[Discuss] XP made proportional

[flikman]

As the XP debate continues, heres a suggestion.

Why not make the XP gained proportional to amount of fleet returning.

if 60% of ur fleet is killed, u only get 40% of the xp you would have gained.

[barney]

Originally Posted by flikman

As the XP debate continues, heres a suggestion.

Why not make the XP gained proportional to amount of fleet returning.

if 60% of ur fleet is killed, u only get 40% of the xp you would have gained.

im sure ive said that before, might have been in a pm but still imo is a good idea, however maybe not the AMOUNT of fleet returning but the proportortion of fleet returning. i.e you get more XP for 70% of a fleet coming back than you do for 20% coming back regardlees of the value of the actual fleet. think that is what you were suggesting

i get the feeling there is a gaping hole in this idea, but i cant quite put my finger on it, but im sure someone will

[Nadar]

Something else: These days when the round ends a planet with 20 mill score is damn huge. That's retarded imo, was much more fun when the biggest planets were several hundred millions in score Why not change it so you get more score per ship, roid, etc? I know the use of it is close to 0, but it simply is much 'cooler' to put it that way

[TheRat]

You are clearly not a coder/database designer :P

[Bashar]

I agree entirely with Nadar, seeing yourself slave away for days to gain a couple of hundred thousand score is..... demoralising.

As for the proportional XP issue, if you'd have asked me at the end of beta, I'd have jumped up and said yes, but after the full round, I am not so sure to be perfectly honest. When you are an underdog, it does give you a chance of landing an attack once in a while. I personally haven't had a successful attack for about 2 weeks now, do your idea and it would be a lot longer than that.

[TheRat]

Originally Posted by Bashar

I agree entirely with Nadar, seeing yourself slave away for days to gain a couple of hundred thousand score is..... demoralising.

Only because you have experienced something else. To new players who didnt see Singu get donated to billions, it doesnt matter if a great score is 20 mill or 1 bill.

[Bashar]

When I used to do support stuff for PA (many rounds ago, before current support system was devised), the "more ships", "bigger scores" and "more roids" issue was frequently brought up by new people. There was something satisfying about knowing that you'd just smacked someone down by 1 million score, now similar people can smack people down by 20-50k score. It doesn't have the same feel to it.

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by TheRat

You are clearly not a coder/database designer :P

I suggested this to Kal some rounds ago. He said it was just to raise the multiplier or whatever, but it was fully possible You're right though, I'm not a coder nor a databse designer, don't even have the slighest cluse about it.

Ofc, as you said, it doesn't mean shit to new players, but for those who's been around long enough to see the massive scores planets used to get it's a bit sad when the top planet is around 20 mill at end of round

At least this would bring back a little bit of the 'feeling' of what PA used to be

[Alki]

i smacked someone down 1mill yesterday do i get a cookie?

[jerome]

STOP.TRYING.TO.FIX.WHAT.IS.NOT.BROKEN.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by _ryzekiel_

STOP.TRYING.TO.FIX.WHAT.IS.NOT.BROKEN.

what jernub said^^
it balances out in the end does it not?

[flikman]

The idiots saying multiply score by 10 cos it looks cool have really missed the point of this thread, and maybe life itself.

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by flikman

The idiots saying multiply score by 10 cos it looks cool have really missed the point of this thread, and maybe life itself.

It's a fact that it looks better. My big penis looks better than your small penis.

[flikman]

So your score of

10000 compared to mine of 1000

looks better if its 100000 to 10000 ?

Maybe for a week until we realise that the scale is the same and get used to it.

Its like in havoc - ppl still see someone is twice as big even if the gap between them is 100times higher

[Nadar]

It looks better. I never said there were any use of it, but it simply looks better when the planets gets more score (as in the old days). I know the scale will be exactly the same and all that. But if you played r1 to r9.5 I'm sure you would understand.

[MAdnRisKy]

wonder if the intentions of this thread are because ziks don't like peons catching up with them?

[Makhil]

Losing ships in an attack is bad enough already, no need to add more misery.
Between people suiciding their fleets for high XP and zyks bashing small planets for free ships i wonder what's the worst.

[ChubbyChecker]

Less XP when you lose ships is not good idea.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

Less XP when you lose ships is not good idea.

It would discourage people from suiciding on Ziks so early in the round - thus making the Ziks more vulnerable for longer as there is less incentive to people to suicide on their stealers.

That was a stange thing about this round - ziks capped enough stuff so early that people werent attacking them as much as they should have, thus the zik 'problem' now.

[barney]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

It would discourage people from suiciding on Ziks so early in the round - thus making the Ziks more vulnerable for longer as there is less incentive to people to suicide on their stealers.

That was a stange thing about this round - ziks capped enough stuff so early that people werent attacking them as much as they should have, thus the zik 'problem' now.

and this is a bad thing???? atm ziks seam to be a little too invulnerable for my liking, maybe more disadvantaged to suiciding on them is warrented

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by barney

and this is a bad thing???? atm ziks seam to be a little too invulnerable for my liking, maybe more disadvantaged to suiciding on them is warrented

But suiciding on ziks is a good thing for them as they get access to different types of pods. Squishy scared me at the beginning of the round when he got his defenders to RECALL solely so his attackers WOULD land and he would cap their ships.

thus, making XP gain proportional means that less people would suicide on ziks --> ziks take longer to become stronger --> ziks are weaker --> this is a good thing, at least for all the non-ziks .

Having said that, this strange arcane outcome is the only positive i can see from the suggestion.

[barney]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

But suiciding on ziks is a good thing for them as they get access to different types of pods. Squishy scared me at the beginning of the round when he got his defenders to RECALL solely so his attackers WOULD land and he would cap their ships.

thus, making XP gain proportional means that less people would suicide on ziks --> ziks take longer to become stronger --> ziks are weaker --> this is a good thing, at least for all the non-ziks .

Having said that, this strange arcane outcome is the only positive i can see from the suggestion.

ahh ha no what i was trying to get at in an ass upwards way that encouraging this suicide on ziks ===> stronger ziks ===> nobody can attack them, they are already too strong this round imo without further encouragement to donate shippies to them

[Cochese]

The XP system is dubious enough without adding anything of this nature to it.

Losing 60% of your fleet is punishment enough; losing out on potential XP because of that as well, is over the top.

[Kal]

it does however rmake some sense that if u kill all your ships u shoudn't get as much XP - though my idea in the xp thread on development discussions would cover that.