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Unread 24 Oct 2005, 22:59   #1
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[Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/051024/4/eja8.html

The short list:

Adriano (Inter Milan)
Michael Ballack (Bayern Munich)
David Beckham (Real Madrid)
Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus)
Mauro Camoranesi (Juventus)
Fabio Cannavaro (Juventus)
Jamie Carragher (Liverpool)
Petr Cech (Chelsea)
Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan)
Gregory Coupet (Lyon)
Cris (Lyon)
Deco (Barcelona)
Dida (AC Milan)
Didier Drogba (Chelsea)
Emerson (Juventus)
Michael Essien (Chelsea)
Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)
Luis Figo (Inter Milan)
Diego Forlan (Villarreal)
Luis Garcia (Liverpool)
Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus)
Juninho (Lyon)
Kaka (AC Milan)
Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
Roy Makaay (Bayern Munich)
Claude Makelele (Chelsea)
Paolo Maldini (AC Milan)
Pavel Nedved (Juventus)
Michael Owen (Newcastle)
Park Ji-Sung (Manchester United)
Andrea Pirlo (AC Milan)
Raul (Real Madrid)
Juan Roman Riquelme (Villarreal)
Arjen Robben (Chelsea)
Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid)
Robinho (Real Madrid)
Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
Ronaldo (Real Madrid)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United)
Wayne Rooney (Manchester United)
John Terry (Chelsea)
Lilian Thuram (Juventus)
David Trezeguet (Juventus)
Marc van Bommel (Barcelona)
Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United)
Patrick Vieira (Juventus)
Xavi (Barcelona)
Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid)


I think it'll be Gerrard.

What do you think?
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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Adriano (Inter Milan, Brazil)
Michael Ballack (Bayern Munich, Germany)
David Beckham (Real Madrid, England)
Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus, Italy)
Cafu (AC Milan, Brazil)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United, Portugal)
Deco (FC Barcelona, Portugal),
Didier Drogba (Chelsea, Ivory Coast)
Michael Essien (Chelsea, Ghana)
Samuel Eto'o (FC Barcelona, Cameroon),
Steven Gerrard (Liverpool, England)
Thierry Henry (Arsenal, France),
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus, Sweden)
Kaka (AC Milan, Brazil)
Frank Lampard (Chelsea, England)
Paolo Maldini (AC Milan, Italy)
Pavel Nedved (Juventus, Czech Republic)
Alessandro Nesta (AC Milan, Italy)
Jay-Jay Okocha (Bolton, Nigeria)
Raul Gonzalez (Real Madrid, Spain)
Juan Roman Riquelme (Villarreal, Argentina)
Arjen Robben (Chelsea, Netherlands)
Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid, Brazil)
Robinho (Real Madrid, Brazil)
Ronaldinho (Barcelona, Brazil)
Ronaldo (Real Madrid, Brazil)
Wayne Rooney (Manchester United, England)
Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan, Ukraine)
Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United, Netherlands)
Zidane Zinedine (Real Madrid, France)
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
All the best players in the world play in the European continent.

You'd hardly find some playing outside of Europe being mentioned in the shortlist.
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All the best players in the world play in the European continent.

You'd hardly find some playing outside of Europe being mentioned in the shortlist.
how can you tell?
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how can you tell?
Because the best players on every even vaguely meaingful national team play in Europe?
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Because the best players on every even vaguely meaingful national team play in Europe?
do you watch southern-american football?
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do you watch southern-american football?
Not really but I assume the coaches of brazil and argentina manage to catch the occasional game.
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do you watch southern-american football?
Given that most Argentinian and Brazilian fooltball clubs, let alone other country's in that region, are in financial dire straits, and that they HAVE to sell for all intents and purposes, then watching SA football isn't really necessary.

You may miss out on the early years of someone like Carlos Tevez, but they'll move to Europe soon enough.
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
probably Kaka or Ronaldinho.
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Adriano for me.
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
2005 BALLON D'OR RESULTS

1. Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
2. Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
3. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
4. Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
5. Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan)
6. Paolo Maldini (AC Milan)
7. Adriano (Inter Milan)
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus)
9. Kaka (AC Milan)
10. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
What does henry have to do to win it?
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What does henry have to do to win it?
because, right enough, scoring 25 goals is infinitely more skillful than scoring fifteen and setting up fifty.
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I wouldnt have given it to Henry over Lampard this year either.
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I wouldnt have given it to Henry over Lampard this year either.
But I'd give it to Gerrard over Lampard this year though.

I hope he wins the BBC Sports Personality of the Year.
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But I'd give it to Gerrard over Lampard this year though.

I hope he wins the BBC Sports Personality of the Year.
It will be Flintoff.
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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But I'd give it to Gerrard over Lampard this year though.
Lampard has been a model of consistency, whereas Gerrard has just phased out of a lot of games.
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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He could stop staring into the void like a ****ing semi-god after every damn goal for starters.
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
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Lampard has been a model of consistency, whereas Gerrard has just phased out of a lot of games.
True but I don't think Lampard would be able to turn a mediocre team into European champions. Obviously Liverpool (you could say) won the tournament through luck but he does drag his team to win matches.

Only Gerrard was able to show that last season. Whereas Lampard, he's surrounded by 10 other top quality players and outshines them.
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Lampard has been a model of consistency, whereas Gerrard has just phased out of a lot of games.
true, but Gerrard won the CL-final almost singlehanded. i don't think many players ever played a final like he did. for that achievement only i'd nominate him tbh, without looking to the rest of the season where other players may have performed way better (Lampard, Deco, Kaka etc).
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Re: [Football] Ball d'Or (European Footballer of the Year)
If Deco won the european footballer of the year award I think I'd give up watching football.
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If Deco won the european footballer of the year award I think I'd give up watching football.
as if you've seen Barcelona play any match at all to begin with, except for some random summarised TV-report of a CL match maybe.
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as if you've seen Barcelona play any match at all to begin with, except for some random summarised TV-report of a CL match maybe.
Recently I've seen the madrid game, the santander game, the osasuna game, the sociedad game and the werder bremen game. I also saw most of the panathainakos game at the nou camp, the whole of the depor game earlier this year and the valencia game. Barcelona are the one football team I literally go out of my way to watch. Kindly **** off back to watching az alkamaar please.
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Recently I've seen the madrid game, the santander game, the osasuna game, the sociedad game and the werder bremen game. I also saw most of the panathainakos game at the nou camp, the whole of the depor game earlier this year and the valencia game. Barcelona are the one football team I literally go out of my way to watch. Kindly **** off back to watching az alkamaar please.
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Stop making stupid presumptions based on inadequate information.
He can't, that's what all dutch people do!
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schtop schtop!

this presumption! it's not ready yet!
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that's a shite state of afairs to be in.


Anyway, Ronaldinho deserves it.
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