Round 9, Stagnation and a possible solution.

[Kloopy]

As most of the Universe is aware, we're at a rather bad political state currently. We have two powerblocks controlling most of the universe and stealing every roid they can get their hands on. Even the less professional players must have heard of Weet and WolfPack and Eclipse etc.

Now, most people, in these blocks and out, want a solution to the problem. The people in the blocks want better targets and more fun, the people being hit every night want to be able to grow big again. People want to exile into organised gals and do well. But, as we know, this is prooving very difficult.

We do have one possible solution at the moment:
- We set an end date for round 9, say a couple or few weeks time.
- We then take the official round 9 winners and rankings.
- Then we shuffle the entire universe, splitting up gals. Basically, make the Universe totally random.
- We reset everyones planets and start round 9.5; A random round 9.

Now, I wont discuss the for and against arguments in this post. Thats for you to do, in this thread. I officially declare this open to public opinion. Please use the portal poll system to cast your vote (And please dont cheat to get multiple votes, lets be respectible) on http://portal.planetarion.com/

Kloopy

EDITs:

1) No, you wouldn't have to pay again if this plan went ahead
2) Yes, I think we could allow planet and ruler name changes for a couple of days before round 9.5 started.
3) Yes, we can look into allowing everyone to start with a certain number of roids or constructions/researches instead of the normal start we're used to.
4) Yes, we could add race change back in for a few days too.
5) Yes, I think we -could- increase the size of gals for round 9.5, if it happens.

[cypher]

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Terminator2003]

Originally posted by Kloopy
As most of the Universe is aware, we're at a rather bad political state currently. We have two powerblocks controlling most of the universe and stealing every roid they can get their hands on. Even the less professional players must have heard of Weet and WolfPack and Eclipse etc.

Now, most people, in these blocks and out, want a solution to the problem. The people in the blocks want better targets and more fun, the people being hit every night want to be able to grow big again. People want to exile into organised gals and do well. But, as we know, this is prooving very difficult.

We do have one possible solution at the moment:
- We set an end date for round 9, say a couple or few weeks time.
- We then take the official round 9 winners and rankings.
- Then we shuffle the entire universe, splitting up gals. Basically, make the Universe totally random.
- We reset everyones planets and start round 9.5; A random round 9.

Now, I wont discuss the for and against arguments in this post. Thats for you to do, in this thread. I officially declare this open to public opinion. Please use the portal poll system to cast your vote (And please dont cheat to get multiple votes, lets be respectible) on http://portal.planetarion.com/

Kloopy

Yes, I like the idea.

Give weet some time to 'do what they intend' to do, so they don't feel scr*wed over ofcourse. But, like the idea. Random rounds rock!

[Mit]

one small snag i can think of with this idea... if everyone keeps the same name, it'll be easy to use Tools to find out the new co-ords for bashing (granted we'll be more spread out thou). Other than that, i think ppl will be for the idea.

Lets just hope no-one fks up again with the powerblocks... yes u, HCs!

[Prince]

we could allow renaming again I supose that would fix that problem mit.

[2124]

Originally posted by Mit
one small snag i can think of with this idea... if everyone keeps the same name, it'll be easy to use Tools to find out the new co-ords for bashing (granted we'll be more spread out thou). Other than that, i think ppl will be for the idea.

Lets just hope no-one fks up again with the powerblocks... yes u, HCs!

Easy - enable changing of planet&rulername again

All for this, btw. had enough by now :\

[Mit]

Originally posted by Prince
we could allow renaming again I supose that would fix that problem mit.

ok, but make sure Fudge fixes the bit to do with CaSe in the names this time, and silly things like \t etc that bugger up the tools!

[LordBlackheart2000]

well that sucks I aint part of Weet, and i've worked my ass off to get to top 250, Well if you reset i can't be arsed to go through all the R&C again and the early stages of the round that i had very little sleep, which tbh i dont have the time to do any more.


