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Unread 19 Jul 2015, 23:01   #51
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Its just a crying shame Ultores have to resort to fictitious fabrications to justify their own actions.
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Re: Congratulation Black-Flag

I was the only OOT planet all round BF had and I never got closed. Yes. I was small xan and pulled a lot of attacks for various reasons (of the few I even sent). Majority of those reasons being related to my irl situation and not being able to hide them in time for example (they died in base anyway). Irl being the reason I was OOT as well, useless to see my ships available to def and spending a zillion to never get them anyway etc. So pls, pics or did not happen.
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Re: Congratulation Black-Flag

DG, the support planet rules do not apply to planets in your own tag.
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We had around 10-12 small xan fi planets (100% phantoms and pods) attacking us on BF fi waves. Strangely enough, these planets always ended up recalling when the wave was through ally/galdef.

I reported these planets, and they did end up getting closed shortly after

And since your tag didn't seem to suffer any planet losses, one can only assume these planets were not in any tag.
Never happened.

Anyhow, just be glad BF won. Good for the game.
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You just assume they were related to Black Flag. You don't actually have any proof.

I don't think I said anything negative about Ultores, I was merely discussing the round from my personal point of view. Stop being a sore loser. Yes we all know that Ultores is the best bla bla.

Nice propaganda attempt by the way.
Any proof?
They escorted BF planets and recalled before landing, also they all got closed. Defending yourself would be valid if they didnt get closed. But they all did and you only get closed for not following the rules.
Coincidence they escorted BF planets?
I think not.

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Re: Congratulation Black-Flag

"You cannot defend planets outside Your galaxy or not in Your alliance" ... So the support rule effectively doesn't apply.
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"You cannot defend planets outside Your galaxy or not in Your alliance" ... So the support rule effectively doesn't apply.
But once you could, since the rules date from that time your post wasnt needed at all was it? Maybe you should just believe people who know more than you do.
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Any proof?
They escorted BF planets and recalled before landing, also they all got closed. Defending yourself would be valid if they didnt get closed. But they all did and you only get closed for not following the rules.
Coincidence they escorted BF planets?
I think not.
You reported to MHs and they took appropriate action. Case closed. Or are you going to whine about something else to discredit BF's win? Boy do I feel silly praising you a few posts back. Oh well.
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DG, the support planet rules do not apply to planets in your own tag.
The support-planet rule has been abolished a long time ago, and was really only in effect during assassins reign over the MH-Team.
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You reported to MHs and they took appropriate action. Case closed.
One could question how appropriate the action taken has been. As I seriously doubt any planets(or tags) that profitted from such illegal planets have lost any of their 'profits'. (mind you, i doubt these 'profits' were the proverbial nail in the coffin of this round's rankings)
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You reported to MHs and they took appropriate action. Case closed. Or are you going to whine about something else to discredit BF's win? Boy do I feel silly praising you a few posts back. Oh well.
I have to do nothing to discredit your win, you do that yourself.
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Re: Congratulation Black-Flag

One thing is using multi. But complaining about real users support planets in a game where every single strategy that could allow a sole player to achieve a good ranking by oneself is nerfed, is laughable. This game is all about support.
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I have to do nothing to discredit your win, you do that yourself.
According to you. I guess we should take your word on this.

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According to you. I guess we should take your word on this.

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No, according to the MH's who closed those planets.
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No, according to the MH's who closed those planets.
I guess because MHs closed these planets that they are automatically related to BF because agar3s says so.
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No, according to the MH's who closed those planets.
Technically the MH's don't judge the political alignment of these planets, just the fact that these planets have broken rules.
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I guess because MHs closed these planets that they are automatically related to BF because agar3s says so.
Analyzing a lot of closed planets in r61 at least, there was an above coincidental amount of times where they escorted BF planets. Add that to the fact that at least 1 of the closed planets got roids from a BF HC putting his nick in the Welcome to the Forum for R61 thread and a relation to BF should have been more than apparent to most impartial observers in my opinion.
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Analyzing a lot of closed planets in r61 at least, there was an above coincidental amount of times where they escorted BF planets. Add that to the fact that at least 1 of the closed planets got roids from a BF HC putting his nick in the Welcome to the Forum for R61 thread and a relation to BF would have been more than apparent to most impartial observers in my opinion.
That's a proof that if BF cheated again, they learned how to do it. In addition with not screwing politics that would be another reason to praise them.
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Technically the MH's don't judge the political alignment of these planets, just the fact that these planets have broken rules.
Exactly, but those planets escorted BF planets. That on its own isnt cheating but it gives them a connection to BF does it not?
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That's a proof that if BF cheated again, they learned how to do it. In addition with not screwing politics that would be another reason to praise them.
I couldn't tell you if they learned how to do it, as i have not analyzed closed planets over r62. If I am to believe agar3s' claims, and given the history of r61 I am inclined to do so, I don't think BF learned how to do it, as these planets still got closed.

