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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 18:35   #101
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 19:33   #102
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Offical [TeamPies] Announcement

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3: they are actually trying to play an honest game this time...

I have had killmark in my gal, he cheated. Not only did he cheat, he got deleted, and behaved like a complete retard too.'

Why should we belive that Killmark, and some people who is know to be ****e players, suddenly have is good enough to be the #1 galaxy?
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 20:09   #103
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I think it is always the same with top galaxies. Until Newsscans arent aviable, they do all farm. And when newsies are out they stop it...and than there is nuttin you can proof...

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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 20:11   #104
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I was trying to avoid posting in this thread, but as usual... I seem unable to.

Necro, I really do not understand why you even bother to keep replying, you knew people would reply to this post the way they did. And I think I know you good enough to know that you normally would not give much about other people's opinions. So stop replying for God's sake.

Your galaxy has proven to consist of quality players, dedicated to the game. You, Klendau and Veil05 are outstanding NoS members, and that is all mattering to me.

I personally think highly of your decision to have KM in your galaxy, it proves you value friendship over public opinion. You likely anticipated the possible negative impact this could have on your galaxy, yet still you guys decided to risk this to play with a friend. My respect, unlike other morons, you see beyond this game, and value friendship above roids and reputation.

newsflash: KM has cheated (in online games, but that does not necessarily result in him being an impleasant individual. Hell, I cheated on my girlfriend... does that mean I should be crucified?!

The only thing bothering me, is Klendau, Veil05 and you not telling me about KM, even when confronted about it. I knew right from the start you had him there, but hoped you would be honest
and eventually tell me, a shame really.

As for your galaxy cheating, I know more about your galaxy than you probably assume, and certainly more than 99.9% of the people reading this. Your galaxy has not cheated more than any other average private top 250 galaxy. And you personally never cheated (I only know about this round). But do yourself a favour and delete this thread, by your continueing replying here, you imply you are defending yourself, and that looks like you have to defend yourself for having done something wrong, which you have not.
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 20:35   #105
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I have had killmark in my gal, he cheated. Not only did he cheat, he got deleted, and behaved like a complete retard too.'

Why should we belive that Killmark, and some people who is know to be ****e players, suddenly have is good enough to be the #1 galaxy?

each and every member of 48:4 is a better player than u are
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:05   #106
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:06   #107
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Offical [TeamPies] Announcement

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each and every member of 48:4 is a better player than u are
Sorry, but I dont use farm galaxies, bots etc.
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:10   #108
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newsflash: KM has cheated (in online games, but that does not necessarily result in him being an impleasant individual. Hell, I cheated on my girlfriend... does that mean I should be crucified?!
Killmark has cheated in PA, round after round. He has also been cought cheating in other other online games.

Dont let yourself get clouded just becouse some of that galaxies members are also members of NoS.
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:25   #109
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Killmark has cheated in PA, round after round. He has also been cought cheating in other other online games.

Dont let yourself get clouded just becouse some of that galaxies members are also members of NoS.
You should know me better than that. I hope my post did not imply that I even remotely like KM. He was not admitted to NoS when he applied, for good reason.

I am just saying that people are not 'bad' for the sole reason of having cheated in a few online games. As for cheating, it is a natural factor of the game, and happens in practically every gal. Denying that would be extremely naive.

Necro's gal did certainly 'cheat' less than other current top 20 galaxies.

p.s. Nothing except testosseron clouds my mind.
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:30   #110
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newsflash: KM has cheated (in online games, but that does not necessarily result in him being an impleasant individual. Hell, I cheated on my girlfriend... does that mean I should be crucified?!
depends if she is cute...
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:31   #111
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As for your galaxy cheating, I know more about your galaxy than you probably assume, and certainly more than 99.9% of the people reading this. Your galaxy has not cheated more than any other average private top 250 galaxy. And you personally never cheated (I only know about this round). But do yourself a favour and delete this thread, by your continueing replying here, you imply you are defending yourself, and that looks like you have to defend yourself for having done something wrong, which you have not.
hit the nail on the head (although i dont know Necro really..)

