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7 Jul 2003, 09:06
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
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seraphim, sad hehe
I selfexiled from my original galaxy and ended up in C-n00b. Amazingy in a galaxy thats relatively active, but got bashed a lot. We worked on it, got ourselves in the P alliance and the few playes with alliance grew, helping the others. We get hit more then averadge cause heh, we stand out in the high clusters i guess, being top 250 was like a little party for us even.
But sometimes, sometimes you just have to shake your head and wonder where this game has gotten to. There is this player in my galaxy, new to the game, no alliance, 3.5m score cause she is active.
Today we got hit...by seraphim i been told. You look at the galstat and you wonder if they are too chicken to find themselfs a DECENT target. Its like hitting in p....if the only way you can get roids is hitting low eta and bashing at score limit...then there is NOT much to be proud of.
Link following is the 3.5m newbie in our gal. We managed to cover her several times but since this time ALL our planets look like this, i guess its a lost battle here...
HOPE YOU ARE PROUD:P
GREAT ATTACK....
http://www.pilkara.com/parsers.php?scanid=443056233
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7 Jul 2003, 09:13
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Talk about n00bs...
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7 Jul 2003, 09:16
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Too close for comfort
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You should be proud! If you get 11 hostile fleets teaming up on your planet it means you must have done something right!
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7 Jul 2003, 09:17
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The mojority of the galaxy is the same way. Even the ones that only have 50 roids or so :/
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7 Jul 2003, 09:20
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: sydney australia
Posts: 81
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it should be noted that alot of alliances use such tactics (not just seraphim as was the case here if sigirds intel is correct), wether they are moral or ethical is another question.
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7 Jul 2003, 09:23
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pe0n
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kindom of the Netherlands
Posts: 1,347
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If I had ships like that I'd be bugging LDK on a daily basis. Will get me rid of those ships though. But it's a bit more exciting.
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7 Jul 2003, 09:30
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Crimson Dragon
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 135
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just another fine example of the degradation of Planetarion.
the level of bashing keeps increasing every round, and the overall attitude of the average Planetarion player is full of hate and contempt these days.
some of the Pa mails i have seen this round have just been shameful heh.
oh well PA made its bed, everyone gets to lie in it.
:/
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7 Jul 2003, 09:41
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: sydney australia
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bashing as been part of pa since i started playing rd3..........ppl always like to remember the good old days and seem to obmit remembering certain things like the bashing that went on because it might taint the way they remember it.
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7 Jul 2003, 09:42
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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Quote:
Originally posted by aza1
it should be noted that alot of alliances use such tactics (not just seraphim as was the case here if sigirds intel is correct), wether they are moral or ethical is another question.
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I know for sure mine doesnot.
And my intel is correct
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7 Jul 2003, 09:47
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oslo
Posts: 279
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dont complain
my galaxy is outside top250 soon, and we get such incs almost daily.
and perhaps a reason why alliances such as seraphim must do such is that they dont have as 'leet', 'active', and multi using members like other alliances.
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7 Jul 2003, 11:23
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Fredtje
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 15
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Hmm, dont whine everyone gets an overkill of attackers
For myself I got 90M+ of total score incoming last week. that's 5x my score, was proud on that btw :-)
Ofcourse we got it covered
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7 Jul 2003, 11:55
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The Milky Bar Kid
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Aberystwyth
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speaking of over kill LDK are being right twats to a top10 gal, especially since the gal had LDK in it!
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7 Jul 2003, 12:01
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lol troll lol
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 54
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heh.
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7 Jul 2003, 12:30
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¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
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So how long before your gal fleet catches the larger attackers on the way out?
: )
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7 Jul 2003, 12:35
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this game is simple:
find a easy target, roid it,get minimum losses, grow big.
anyone who thinks that morals have anything to do with a game needs a reality check.
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7 Jul 2003, 12:44
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
Posts: 2,177
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pathetic
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7 Jul 2003, 12:56
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
Posts: 1,813
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Quote:
Originally posted by MikeHunt
this game is simple:
find a easy target, roid it,get minimum losses, grow big.
anyone who thinks that morals have anything to do with a game needs a reality check.
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There's a difference between morals and senseless overkill. This sort of thing is what causes new players to quit and never return, while all the time people moan about lack of targets to hit. How do you expect the game to ever recover if new, active players are subjected to this retarded treatment?
And from a military point of view, I very much doubt anyone in that gal (especially the 50 roid planets) was worth that much incoming. It smells like abuse of authority from the commanding alliance's mil staff in a case of "If you wont let me land, I'll just bash you to ****". If I were Seraphim HC (assuming this incident was run by that alliance), I would be immediately finding out who was incompentant enough for such abuse of power.
Edit: upon closer examination of the planet in question, I'd be reporting this to the hunters, several of those hostiles look alot like freebie escort accounts...
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7 Jul 2003, 13:26
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Connection Established...
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: United Kingdom
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Quote:
Edit: upon closer examination of the planet in question, I'd be reporting this to the hunters, several of those hostiles look alot like freebie escort accounts...
