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Unread 20 Dec 2002, 01:34   #1
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Odd Behaviour: FreeBSD 4.7 is ignorant!
I wasn't sure whether to duplicate the thread here, or just paste a link to an external forum, where I've asked for help with a FreeBSD problem I have.

http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/...&threadid=5318

Obviously they're dedicated BSD ppl, but just wondered if anybody here has an idea?

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2 guesses...

1. You have some sort of HDD (or other) power management enabled, disable it

2. You have too little RAM and Apache is being swapped out after being unused for a while and the timeout is too short for your box to swap it back in again without an error.

Either is possible but not necessarily likely...
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The box has 256mb RAM...

Mem: 15M Active, 174M Inact, 33M Wired, 5820K Cache, 35M Buf, 20M Free

And (as I describe in the link) I took steps to work out if it was power management related...



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Could it be memory related?

I've not had experience with apache, but I had something that sounds similar happen to the web proxy/cache I'm using here (squid). I kept on having my net connection cut out on me after using it for a while (like 6 hours or so) and couldn't for the life of me figure what was going on, as the modem was still connected and fine, and I could ping the machine with the proxy on it. The only way I could get it back was to reboot the proxy machine.

It eventually transpired that squid was running out of memory (the machine is only a P200 with 64Mb RAM) because I hadn't set a lower filesize limit for files entering the cache. Every time it used all the RAM up squid shut down, denying every machine connected to it the ability to use the connection.
Setting a lower limit of 4Kb fixed it as that stopped it getting cluttered up with all the tiny little files that come in from various places.

Is it possible that there's some process thats slowly using all your ram and forcing other processes to be shut down or suspended?

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Safe to say I don't have a clue then.
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/me reads Gayles (remarkably similar) reply.

doh - teach ME not to read the thread fully first.

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Is it possible that there's some process thats slowly using all your ram and forcing other processes to be shut down or suspended?
Megla/Gayle: This *is* possible, yes, thinking about it... how would I find out?

Also, why would these processes start up again?

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Not being much of a linux techie I dunno.
Best wait for Gayle to sort you out on that one.

Or you could try hitting MT or some of the other #linux crew over the head in a nice kind of way.
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Cup of tea while you wait? You'll be waiting a long time for me to sort this one, I haven't got the foggiest
Mines 2 sugars then. And don't make it too milky either!

Mong, short of using a bit of common sense (ie. monitor running processes, look for ones with high ram usage, see if they take progressively more etc etc) there's not much I can recommend.
If you're not allready running 'bare bones' try stopping everything you don't absolutely need and leaving it overnight again, to see if it's Apache itself causing the problem or something else getting in the way.

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I should point out that it's not just Apache that freezes, but SSH, FTP, etc...

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Problems with the TCP/IP driver maybe?

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Problems with the TCP/IP driver maybe?
Again, I'm too inept to know this stuf