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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 21:33   #112
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depends if she is cute...
They all are.

Depends if the other was cute enough...
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 22:26   #113
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If r10 is private, and kill ask's me to join his gal, i damn well will. As to be quite frank, he's far better company than ne of u lot.

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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 23:16   #114
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You should know me better than that. I hope my post did not imply that I even remotely like KM. He was not admitted to NoS when he applied, for good reason.

I am just saying that people are not 'bad' for the sole reason of having cheated in a few online games. As for cheating, it is a natural factor of the game, and happens in practically every gal. Denying that would be extremely naive.

Necro's gal did certainly 'cheat' less than other current top 20 galaxies.

p.s. Nothing except testosseron clouds my mind.
hehe, "having cheated in a few online games". We all know you must cheat alot in pa, to be cought and deleted. Our beloved KM has been deleted round after round. He have also been deleted in SS and DOM.
Its not like he has account-shared once exactly.

And Wipey, we all have somwhat problems focusing when pretty girls are present
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Unread 7 Apr 2003, 23:23   #115
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Necro's gal did certainly 'cheat' less than other current top 20 galaxies.
Newbie alliance theory that all gals that do well cheat.

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Unread 8 Apr 2003, 03:00   #117
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Offical [TeamPies] Announcement

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Killmark was deleted every round he played for a long list of cheating actions all illegal at the point of time he made those activities and him fully aware to this case.
Ahhh the misinformed,

Been deleted twice and in one of those deletions I got a new account and still managed t50 as a fury member.

Go back and crawl under your stone you stupid twat.



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I have had killmark in my gal, he cheated. Not only did he cheat, he got deleted, and behaved like a complete retard too.'

Why should we belive that Killmark, and some people who is know to be ****e players, suddenly have is good enough to be the #1 galaxy?
Zhukov try haveing a look at round 4's final bot file my account is the second largest ingalaxy (after Poppa) what a fking surprise.

I don't know where you come up with your Bull**** but its easy enough to prove your talking our of your arse.


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Ahhh the misinformed,

Been deleted twice and in one of those deletions I got a new account and still managed t50 as a fury member.

Go back and crawl under your stone you stupid twat.



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You were "upgraded" but I don't think your upgrade lasted long. All in all, it was never Fury - just me you fooled.
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Unread 8 Apr 2003, 04:38   #120
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You refer to that nick you joined Wrath under. Unfortunately I didn't detect you in time and quite simply made a mistake in accepting you (and others) at that time.

You were "upgraded" but I don't think your upgrade lasted long. All in all, it was never Fury - just me you fooled.
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so your a fool than hu zhil
No, I was fooled. He didnt last long within Fury and wasnt in Wrath for long. He held no way to possibly hurt Wrath (unless we perhaps include his bots heh)

If you want to make it personal, I can just retort with mentioning Iliad y'know.
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Unread 8 Apr 2003, 09:52   #123
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Newbie alliance theory that all gals that do well cheat.

pld

Your definetly a good judge of talent, and have an understanding of how gals get to the top.

You are just terribly naive. The latter at least account shares, which to my knowledge is cheating as well.

I was not talking about farming/multiing.
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an understanding of how gals get to the top.

Been mentioning similar lines for the past 2 rounds now.

The circle you belong to is definitely like a heaven and hell distance against all other r3 starters. Gosh, last update i get this is still PA.
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Quoting what one said, without any inputs and initiative consisting of your own creativity.

Will you just agree and follow everything that KM will say and do?

I mean, judging by how you adored him the past rounds, he's like a second coming in your eyes.
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Zhukov try haveing a look at round 4's final bot file my account is the second largest ingalaxy (after Poppa) what a fking surprise.

I don't know where you come up with your Bull**** but its easy enough to prove your talking our of your arse.


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anyone i know in PA thinks your nothing but a cheat or have you gotten your bot army to stroke your ego now
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Ahhh the misinformed,

Been deleted twice and in one of those deletions I got a new account and still managed t50 as a fury member.