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I hope ur not talking about my planet
I am in a BG that organised an attack on this gal as well, but we didn't have mindless overkill like this (I was the only one on this gal for our attack, and being approx. 3-4 mil bigger than the target u could understand why I would take it on my own )
To say I am annoyed is an understatement. I was perfectly happy with my attack, and the n00bs have to ruin it.
Before you flame me about joining the bashing with them, please note my alliance.
Ta
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R8 - 4:3:1 then 3:8:4 (ViruS TO)
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7 Jul 2003, 13:43
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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owwww, second wave:P
another alliance-less new player in my galaxy (who took 3 weeks to get on irc). Please note he has 1.9m score and 200 roids....
http://www.pilkara.com/parsers.php?scanid=1631778635
(ingal defence btw)
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7 Jul 2003, 13:50
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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nice update on the planet i was talking about in my original post:P
http://www.pilkara.com/parsers.php?scanid=23406248
anybody who wants the coords to make them feel the same, feel free to pm me
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7 Jul 2003, 14:02
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 340
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What a waste of ships.
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7 Jul 2003, 14:43
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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My GC asked me to post this:
from galchannel:
[15:38] <jatr> sigrid.. post this for me in your thread (i cant post due to the forum bug)
[15:39] <jatr> A force like that should be used to take out a top 50 galaxy with hostile planets
[15:39] <jatr> not a barely made top 250 gal with a bunch of allianceless planets
clearly i agree, heh
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7 Jul 2003, 14:45
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lol troll lol
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 54
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put it in a different thread coss it werent seraphim.
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7 Jul 2003, 14:47
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: wish id remember more often
Posts: 59
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pffff
waste of ships, lack of honour and i have lots and lots of targets for the remaining time of this rnd, where im gonna visit some of these planets
soz to see this sigrid
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7 Jul 2003, 14:48
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smurfeh
put it in a different thread coss it werent seraphim.
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7 Jul 2003, 15:02
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oslo
Posts: 279
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some planets may have, or maybe ur gal ws so fat that 2 groups launched same time(or 1 tick apart).
Just cuz a few planets were, doesnt mean they all are.
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7 Jul 2003, 15:22
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Oktoberfest :)
Posts: 397
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/me is seraphim and proud of it
and dont call me chicken
get me some targets that aint my friends
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7 Jul 2003, 15:31
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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Quote:
Originally posted by das_experiment
some planets may have, or maybe ur gal ws so fat that 2 groups launched same time(or 1 tick apart).
Just cuz a few planets were, doesnt mean they all are.
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yes, a 3.4 m target with 240 roids is indeed so fat you need 11 hostile fleets on it:P
LMAO
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7 Jul 2003, 15:32
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Connection Established...
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: United Kingdom
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Quote:
Originally posted by das_experiment
some planets may have, or maybe ur gal ws so fat that 2 groups launched same time(or 1 tick apart).
Just cuz a few planets were, doesnt mean they all are.
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In fact you are right about the 2 groups launching... but I was the only one attacking that planet in my group....
Its quite ironic that I got 95% of the roids that were capped whilst I was there (about 90 roids)....
Nice going seraphim
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R8 - 4:3:1 then 3:8:4 (ViruS TO)
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7 Jul 2003, 16:55
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heh
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: On the Otherside
Posts: 145
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Sad.
(how did you manage ETA 7 'ingal' defence on the second planet with a full techtree btw? :P )
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7 Jul 2003, 17:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oslo
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Quote:
Originally posted by Yeggstry
In fact you are right about the 2 groups launching... but I was the only one attacking that planet in my group....
Its quite ironic that I got 95% of the roids that were capped whilst I was there (about 90 roids)....
Nice going seraphim
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i seriously duobt u manage to take a whole planet alone yeggs :]
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7 Jul 2003, 17:17
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TFD forever
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: In the >10k thread
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you mean there are/where "elite" alliances that don't use the 5-or-more-double overkill tactic? which ones?
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7 Jul 2003, 17:18
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Let battle commence
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: England
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*sigh*
And yet again... cowardiss to gain roids... was some what worse for me last round... 2mill, 80 roids, and they were STILL 2 waving me. If i remember correctly, we had inc for 2 weeks.... 2 waves a day. heh. As i said then, and i shall say again... i can still remember the days when attacking alone used to work, and be very profitable, now, with everyone online a lot more, its a lot harder to gain the edge when attacking... between that, and spies helping out / scan planets being able to get all scans through no prob blah blah blah. There are certain people out there who want to 'win' at all costs... if bashing their way, so be it, if cheating is there way... who are we to stop em... I despise of cheaters, why do u think i work hard at multihunting.
Anyway, things have changed, people become desperate for roids and will bash to gain even 10 roids... (yes, a few times last round, the overkill decoy fleets forgot to pull, mucking up the capping!) its a sad state to be in, and i wish something could be done about it...
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7 Jul 2003, 19:25
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Connection Established...
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: United Kingdom
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Quote:
Originally posted by das_experiment
i seriously duobt u manage to take a whole planet alone yeggs :]
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Contrary to public opinion, I DO know what I am doing :P
I aint stupid to overkill like that...