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USER    PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME COMMAND
root    283  0.0  0.1   424  248  p0  R+   12:34PM   0:00.00 ps aux
root      1  0.0  0.1   552  304  ??  ILs  11:30AM   0:00.01 /sbin/init --
root      2  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   11:30AM   0:00.00  (pagedaemon)
root      3  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   11:30AM   0:00.00  (vmdaemon)
root      4  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   11:30AM   0:00.01  (bufdaemon)
root      5  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   11:30AM   0:00.12  (syncer)
root      6  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   11:30AM   0:00.01  (vnlru)
root     23  0.0  0.0   212   88  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.00 adjkerntz -i
root     68  0.0  0.3   952  672  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.09 /usr/sbin/syslogd -s
root     77  0.0  0.3  1080  788  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/sbin/inetd -wW
root     79  0.0  0.3  1000  740  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.02 /usr/sbin/cron
root     81  0.0  0.7  2324 1800  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.55 /usr/sbin/sshd
root     84  0.0  0.9  2788 2260  ??  Ss   11:30AM   0:00.17 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail)
smmsp    87  0.0  0.9  2664 2184  ??  Is   11:30AM   0:00.01 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail)
root    159  0.0  1.2  3696 3052  ??  Ss   11:30AM   0:00.22 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
root    162  0.0  0.2   644  456 con- I    11:30AM   0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql
root    166  0.0  0.3   952  644  v0  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0
root    167  0.0  0.3   952  648  v1  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1
root    168  0.0  0.3   952  648  v2  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2
root    169  0.0  0.3   952  648  v3  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3
root    170  0.0  0.3   952  648  v4  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4
root    171  0.0  0.3   952  648  v5  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5
root    172  0.0  0.3   952  648  v6  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6
root    173  0.0  0.3   952  648  v7  Is+  11:30AM   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7
mysql   184  0.0  2.0 27588 5124  ??  S    11:30AM   0:00.19 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local --datadir=/var/db/mysql
www     185  0.0  1.9  5212 4808  ??  I    11:30AM   0:02.10 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
www     186  0.0  1.3  3876 3356  ??  I    11:30AM   0:00.03 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
www     187  0.0  1.3  3796 3276  ??  I    11:30AM   0:00.03 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
www     188  0.0  1.3  3812 3284  ??  I    11:30AM   0:00.03 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
www     189  0.0  2.0  5484 5100  ??  I    11:30AM   0:00.52 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
www     190  0.0  1.8  5092 4692  ??  I    11:30AM   0:02.18 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
emeli   197  0.0  0.4  1484 1108  ??  Is   11:43AM   0:00.09 ftpd: 146.87.107.91: user/emeli: NOOP\r\n (ftpd)
www     215  0.0  1.3  3812 3284  ??  I    11:59AM   0:00.04 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
root    247  0.0  0.8  2496 2108  ??  S    12:21PM   0:00.14 sshd: paul@ttyp0 (sshd)
paul    248  0.0  0.3  1088  876  p0  Is   12:21PM   0:00.02 -bash (bash)
root    251  0.0  0.4  1328  968  p0  S    12:21PM   0:00.08 _su (csh)
root      0  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DLs  11:30AM   0:00.00  (swapper)
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Coming back to the right thread again

I can't find what I was looking for (an online port scanner that allows you to enter the IP address to be scanned) so I'll have a play with nmap when I get home to see what (if anything) is alive.
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TCP: 146.87.107.43 [21-ftp]
TCP: 146.87.107.43 [22-ssh]
TCP: 146.87.107.43 [25-smtp]
TCP: 146.87.107.43 [80-www-http]
TCP: 146.87.107.43 [587-submission]
TCP: 146.87.107.43 [3306-mysql] | F

That's all that's open...

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There's at most 15% (quick estimate) of your memory accounted for by process space then.
If it is a memory problem, then you need to be looking at ram that's cached or used in buffers. How you get to that I'm not sure.

Incidentally, whats the command to list processes like that? I was told how to do it once and can't remember now (right when I need it myself...).