Go back and crawl under your stone you stupid twat.



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Beeing deleted twice doesnt mean cheated only twice eh ?

And beeing insulted by you seems like a compliment.

On your note about fury, i wasnt in command back then and apparently you only made it into wrath and never were a full member. Tho i guess it was clear when they found out who the planetowner was, your membership was removed.

I dont doubt you have some playing skills burried under all those cheating stuff, its just ppl dont want to be affiliated and seen with you. Noone is happy to be seen with Hitler or Saddam Hussein these days
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You are just terribly naive. The latter at least account shares, which to my knowledge is cheating as well.

I was not talking about farming/multiing.
Farming/multiing is far worse than account sharing. So in saying that 48:4 is "far worse than the other top 20 gals" is an inaccurate statement.

Farming/multi'ing effects many others, and personal rank.

Account sharing effects the personal life of an individual, and does not have an impact on the game.

I mean does it really make a difference to the universe if I skip lectures, sleep, sociability *just so I can recall/launch that fleet*. Whereas having a gal mate do it makes no significant difference to anyone else, it can make a huge difference to the person thats being shared.

Farming/multi'ing seriously distorts the rankings and removes its representation of 'skill'. As ever since R6, the farming 'skill' was removed from the game

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Account sharing should not be legal. It takes out one of the main points of competition in the game, activity. Swapping is the innocent of the bunch.

Multiing and Sharing are two of the worst cheats as far as throwing off the competitive playing field.
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Zhukov try haveing a look at round 4's final bot file my account is the second largest ingalaxy (after Poppa) what a fking surprise.

I don't know where you come up with your Bull**** but its easy enough to prove your talking our of your arse.
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I dont doubt you have some playing skills burried under all those cheating stuff, its just ppl dont want to be affiliated and seen with you. Noone is happy to be seen with Hitler or Saddam Hussein these days
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It's not that hard a decision.

for some ODD reason I think you havn't been put in this situation..

I didnt think it'd be that hard either.
But when the time came, I didnt want to leave the galm8s I loved, or the alliance I loved.

Sorry that you dont hold any loyalty to your gal or alliance, and would leave either in an instant...but thats your own problem.
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Either you lied to us all time, (you said 500 times Killmark was not in your gal) or you accountswapped which is cheating :/
Would you willingly tell everyone who was in your gal?

common sense says not to..
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Had we farmed that would of been an excellent course of action.

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More than likely most the people calling you farmers are actually farmers themselves..
they would never admit it though, and they dont have any feelings against farming, as they do it themselves, they just want to fit in with the 'bash teh necro' crowd.

Killmark has farmed before, has cheated before, so I understand not giving him a chance..but that is your decision, no one elses.

but then again..
Fury(eclipse) has backstabbed before, has made OH so lame excuses to backstab before (as this seems to be) anything for a free gal full of roids. Yet..People are willing to forgive fury, and alli them the next round, and give them the chance to be honourable again, though they dont do it. So I dont see whats wrong about giving killmark another chance.

I dont think I can think of a round where fury didnt turn around and backstab when they had the chance...
Dont worry, sooner or later the zhil will think of some more excuses to roid allies, and eventually disband weet, go to war, and win by crushing their opponents before the war even begins.
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Would you willingly tell everyone who was in your gal?

common sense says not to..
Incidentally MrPinky is the #planetarion channel bot. If it's playing PA as well then snazbaz coded it better than I've given him credit for

Is the rest of the gal list as reliable as this entry?
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Account sharing effects the personal life of an individual, and does not have an impact on the game.
Actually Kile, it does effect the game. A lot of people would say account sharing is much worse than farming or multying.
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Actually Kile, it does effect the game. A lot of people would say account sharing is much worse than farming or multying.
Care to provide an analogy?

Whats the difference between someone sending my fleet out for defence/attack, or someone ringing me up in the middle of the night to get me to do it myself? As far as the universe is concered, there is none, but between the two people there is one.

This assumes that every player *has* 24/7 access to the net, and assumes they are willing to login 24/7. For those that genuienly do, account sharing for them makes no difference at all.