So basically if you do reset I wont be back playing r9.5

Cupelix

[Howling]

Yeah good idea but instead of starting an entirely new round.. why not set all scores and roid levels the same after shuffle. and dispense with the 3 week res/const phase of the game. It takes too bloody long to start the round.

Give us all 21 roids and leave us with the res/consts done.

cheers

[Red_Guy]

LOL

i finally have millies ;/, but heh, maybe i'd play for real so go

[Morden]

do it ;-)

you'll make everyone happy

[-QS-]

Originally posted by Kloopy
As most of the Universe is aware, we're at a rather bad political state currently. We have two powerblocks controlling most of the universe

What is the 2nd?

But the idea r0x0r, IF u make it possible to change planet name secretly, so no1 can know who you where in Round 9.0

[Slinky]

Don't make it all random, allow private galaxies, see what the alliances do, basically give them an ultimatum, unless they play responsibly without blocking, round 10 will be random That should show em

[Baco]

Originally posted by Morden
do it ;-)

you'll make everyone happy

Yes!!! Plz do that!!

[Twiglet]

Kloopy m8, I like it.
Except one suggestion.
Can we please have larger gals?
10 players to one gal is simply not enough imo, perhaps up it to 15?
Oh yea and start the entire thing from the start, 3 roids, no con/res
This should give people a good chance to put their mistakes right.
You have my vote

[Gerbie]

Hmm, the question is would it work? Vommv is mostly intact. WEET can get back together, perhaps even with NaR, to try to stop VOMMV from taking revenge. This round we see powerblocks falling apart. Simply said: people realize their powerblocks don't lead to a fun round. Personally I want to see how this evolves.

I expect 98% of the PA players to want a reset though. So a reset seems like the only option. Too bad we will not know what could have been.

[Glimer]

do u think its usefull putting tis poll up cuz all small planets just wanna restart ... ofc more ppl will vote yes for ur idea then not... and i dunno about u ? but after r8 maybe OH maybe u should actually finish a round as u planned it on teh beginning and make sure that ppl get wut they paid for.when ppl paid in beginning for tis round they didn't pay for a random round they payed for a private round.if you do this its just another mistake in pa history oh well ... why would i care right just pointing it out.

thank you very much.


Regards Glimmer,

[Wishmaster]

A good idea:-)

Reset as soon as possible

[isildurx]

YES YES YES WTG P.A CREW!!!


I would love to have it all reset into a random uni.

BUT

Can we be able to change races and.

Can we start after protection or summat, con\res for 72ticks is teh suck :P

[Scouse]

Yes. But the alliances would have to agree to unally for it. And they wouldn't, imo.


So we'd just end up with another 3 weeks of game play then either WEET screaming that they've won 2 rounds, or someone else, say VVOMM, claiming that they won better than WEET won and so are better.


The best of course would be every alliance going solo, but WP and Ely simply won't. So that's a no go.

(I'm totally for the idea, just trying to be pessimistic, so everyone knows what to expect)

[Hathor]

Not interested one little bit. Hate random gals. I play to be with my friends.
I am not interested in starting fronm scratch either.
I don't know what the answer is but this one isn't to my liking that's for sure

[Scouse]

Originally posted by Glimer
do u think its usefull putting tis poll up cuz all small planets just wanna restart ... ofc more ppl will vote yes for ur idea then not... and i dunno about u ? but after r8 maybe OH maybe u should actually finish a round as u planned it on teh beginning and make sure that ppl get wut they paid for.when ppl paid in beginning for tis round they didn't pay for a random round they payed for a private round.if you do this its just another mistake in pa history oh well ... why would i care right just pointing it out.

thank you very much.


Regards Glimmer,

So, let me get this straight. You'd rather we have stagnation for months before round 10 instead of this idea?

[ComradeRob]

I think (we haven't discussed it fully yet) that Eclipse would support going solo for a 'r9b' - especially with random planets.

[Toop]

w00t!

yes! yes! oh god yes!

Can we have race change back as well?

[Lockhead]

I dont like it.

