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Unread 25 Apr 2004, 18:51   #1
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What are FAnG famous for?

For having planets closed every round.

I should submit that to the Newsletter humour section.

gg FAnG, keep up the tradition.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

It's funny because it's true.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

Poor Abe.

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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

You should know (from having a command position in many rounds) that having planets in an alliance who are dodgy, and have been deleted, is not the alliance/command's fault, Zhil.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

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You should know (from having a command position in many rounds) that having planets in an alliance who are dodgy, and have been deleted, is not the alliance/command's fault, Zhil.
How many planets did Irvine have last round?
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You should know (from having a command position in many rounds) that having planets in an alliance who are dodgy, and have been deleted, is not the alliance/command's fault, Zhil.
Oh I know.

But you must also know that FAnG seem to have this 'issue' every round.
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You should know (from having a command position in many rounds) that having planets in an alliance who are dodgy, and have been deleted, is not the alliance/command's fault, Zhil.
It is when the command is aware of them, takes no action to prevent them from cheating and even promotes and encourages it (or so I hear).
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How many planets did Irvine have last round?
Irvine was Ely last round though, not FAnG...



Aren't you Ely? :/
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Irvine was Ely last round though, not FAnG...
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No he wasn't.
So he didn't move to Elysium about two-thirds of the way through the round, along with a fair few other FAnG members?

Who are you trying to kid?
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So he didn't move to Elysium about two-thirds of the way through the round, along with a fair few other FAnG members?
Nope.

Irvine never had Elysium membership on the grounds
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I like Irvine :-)
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What happened that noobs like are too far out of the loop to know about?

AND

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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

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Nope.

Irvine never had Elysium membership on the grounds
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I liked him, he was cheating scum but i liked him nevertheless, a fair number of Fang went to Ely, yes (cough) but not him
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You should know (from having a command position in many rounds) that having planets in an alliance who are dodgy, and have been deleted, is not the alliance/command's fault, Zhil.
Having people daft enough to get caught certainly is the responsibility of command though.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

hurray 2 out of the 100 cheaters caught...(no those other 98 arent fang, thats not what i mean)
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

FAnG is not the only alliance with cheaters caught.

One of the 2 closed planets today is Phraktos.

Since this is Phraktos first round, they have a perfect record as well.

I would wait for a Phraktos HC to comment on, what they will do in this issue, but oh wait, Phraktos have no active HC.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

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Yes he cheated.

there is NO doubt about this, he is cheating scum and shouldnt be allowed a planet again.

For the record, it was a fang officer(ME), who reported him, and he is bang to rights. I would say him giving a fleet anylisis scan on a planet who is offline is pretty conclusive.
Since he was closed, he has proceeded to spam me with files thru irc that are highly illegal, (or named thru things illegal), and is not the kind of player we want in pa.

He also claims (proven to be lies) to of killed fury servers to the price of £1200 in r7, and killed pa servers in 77 for 3 days.

FAnG distance oursleves form scum like him, and hope that pa starts realising players like this should be sent away from the game and never allowed to return.

Abe, YOU ARE SCUM SO FK OFF.

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Fang in kicking scum shocker.

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Looks to me like Forest is about to declare war on FAnG soon
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

Heh, it's funny.
FAnG get flamed for having a member of theirs being kicked.

Then they justify it - tell you it was themselves that reported it, and it wasn't anything the HC or command knew about, and yet you still try to make an excuse for flaming them? You should learn to stop pointing fingers when you have no leg to stand on.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

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Heh, it's funny.
FAnG get flamed for having a member of theirs being kicked.

Then they justify it - tell you it was themselves that reported it, and it wasn't anything the HC or command knew about, and yet you still try to make an excuse for flaming them? You should learn to stop pointing fingers when you have no leg to stand on.
They accept the cheaters in the first place, and many people will have lost and not gained roids because of these people who have cheated. The damage has been done, kicking them now means nothing, they've already won.
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[00:30:39] Session Ident: Kjeldoran ([email protected])
[00:30:39] <Kjeldoran> btw
[00:30:43] <Kjeldoran> just fyi
[00:31:01] <Kjeldoran> Touriquet is a cheater and has admitted in several pm's with pple that he's playing 2 accounts
[00:31:17] <Kjeldoran> I heared you recruited him into Ely
[00:31:17] <Kjeldoran> I'm just helping
[00:31:26] <Kjeldoran> you don't want known cheaters to ruin your alliance rep m8
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They accept the cheaters in the first place, and many people will have lost and not gained roids because of these people who have cheated. The damage has been done, kicking them now means nothing, they've already won.
And how did we know Abe was a cheater? Im not going to get deeply into internal politics, but I interviewed Abe when he was applying to Fang, then investigated his claims. No one I asked gave me any kind of indication he has ever cheated. Here is an excerpt of Abes interview. (This is the same process all new members go through)

10:49] <behe|busy> Any answers found to be false will be grounds for immediate dismissal
[10:49] <behe|busy> from Fang
[10:49] <Abe>
[10:49] <Abe> ok

[10:53] <behe|busy> Has PA ever closed your acct before?
[10:54] <Abe> yea, but reopened
[10:54] <Abe> in round 5 i think
[10:54] <behe|busy> So youve never cheated?
[10:55] <Abe> no, i never cheat

[11:11] <behe|busy> have you ever been kicked out of an alliance?
[11:11] <Abe> yes
[11:11] <behe|busy> why?
[11:12] <Abe> Because my gal was Eclipse/Tot
[11:12] <Abe> and I was in WP ...
[11:12] <behe|busy> ahh
[11:12] <Abe> in beggining of r9

Yes I know people can lie, but we do fully investigate what they claim. Weve had numerous applicants not be accepted because they were caught in lies and have kicked members after their acceptance because they were found to have lied in there initial interview. So please dont question the whole of Fangs integrity due to a few and far between black marks withinh the alliance.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

It happens too often to be soon as a coincidence.