Generally speaking I am not a fan of cheating in this game, so it's not something I tend to give praise for.
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Re: Congratulation Black-Flag

I'm going to finish this debate with my last comment on the topic. Regardless of circumstances, a win is a win. We fought our contender(s) and we won. I'm proud of Black Flag and that's all that matters.

I probably won't be playing for the win again (at least not right now). I finally got to talk in #planetarion and I can retire in peace!

It was a good round all, we thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Regardless of circumstances, a win is a win.
Pretty sure you just quoted Lance Armstrong here.
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Funny how people think these planets got closed for the "support planet" rule.
Its a rule that rarely, or ever, has been used.
The BF multies and Clouds wernt closed because of this rule R61.
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I probably won't be playing for the win again (at least not right now). I finally got to talk in #planetarion and I can retire in peace!

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Whatever you want to claim as truth PT (agar3s), it still is just your claim, I can with a pure heart say once again: I was the only BF OOT planet. Now please, go back in to your cave and cry in the corner quietly and get over your loss this round, there's always another round. Maybe you need more proxies and VNCs to compete when you choose the wrong strat. Just... quit with this propaganda shizzle that you (should) know ain't even true, only makes you look like a really, really sore loser and tbh, a whiny bit*h as well.
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Whatever you want to claim as truth PT (agar3s), it still is just your claim, I can with a pure heart say once again: I was the only BF OOT planet. Now please, go back in to your cave and cry in the corner quietly and get over your loss this round, there's always another round. Maybe you need more proxies and VNCs to compete when you choose the wrong strat. Just... quit with this propaganda shizzle that you (should) know ain't even true, only makes you look like a really, really sore loser and tbh, a whiny bit*h as well.
Multiple people from diffrent allies reported BF planets being escorted by planets wich was later closed. Its not only Ult/Agar3s who say this.
Personaly i did no multi hunting last round, but based on all the BF bot planets wich was closed last round i find it very plausible you did it again this round
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Multiple people from diffrent allies reported BF planets being escorted by planets wich was later closed. Its not only Ult/Agar3s who say this.
Personaly i did no multi hunting last round, but based on all the BF bot planets wich was closed last round i find it very plausible you did it again this round
u and entire universe find it plausible. its just about let the babies win, so.the game dont lose more players.
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Whatever you want to claim as truth PT (agar3s), it still is just your claim, I can with a pure heart say once again: I was the only BF OOT planet. Now please, go back in to your cave and cry in the corner quietly and get over your loss this round, there's always another round. Maybe you need more proxies and VNCs to compete when you choose the wrong strat. Just... quit with this propaganda shizzle that you (should) know ain't even true, only makes you look like a really, really sore loser and tbh, a whiny bit*h as well.
The denial in your runs deep, either you are a bad HC who doesnt know what goes on in his alliance. Or a cheating HC. Doesnt matter to me if you admit it here or not, everyone saw it happen and every alliance that ever won a round laughs at you for doing it. It just means BF doesn't think they can win without doing things like that, which is highly amusing to me.
Thanks for keeping up the parade though, I am sure you make alot of people laugh about it and don't worry, stupidity doesnt kill you. So atleast it isnt life threatening.
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I have no frigging idea what planets are you talking about. Pls do enlighten me (anyone who knows anything more). Who did they escort? When? Was it the same planets getting escorts all the time or random planets? If multiple planets got escorts, who were they all? What/who were the closed planets? Did you speak to anyone in BF about these?
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I have no frigging idea what planets are you talking about. Pls do enlighten me (anyone who knows anything more). Who did they escort? When? Was it the same planets getting escorts all the time or random planets? If multiple planets got escorts, who were they all? What/who were the closed planets? Did you speak to anyone in BF about these?
You wouldnt tell the truth anyway, after r61 everybody knows you are cheaters.
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Surely we are, just like moon is cheese. And I am telling you the truth now, I have no clue what the f-ing planets are you talking about. So give me details and I can look into it.
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Surely we are, just like moon is cheese. And I am telling you the truth now, I have no clue what the f-ing planets are you talking about. So give me details and I can look into it.
Did you look into the scanbot, the titans planet or anything else last round? Now if you did, was what your verdict?
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Did you look into the scanbot, the titans planet or anything else last round? Now if you did, was what your verdict?
You mean like Pit who achieved 77k scans? Oh wait, maybe he did them manually?
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I did look in to those and discussed those issues with the people who needed to be discussed with and some things got affected, some not. What was done and to who is not something I am willing, or even allowed to share (nor even fully aware of).