Although between 2 players that dont have a possible 24/ 7 activity, the advantages are far more significant, giving the players an artificially boosted score.
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Care to provide an analogy?

Whats the difference between someone sending my fleet out for defence/attack, or someone ringing me up in the middle of the night to get me to do it myself? As far as the universe is concered, there is none, but between the two people there is one.

This assumes that every player *has* 24/7 access to the net, and assumes they are willing to login 24/7. For those that genuienly do, account sharing for them makes no difference at all.

Although between 2 players that dont have a possible 24/ 7 activity, the advantages are far more significant, giving the players an artificially boosted score.
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Care to provide an analogy?

Whats the difference between someone sending my fleet out for defence/attack, or someone ringing me up in the middle of the night to get me to do it myself? As far as the universe is concered, there is none, but between the two people there is one.

This assumes that every player *has* 24/7 access to the net, and assumes they are willing to login 24/7. For those that genuienly do, account sharing for them makes no difference at all.

Although between 2 players that dont have a possible 24/ 7 activity, the advantages are far more significant, giving the players an artificially boosted score.
You answer your own question. Very few players can be on PA 24/7 7 days a week for a whole round. Actually im sure that no player can be on every tick for an entire round.

I find it odd that you dont see why people should have to do their own work. What would be the point of this game if it werent competition between people. We might as well just pit bot armies against each other if we are ready to throw that away.

Account sharing allows planets to be more active than the players who play them. It destroys the very basic principle of this game.
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... or to some extent it places more emphasise on politics/fleet composition/target selection, and less on 'activity' which cant be *that* bad for the game... can it?


(and throughout R7 I was 'available' for every tick of the round, I had pc access @ work, home and uni... I was never more than 5 minutes away from a pc with a net connection all someone needed to do was sms )
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... or to some extent it places more emphasise on politics/fleet composition/target selection, and less on 'activity' which cant be *that* bad for the game... can it?


(and throughout R7 I was 'available' for every tick of the round, I had pc access @ work, home and uni... I was never more than 5 minutes away from a pc with a net connection all someone needed to do was sms )
Well if thats how you think the game should be played then why not just play it with bot armies? Players cease to matter.
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Well if thats how you think the game should be played then why not just play it with bot armies? Players cease to matter.
He didn't say that's how he thinks it should be played, he said that's how he played it in R7.

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He didn't say that's how he thinks it should be played, he said that's how he played it in R7.
I actually said neither

But bot armies would consist of multi'ing and most likely farming. Thats not how pa should be played As both are very annoying ;p To either extent, the odd account share here and there shouldnt even be comparable to a whole round of farming/multi'ing.
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He didn't say that's how he thinks it should be played, he said that's how he played it in R7.

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"... or to some extent it places more emphasise on politics/fleet composition/target selection, and less on 'activity' which cant be *that* bad for the game... can it? "

He suggests that emphisis off activity and more onto politics and tactics would be good for the game.

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I actually said neither

But bot armies would consist of multi'ing and most likely farming. Thats not how pa should be played As both are very annoying ;p To either extent, the odd account share here and there shouldnt even be comparable to a whole round of farming/multi'ing.
No, but massive organized account sharing shouldnt even be comparable to small farming/multying. There are matters of degrees. Having a fleet launched/pulled every now and again is one thing. Having a gal or more poeple who freely access each others accounts is just as non-competitive as multing to a degree and more so than farming really.
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He suggests that emphisis off activity and more onto politics and tactics would be good for the game.

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Well if thats how you think the game should be played then why not just play it with bot armies? Players cease to matter.
I actually really disagree with you here. A shift in emphasis in PA from activity to tactics and politics would make the game hugely more interesting. In answer to your question, you can't really have politics of any real legitimacy with bot armies. I'm sure we could code a game that would have "politics" with bot armies, to be sure, but it would be terrifically uninteresting. The appeal of political games is seeing how HUMANS react, and attempting to manipulate them. Perhaps I'm missing the point though.
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