And you also have (had) Touri and Irvine, both known cheats.
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They accept the cheaters in the first place, and many people will have lost and not gained roids because of these people who have cheated. The damage has been done, kicking them now means nothing, they've already won.

All alliances have cheats.

I am trying to to my best to rectify this.

i wont promise to make it all ok, cause i cant, but i sure as hell will do best to do so.

Maybe if all alliances took this stace, pa wouldnt be so full of cheats.
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This discussion is about Abe.You can go on and on in order to tarnish Fang , yet the fact is Fang actively trys to catch cheaters within the alliance. Case in point Abe was caught by Forest. And then reported. So I dont see where you come off taking some superior attitude. As the multi hunters will agree it is hard to catch some cheaters. All we can do is try our best and deal with it appropiately.
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[10:53] <behe|busy> Has PA ever closed your acct before?
[10:54] <Abe> yea, but reopened
[10:54] <Abe> in round 5 i think
[10:54] <behe|busy> So youve never cheated?
[10:55] <Abe> no, i never cheat

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<Abe> last time and only time Spinner closed my account PA was offline for 3 days

<Forest_afk> ahh so u openly threaten ppl ?
<Forest_afk> sweet
<Abe> nah
<Abe> it happened
<Abe> without threatening
<Abe> Fury had to pay 1200 pounds for a new server
<Abe> after they kicked Mano out
<Abe> in round 7 or 8
<Forest_afk> conversation over

<Abe> its simple
<Abe> if someone doesnt respect their word
<Abe> i just simple use other methods to punish
<Abe> i got a promise
<Abe> from phraktos
<Abe> and from fang
<Abe> no threats no nothing.. they just promised
<Abe> now ... if something happends... what do u think i should do ?
<Abe> aplause of the low selfesteem those guys have ?
<Abe> nah
<Abe> i strike back

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This discussion is about Abe.You can go on and on in order to tarnish Fang , yet the fact is Fang actively trys to catch cheaters within the alliance. Case in point Abe was caught by Forest. And then reported. So I dont see where you come off taking some superior attitude. As the multi hunters will agree it is hard to catch some cheaters. All we can do is try our best and deal with it appropiately.
well, from the thread I've been reading, its about closed and cheating FAnGers.

Touri, Irvine, you have a response about them?
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

Do you have proof that they are cheating this round? If so, then please get it to us.
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heh. I don't. But they are both known cheaters. You can not dispute this. And you accepted them anyways.

No wonder people are not surprised when FAnGers are closed, given your current stance.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

Lol. This is a crazy thread. Here the question was posed "hey whats up with these closed planets?" And a clear answer was given. The planet mentioned was reported by its own alliance. Noone can catch every cheater, but the thing is when they do, it should be reported. If it isn't, thats where the problem is. It is funny, because this has been clearly explained, but yet, it doesn't seem to sink in to some of you. You are mentioning names of players, and basically trying to force them to be cheaters. You can't do that. I know it sucks to have a clean cut answer with really no possible way for you to say anything smart and flaming to it, but that doesn't mean snatch another name out of your arse and try to flame it. Sorry, FAnG's planet that was discovered was reported. Thats it. Anything else said is a futile attempt to express anger. If you wanna investigate. Go investigate your own alliance. And report back to AD with your findings.

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heh. I don't. But they are both known cheaters. You can not dispute this. And you accepted them anyways.

No wonder people are not surprised when FAnGers are closed, given your current stance.
Well tbh i know nothing of touri's past (nor did I have anything to do with his recruitment) so i really shouldnt speak of him at all. As id be speaking out of my arse. Irv on the other hand has been Fang for quite some time. Did he cheat last round? By all accounts, yes. Was he contrite/ ashamed about this? By all accounts yes. Does he cheat anymore? I honestly believe he has learned from his mistake. Should he still be in Fang? I believe due to all his 24/7 work in the alliance and his loyalty that yes, he should be given a second chance for his prior screw up. He lives and breathes for Fang and saw that his past actions tarnished both his and the alliances reputation.

Ill not get into pointing fingers etc etc. All ill say, is Fang does try to catch the cheaters within the alliance and try to keep known past cheaters out. Maybe we dont always succeed, but we do try.
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Re: What are FAnG famous for?

Hi Chika

You have totally missed my point. Irvine and Touri are known cheaters, from previous rounds. You accepted them as members, even though everyone knows they are cheaters. When your members get closed, are you surprised people jump to conclusions?
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