Now, if you got proof of anything, I'd be very tempted to take a look at it, preferably in full and not just some nicely cut out parts. If you're not willing to share, I'll just forget about it and go on with my life.
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Whole of blackflag are not cheaters, its just a few individuals who runs 3-4 planets each until these planets gets closed each round.
Im sure the normal member or officer in BF doesnt know about this, its not something you would talk about.

This for sure did not impact if BF won the round or not, politics and stamina did. Now that BF is under the "lupe" im sure they will not do it again.

Its been far worse cheating in this game to make a big fuzz about it and spoil their earned victory. But yes agar3s you are totally right!
That Noxious tries to defend his own alliance is ofc something you would expect.

Whats done is done, and congrats for winning BF i did not mention it before!
Let this topic be, and bounce harder back next round!
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Congrats Zhil and BF on the ally win
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I heard there were controversies about his ally
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I am actually Clouds.

Plot twist
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The amount of planets Clouds got this is no surprise
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You mean like Pit who achieved 77k scans? Oh wait, maybe he did them manually?
As I mentioned at the time, with the advanced scan interface you can scan the entire universe at once with every scan type. I managed 48k in one request during havoc last round!

That's all I'm going to say on the matter though, congrats on a good win BF, Butch3r shut up now.
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After spending way too much time looking at old J scans of ULT members, I seem to have found those planets you were talking about.

Yes, seems those planets were in our waves twice (both times with a different BG), they piggied at least twice on CT waves and at least once with a norsemen wave, quite often they flew with just their own "crew". So please, get your facts straight before accusing someone.

(We don't have J scans stored from all ULT members from all ticks naturally, so can't be that specific how often they hit with other alliances, but we do have J scans from our targets around LT-1-6). Guess Pit could have those scans tho.
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As I mentioned at the time, with the advanced scan interface you can scan the entire universe at once with every scan type.
When I tried that in havoc I got an error message that I was trying to do too many scans at once. I could only do a cluster at a time.
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The denial in your runs deep, either you are a bad HC who doesnt know what goes on in his alliance. Or a cheating HC. Doesnt matter to me if you admit it here or not, everyone saw it happen and every alliance that ever won a round laughs at you for doing it. It just means BF doesn't think they can win without doing things like that, which is highly amusing to me.
Thanks for keeping up the parade though, I am sure you make alot of people laugh about it and don't worry, stupidity doesnt kill you. So atleast it isnt life threatening.
Can you give us a quick recap of the conversations you had with app players when you absorbed them knowing full well that they systematically cheat?

Did you tell them that you absolutely will not tolerate any of their cheating, given that you feel your quota is already filled up with spiderpig and an army of "support" planets? Did any of them kick up a fuss about the searing new environment of honesty and fair play? Or, are you just "a bad HC who doesnt know what goes on in his alliance. Or a cheating HC."
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Close Ascendancy for out of tag support to Black Flag!
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Can you give us a quick recap of the conversations you had with app players when you absorbed them knowing full well that they systematically cheat?

Did you tell them that you absolutely will not tolerate any of their cheating, given that you feel your quota is already filled up with spiderpig and an army of "support" planets? Did any of them kick up a fuss about the searing new environment of honesty and fair play? Or, are you just "a bad HC who doesnt know what goes on in his alliance. Or a cheating HC."
Apprime or our "support" planets do not get closed. So how does that compare to BF having 10 planets closed 2 rounds in a row?
Also when I asked nox for his jgps of those planets escorting CT/norsemen he went afk so I ll have to wait and see if they escorted others. I doubt it though.
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