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  UID	PID  PPID CPU PRI NI   VSZ  RSS	WCHAN  STAT  TT	      TIME COMMAND
   88	184   162   0	2  0 27588 5172	poll   S	   0:00.31 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local --datadir=/var/db
   80	189   159   0	2  0  5484 5100	accept I	   0:00.55 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
   80	185   159   0	2  0  5212 4808	accept I	   0:02.14 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
   80	190   159   0	2  0  5092 4696	accept I	   0:02.24 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
 1004	523   522   0  10  0  1092  944	wait   Ss    p0	   0:00.12 -bash (bash)
    0	 84	1   0	2  0  2788 2260	select Ss	   0:00.38 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail)
   80	187   159   0	2  0  3900 3400	accept I	   0:00.07 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
   80	186   159   0	2  0  3848 3348	accept I	   0:00.08 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
   25	 87	1   0  18  0  2664 2184	pause  Is	   0:00.01 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sen
   80	188   159   0	2  0  3836 3308	accept I	   0:00.06 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
   80	215   159   0	2  0  3836 3308	accept I	   0:00.06 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
    0	159	1   0	2  0  3696 3052	select Ss	   0:00.34 /usr/local/sbin/httpd
    0	162	1 102  10  0   644  456	wait   I    con-   0:00.01 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql
    0	  1	0   0  10  0   552  304	wait   ILs	   0:00.01 /sbin/init --
    0	522    81   0	2  0  2496 2108	select S	   0:00.15 sshd: paul@ttyp0 (sshd)
 1004	610   523   1  28  0   424  248	-      R+    p0	   0:00.00 ps -alwmx
 1003	438    77   0	2  0  1484 1176	sbwait Ss	   0:00.21 ftpd: 146.87.107.91:	user/emeli: NOOP\r\n (ftpd)
    0	 81	1   0	2  0  2324 1800	select Is	   0:00.96 /usr/sbin/sshd
    0	 77	1   0	2  0  1080  816	select Is	   0:00.01 /usr/sbin/inetd -wW
    0	 79	1   0  10  0  1000  740	nanslp Ss	   0:00.04 /usr/sbin/cron
    0	 68	1   0	2  0   952  672	select Ss	   0:00.11 /usr/sbin/syslogd -s
    0	 23	1 120  18  0   212   88	pause  Is	   0:00.00 adjkerntz -i
    0	168	1   0	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v2	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2
    0	166	1   0	3  0   952  644	ttyin  Is+   v0	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0
    0	167	1   1	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v1	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1
    0	169	1   0	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v3	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3
    0	170	1   0	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v4	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4
    0	171	1   0	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v5	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5
    0	172	1   0	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v6	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6
    0	173	1   1	3  0   952  648	ttyin  Is+   v7	   0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7
    0	  0	0   0 -18  0	 0    0	sched  DLs	   0:00.00  (swapper)
    0	  6	0   0  -2  0	 0    0	vlruwt DL	   0:00.03  (vnlru)
    0	  5	0   0  18  0	 0    0	syncer DL	   0:00.31  (syncer)
    0	  4	0   0 -18  0	 0    0	psleep DL	   0:00.03  (bufdaemon)
    0	  3	0   0  18  0	 0    0	psleep DL	   0:00.00  (vmdaemon)
    0	  2	0   0 -18  0	 0    0	psleep DL	   0:00.01  (pagedaemon)
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ps with any number of differetn flags will do it

2 that spring to mind are "ps -ef" and "ps aux" (try them..)

also top will tell you whats running (in realtime!), as well as giving a memory usage and cpu breakdown
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ps with any number of differetn flags will do it

2 that spring to mind are "ps -ef" and "ps aux" (try them..)

also top will tell you whats running (in realtime!), as well as giving a memory usage and cpu breakdown
I know this much

Code:
-bash-2.05b$ top

last pid:   203;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00                                                        up 0+00:15:49  14:30:00
28 processes:  1 running, 27 sleeping
CPU states:  0.8% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt, 99.2% idle
Mem: 11M Active, 13M Inact, 11M Wired, 12K Cache, 6848K Buf, 212M Free
Swap: 496M Total, 496M Free

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
  200 paul      28   0  1908K  1196K RUN      0:00  0.00%  0.00% top
   79 root       2   0  2324K  1772K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
  154 root       2   0  3696K  3044K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  186 root       2   0  2496K  2108K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
  179 mysql      2   0 27408K  4792K poll     0:00  0.00%  0.00% mysqld
   68 root       2   0   952K   672K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% syslogd
   84 root       2   0  2788K  2264K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sendmail
  187 paul      10   0  1092K   880K wait     0:00  0.00%  0.00% bash
  157 root      10   0   644K   456K wait     0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh
   77 root      10   0  1000K   740K nanslp   0:00  0.00%  0.00% cron
  165 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  161 root       3   0   952K   644K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  168 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  163 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  166 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  167 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  162 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
  164 root       3   0   952K   648K ttyin    0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
   75 root       2   0  1080K   788K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% inetd
   87 smmsp     18   0  2664K  2188K pause    0:00  0.00%  0.00% sendmail
  180 www        2   0  3712K  3064K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  182 www        2   0  3712K  3064K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  183 www        2   0  3724K  3068K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  184 www        2   0  3724K  3068K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  181 www        2   0  3712K  3064K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
  185 www        2   0  3724K  3068K accept   0:00  0.00%  0.00% httpd
   81 root       2   0   920K   560K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% usbd
   23 root      18   0   212K    88K pause    0:00  0.00%  0.00% adjkerntz
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