northern Ireland, which lead to a growth in support of Republican groups including the IRA and Sinn Fein in the north. Their grievances can be separated into three main categories:

1. At this time, this various voting districts of the six counties were gerrymandered or 'balkanised' to provide an unfair advantage to political groups advocating unionist policies. True political equality was not yet evident.

2. Discrimination against Catholics was staple across municipal institutions and state authorities. There existed great discrimination and segregation in access to housing, education and employment between Protestants and Catholics.

3. The Special Powers Act was being abused to extend its already repressive power.

As unrest surrounding these issues spread, the British government responded by deploying British soldiers in Belfast and Derry and introducing curfews in Republican areas. Protests such as the Derry march in 1968 are beaten off the streets by the RUC and loyalist paramilitaries.

In 1971 the British government then introduces a policy of internment without trial and Operation Demetrius, where hundreds of suspected Republican paramilitaries are taken from their homes during dawn raids. The lists of these internees, drawn up by RUC Special Branch, prove to be botched in nearly every aspect of their design - many of them had ceased to be active members of the IRA, while others had never been members of any organisation. 104 persons are released within 48 hours of their arrest, many having received brutal treatment at the hands of their captors. This policy continues to be used until Friday 5 December 1975. During this period a total of 1,981 people were detained; 1,874 were Catholic/Republican, while 107 were Protestant/Loyalist.

In Derry on the afternoon of Sunday 30th January 1972 some 20,000 people marched to protest against internment without trial. The march was prevented from entering the city centre by British troops, instead it moved to 'Free Derry Corner'. Some protestors threw stones at soldiers of the British Paratroop Regiment; these soldiers moved into Bogside in an arrest operation, killing 13 (mainly by single shots to the head and trunk) and injuring another 13 in a day remembered as 'Bloody Sunday'.

Also in 1972 Direct Rule is established by the British government and Sinn Fein leaders are flown to London to discuss peace with the British Secretary of State. The British army breaks its truce and invades Free Derry and various 'no go' areas in Belfast.

This kind of treatment continues up to the Belfast Agreement; if demand is there, I will chronicle it later. Certainly I wouldn't advocate the bombing of civilian targets, but is it any wonder British targets came under attack given that environment and a backdrop of several hundred years of oppression (including more recently British negligence and apathy toward the potato famine, the drafting of Irish troops during the first world war and their subsequent treatment, the lack of consultation of Northern Catholics during the Anglo-Irish agreement sealed the division of Ireland, the collusion between British security forces and Loyalist paramilitary groups, and so on)? Frankly, as someone who grew up in Belfast I am sickened by general British attitudes toward keeping the conflict locked up in Northern Ireland and the difference in the level in response by the British public, media and government between atrocities carried out in Northern Ireland and those on the mainland.

Of the three original grievances, none have been satisfactorily dealt with; though the area has been re-organised to end balkanisation, certain Republican political foundations are still being treated as second class parties and tainted by scandal regarding paramilitary activity, institutionalised racism certainly still exists and though the Special Powers have been repealed their place has been taken by other reforms - the British government (we presently don't have one of our own) continues to decide what is best for us.

PS. You are quite wrong to ask that a Southern Irishman justify the actions of the IRA, to use those actions to discredit the 'work' of the British in Ireland and to suggest that any wrongdoing on the British government's part was only done before 'western enlightenment' (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean).
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Re: An apology

Stop fagging up my thread with truth and historical accuracy. There's no room for it on GD.
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Re: An apology

I thought apologies were for when you were sorry. If all these countries had been any good they wouldn't have got their arses kicked.

Besides, they always beat us at footy and cricket (and every other sport invented) so it's all relative innit ?

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