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7 Jul 2003, 21:08
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Don't make me declare war
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Portsmouth
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Quote:
Originally posted by Yeggstry
Contrary to public opinion, I DO know what I am doing :P
I aint stupid to overkill like that...
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What r u doing here??
Shouldnt u be shagging, loudly, in a 2 million pound tent ffs.
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7 Jul 2003, 21:10
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Who?
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: #Comfy
Posts: 743
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Quote:
Originally posted by Forest
What r u doing here??
Shouldnt u be shagging, loudly, in a 2 million pound tent ffs.
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ROFL
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7 Jul 2003, 22:21
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Commander
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: .nz
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Keep your ratio low and you wont get attacked.
Bashing is not possible with the 20% limit. Being such a good target in that you attract multiple attackers is.
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7 Jul 2003, 23:48
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Most unimportant guy...
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kvinesdal
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heh
reminds me of whe n superior tried to get my roids in r4. eventually, they got through too. With one of the über overkills...and dont say this is something Seraphim r the only ones doing
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8 Jul 2003, 00:01
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heh
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: On the Otherside
Posts: 145
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kileman
Keep your ratio low and you wont get attacked.
Bashing is not possible with the 20% limit. Being such a good target in that you attract multiple attackers is.
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Nah, a 5 miller clearly can't bash a 1 miller. Especially not if there's ten 5 million planets teaming up on one 1 million.
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8 Jul 2003, 06:29
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kileman
Keep your ratio low and you wont get attacked.
Bashing is not possible with the 20% limit. Being such a good target in that you attract multiple attackers is.
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I suggest you click the links and then tell me that aint bashing, heh
and since when is 3.4 m score and 240 roids GOOD?
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8 Jul 2003, 08:12
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Connection Established...
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 149
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Quote:
Originally posted by Forest
What r u doing here??
Shouldnt u be shagging, loudly, in a 2 million pound tent ffs.
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No, I do have to work as well, sometimes I get bored and read these boards (yes I know, I've stooped to a new low)
I leave my shagging for the weekends thanks
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R8 - 4:3:1 then 3:8:4 (ViruS TO)
R9 - 47:10:5 (ViruS Gaming Community (VGC) Tech Op)
R9.5 - 23:6:4 (VGC Tech Op) (#462 planet)
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8 Jul 2003, 09:27
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NAC Breda > *
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 77
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ragrrr
Sad.
(how did you manage ETA 7 'ingal' defence on the second planet with a full techtree btw? :P )
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Also without a full techtree it is impossible, so think before you post :P
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8 Jul 2003, 09:31
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NAC Breda > *
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anyway a very lame attack on my little gal. and it was seraphim attacking cause I got a nice sms of one of their members 3 hours before the attack... ofc I am inactive ass hell and prefered sleep over reading the damn thing.
good to know some of the attackers will be closed soon.
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8 Jul 2003, 12:18
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Sigrid stop moaning fs. Ppl hit other ppl because they want roids, there are no ethics in this game
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Commander
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: .nz
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigrid
I suggest you click the links and then tell me that aint bashing, heh
and since when is 3.4 m score and 240 roids GOOD?
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Perhaps they got the 'noob' and your planet co ords confused and sent a lot more incoming than was actually needed to destroy the planet. As you can 'command' far more defence than a nublet can.
Being attacked is part of the game, as long as there is no dubious cheating involved, you just have to 'accept it'. I started at tick 450, got bashed, kept playing, and moved on... its the only way to learn
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8 Jul 2003, 12:58
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'Useless'
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wellington, NZ.
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I seem to recall having a convo similar to this, roles reversed about Fury bashing people in round 3.....
why I remember this, I dunno but its not nice being on this side is it??
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8 Jul 2003, 14:17
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hated dead or alive
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 595
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Quote:
Originally posted by jornx
Sigrid stop moaning fs. Ppl hit other ppl because they want roids, there are no ethics in this game
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strenght and honour..:P
I dont moan, i am perfectly happy being in the gal i am in, i am merely pointing out tactics on that attack were stupid and that things like this eventually kill the game cause you get NO new ppl playing pa ever.
And kileman, i got the sarcasm, why dont you try posting a sensible reply in my posts for once, or better, DONT reply.
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8 Jul 2003, 14:29
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Retired?
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Norway
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Originally posted by Eddie_V
Also without a full techtree it is impossible, so think before you post :P
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with no eta reduction and battleships, i guess u will have eta 10 in gal right? or eta 9.. so its possible to have eta 7 ingal without a full techtree..
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I was 3:2:2 in round 10 \o/
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8 Jul 2003, 14:31
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heh
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: On the Otherside
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Originally posted by Eddie_V
Also without a full techtree it is impossible, so think before you post :P
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Point remains the same, but fair enough
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8 Jul 2003, 15:57
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Klaatu barada nikto
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
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Originally posted by Eventh
with no eta reduction and battleships, i guess u will have eta 10 in gal right? or eta 9.. so its possible to have eta 7 ingal without a full techtree..
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Since when is in-gal travel time affected by tech tree upgrades?
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