It also wont change the stagnation because it would take only a few days to find out who is in which block.

Then the hitting would start again.

Let the round develop itself, things will be changing.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
I think (we haven't discussed it fully yet) that Eclipse would support going solo for a 'r9b' - especially with random planets.

So would Titans.

[Petru]

Provides a nice easy, get out of jail free card for the Weet HCs who care only about AD reputation. ie, they now no longer have to find a way to turn on each other and can avoid being called backstabbers. As much as some people will want this, I find this as rewarding to the people doing the stagnating as those at the victim level.

[masterjw]

/me faps on kloopy :e_chick:

[cypher]

if my alliance will block in any way i'll quit them quite simple... and i'll find something else...

i sure as hell hope ALL alliance will actually think about the game for once and don't ally others... and that includes alliances like wp/ely who have been together since ages... no reason whatsoever to ally anyone.

[Morden]

Originally posted by Scouse
The best of course would be every alliance going solo, but WP and Ely simply won't. So that's a no go.

dunno about ely and pack staying together, you should be more concerned about eclipse and ely.

[Glimer]

its just a matter of time till war breaks d00d ... its been that in every round .... and tbh it will be in every round ;p u can't make the game more fun then it is.restarting wont do good. u know what would be good ? if u got more then 4k player in a game as this

but well,the money thing killed that great fun

[dsd]

sounds good to me.
full reset might be a bit mind-numbing- i quite like the idea of keeping res/con.

people will probably disagree with me here, i think a reset of score would be good to.
i also like the idea of setting everyone to a set number of roids.
this kinda ties in with the score-reset: if everyone was reset to a fixed number of roids but their fleet/score stayed the same, the people with the lower scores would get absolutely hammered initially.

in any case, with regard to the name change:
we should be able to CHOOSE a new name on the preferences screen, but this name change doesnt happen just yet.
then when the shuffle happens, not only are galaxies shuffled, but the planet names are changed too before the game goes back online.
would prevent any form of alliance-sniffing from searching of names (excluding the people who dont change..)

[PureviL]

maybe after the new war..

def. not before :\

[Mit]

Originally posted by cyphie
if my alliance will block in any way i'll quit them quite simple... and i'll find something else...

i sure as hell hope ALL alliance will actually think about the game for once and don't ally others... and that includes alliances like wp/ely who have been together since ages... no reason whatsoever to ally anyone.

but, one of the main reasons powerblocking exists is to try and guarentee a win... so its not just gonna disappear, unfortunately.

[Prince]

Originally posted by Howling


Give us all 21 roids and leave us with the res/consts done.

I like

[Goatie2k1]

Give round 9.5 half hour ticks and I'm there!!

[MadeMan]

would make it more fun, because now its boring!!

i vote YEES

[Neferti]

Originally posted by LordBlackheart2000
well that sucks I aint part of Weet, and i've worked my ass off to get to top 250, Well if you reset i can't be arsed to go through all the R&C again and the early stages of the round that i had very little sleep, which tbh i dont have the time to do any more.


So basically if you do reset I wont be back playing r9.5

Cupelix

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at least you're in a protected galaxy, i didn't even get that and i don't want this... otherwise, agreed.

[Petru]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
I think (we haven't discussed it fully yet) that Eclipse would support going solo for a 'r9b' - especially with random planets.

So would we as far as I know, I'm pretty sure of it. We loved r8, heh, none of that political ****e to worry about.

But as Scouse stated, you just KNOW one of the lesser alliances, ie Wolfpack/Ely, or probably FaNG again would pair up/block up someone.

[r72dk]

Originally posted by Petru
Provides a nice easy, get out of jail free card for the Weet HCs who care only about AD reputation. ie, they now no longer have to find a way to turn on each other and can avoid being called backstabbers. As much as some people will want this, I find this as rewarding to the people doing the stagnating as those at the victim level.

Agreed and ..... isnt it a bit "low" when the creators themselves have to interfere with the game itself Directly ??

I mean, doesnt it unveil that THERE ARE other problems in the game itself than this stagnation effect ?

Perhaps some ppl shuold take a long break and give it a thought.

[cypher]

i think you should make everything start from scratch tho... else you give certain races such an advantage... the only way to really play a xan planet is the advantage at the start... you can't take that away from them (p.s. i'm zik but don't want such advantages)

and if kloopy let's it continue for several weeks the current hc's would still have to make changes for this round... unless well heh

i'd prefer it to be resetted within a week now or something..

[Ston3D]

YEEEEEEEES

[waassaa]

yes reset

but talk to the block/alliance HC's too.
As someone pointed out "we paid for a priv. gal round" and at least give the alliances the chance to sort out the bad political moves of this round, maybe priv. gals but pure alliance gals.
Ofc this is dependent on alliance HC's doing the "fair" thing.
I would be prepared to try to enforce that.

And yes, name change is a must.

I more thing, pls don't start at 3 roids 0 res/con. its so boring.
start at least with more roids and some rc done (use quests to decide where). so we can get back to fighting quicker.

[Ariados]

The idea is absolutely brilliant Kloopy

[Sad]

Originally posted by Scouse
Yes. But the alliances would have to agree to unally for it. And they wouldn't, imo.


So we'd just end up with another 3 weeks of game play then either WEET screaming that they've won 2 rounds, or someone else, say VVOMM, claiming that they won better than WEET won and so are better.


The best of course would be every alliance going solo, but WP and Ely simply won't. So that's a no go.

(I'm totally for the idea, just trying to be pessimistic, so everyone knows what to expect)

Mark this post for "I said so" after we finish r9b if there is one

Originally posted by Glimer
do u think its usefull putting tis poll up cuz all small planets just wanna restart ... ofc more ppl will vote yes for ur idea then not... and i dunno about u ? but after r8 maybe OH maybe u should actually finish a round as u planned it on teh beginning and make sure that ppl get wut they paid for.when ppl paid in beginning for tis round they didn't pay for a random round they payed for a private round.if you do this its just another mistake in pa history oh well ... why would i care right just pointing it out.

thank you very much.


Regards Glimmer,

80% of Paying people are up for the reset/random gals thing.

Originally posted by cyphie
if my alliance will block in any way i'll quit them quite simple... and i'll find something else...

i sure as hell hope ALL alliance will actually think about the game for once and don't ally others... and that includes alliances like wp/ely who have been together since ages... no reason whatsoever to ally anyone.

I support u in going solo.
Wp ely arent as they were now Ely took Eclipse over Pack.

Originally posted by Hathor
Not interested one little bit. Hate random gals. I play to be with my friends.
I am not interested in starting fronm scratch either.
I don't know what the answer is but this one isn't to my liking that's for sure

Expected Reply.

[MadeMan]

Originally posted by waassaa
yes reset

but talk to the block/alliance HC's too.
As someone pointed out "we paid for a priv. gal round" and at least give the alliances the chance to sort out the bad political moves of this round, maybe priv. gals but pure alliance gals.
Ofc this is dependent on alliance HC's doing the "fair" thing.
I would be prepared to try to enforce that.

And yes, name change is a must.

I more thing, pls don't start at 3 roids 0 res/con. its so boring.
start at least with more roids and some rc done (use quests to decide where). so we can get back to fighting quicker.

dont follow the quests, as i dont want pds before speed and ships

[lrytas]

GOOD GOOD
Tired covering 2 waves a day, want people to cover mine now
________
Marijuana vaporizer

[Faberius]

yes, to any change.

[genosse27]

just do anything!

i would like to see eclipse bashed 1st, but a complete shuffle is nice too.
just take current planets and put them randomly together with others.
but u have to take care that the name changings happens exatly at the same time like the shuffle. else the name changings can be tracked very easily

[kyrealean]

reset is fine with me.....

this round is ****e, the powerblocking made it ****e......

alliances this is your chance to prove u can go it alone or with 1 decent ally.....


as for me personally.. random round, i would like to change race.