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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 10:01   #51
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Re: xVx and Nap agreements

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The one time your gal had incs and it went -25%?
Yet the galaxy remained larger, in roid size, then any other galaxy...

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lol that really is exceptional cross-defending indeed!
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mostly because your galaxy has been the only gal that hasn't been piled up against by 4+ alliances, fencing ftw!
So low.. you shouldn't be trying to take anything away from a top flight galaxy like the one in question...

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Your galaxy Paisley with another alliance composition would mean all of your scores would be significantly lower. But that does not take away from what you have done individually, but lets not pretend your super awesome either!
I don't know Gary... It is a pretty high calibre Galaxy...
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 11:47   #52
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Yet the galaxy remained larger, in roid size, then any other galaxy...

Sigh.... Know the facts son. Do not come on AD drinking with the big dogs if you piss like a puppy.

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5:5 was already 5-6k roids ahead of the nearest competitor when they got hit, so yes, its an incredible feat that they managed to stay ahead...

Im pretty sure Lichen would look to his own gal this round for cross defending if he wanted to "further his understanding". They've done a much better job than tia or clouds have this round...


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So low.. you shouldn't be trying to take anything away from a top flight galaxy like the one in question...
I don't know Gary... It is a pretty high calibre Galaxy...
Yes, its really hard being a "top flight" galaxy when you have next to no incs bar one or 2 nights all round...
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 12:04   #53
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5:5 was already 5-6k roids ahead of the nearest competitor when they got hit, so yes, its an incredible feat that they managed to stay ahead...

Im pretty sure Lichen would look to his own gal this round for cross defending if he wanted to "further his understanding". They've done a much better job than tia or clouds have this round...
There is simply no comparison. 5 5 had 1 load of incs from App at circa tick 120 which they fought off with ease.

When the rather large raid came recently half the galaxy were not hit and could not defend due to political occurances...

All I know is the top galaxy are very pro-active, extremely talented, players who deserve to be there. It's not their fault BC's choose to hit easier targets...
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 12:43   #54
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Re: xVx and Nap agreements

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fk u respect and honour!
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new style? i've never known PA and this forum to be anything else. and the one who does the most whining usually is losing for that day.

same old, same old i'd say
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 12:51   #55
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However for us peons who had our round excitement ruined by xVx weeks ago, it´s a fine opportunity to flex our longboats.

Your excitement was ended when you decided Kargool was a good enough HC for your alliance


Tbh breaking the conditions of a cooldown period is no biggy overall the best alliance will still win, well the one with most ambition and nouse to see it through

I would say hats off to coolkat and chimpie this round - regardless of how the rankings end up they have fought against the odds most the round and turned xVx back into a fighting force
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 13:04   #56
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How an alliance acts round to round is not something that affects naps - alliances will always nap who they need to to get as high as possible.

Its all about what suits your needs at the time not past actions of an alliance....
See the problem with weasels is they tend to think everyone else is as much of a weasel as themselves.

Fortunately it isn't true.

Any alliance worth co-operating with, will certainly think twice about working with an alliance that has a track record of breaking agreements.

Anyone who thinks othwerwise is simply deluding themselves.
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How an alliance acts round to round is not something that affects naps - alliances will always nap who they need to to get as high as possible.

Look at ND and App - at war for large parts of this round, napped for most of last round, at war the round before that.

Its all about what suits your needs at the time not past actions of an alliance....
Indeed. I can't count the number of times a "they'll never trust you again!" thread has popped up in PA history. It never turns out that way. xVx might gain one long term enemy because of their actions this round. They might gain none. But they won't suffer any other consequences.
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Sigh.... Know the facts son. Do not come on AD drinking with the big dogs if you piss like a puppy.

If you want to know all of the facts regarding the cross defending to further your overal understanding of PA & Politics then you are welcome to pm tia or clouds of IRC.
Don't make me laugh.

You make the huge assumption you even know my experiences in this game. Oh right, I forgot you're just one of the trolls who can't seem to function without AD in your life. Shame.
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 13:57   #59
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Re: xVx and Nap agreements

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The one time your gal had incs and it went -25%?
Our gal had inc nightly for quite the while. The one night that APP and P3ng both lol waved together we deffed the APP and p3ng fakes got through ... saddly we defend on in gal cross deffing and we ran out of fleets with allt he p3ng fakes.
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lol that really is exceptional cross-defending indeed!

Also Paisley, the gal win was up for grabs only up to around pt 130. Thats when other gals were taking incs hard while you fencers carried on your merry little way, so dont pretend it was anything but the fence-like makeup of your gal that got you to #1.

again TGV and XVX went to war tgv attacked our in gal XVX and we deffed wave after wave in gal like crazy because xvx was taking incs ... we are a very active galaxy we got lucky with a few great late start players ... darthkumbears and a few others crashed a few times but its his first round ... we have played with one plan in mind and that was to finish top 3 ... however we never lost value until late round when we were already ahead in score.

We lost 5 k roids at one point with two allies lol waving and faking us ... 3 days later we were back up to 20k roids. Activity is the key there. once u have that much value losing roids isnt that big a deal.
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 14:02   #61
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5:5 was already 5-6k roids ahead of the nearest competitor when they got hit, so yes, its an incredible feat that they managed to stay ahead...

Im pretty sure Lichen would look to his own gal this round for cross defending if he wanted to "further his understanding". They've done a much better job than tia or clouds have this round...




Yes, its really hard being a "top flight" galaxy when you have next to no incs bar one or 2 nights all round...
we have had a lot more than two nights, we just havnt had more than two nights land ... big difference. I'm not saying we are the best players around but for a last min BP we are a damn good and active team and have survived a lot of incs.
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 14:11   #62
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Highlighting DLR from 1:10 going into VAC mode as some how helpful is flawed. In fact DLR going into VAC mode destroyed the unity in that galaxy and effectively ruled them out for #1.

Your galaxy Paisley with another alliance composition would mean all of your scores would be significantly lower. But that does not take away from what you have done individually, but lets not pretend your super awesome either!

DLR went into vac mode because they were afraid of mass incs ... their first real incs all round ... maybe we should have done that when app and p3ng hit us?
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 14:31   #63
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Re: xVx and Nap agreements

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See the problem with weasels is they tend to think everyone else is as much of a weasel as themselves.

Fortunately it isn't true.

Any alliance worth co-operating with, will certainly think twice about working with an alliance that has a track record of breaking agreements.

Anyone who thinks othwerwise is simply deluding themselves.
what you said has soo much wrong in it, dunno where to start... but i will go to most recent....

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...69&postcount=1

Nd pissed at CT... and whole lot of flaming and backstabbing accusations

what happens in later rounds?? Nd and CT nap again and cooperate for a full round
SO no..... no one will remember this XVX thing past friday night....

btw CUDOS CT for napping the universe and still losing... i just saw the ranks LOLZORS
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again TGV and XVX went to war tgv attacked our in gal XVX and we deffed wave after wave in gal like crazy because xvx was taking incs ... we are a very active galaxy we got lucky with a few great late start players ... darthkumbears and a few others crashed a few times but its his first round ... we have played with one plan in mind and that was to finish top 3 ... however we never lost value until late round when we were already ahead in score.

We lost 5 k roids at one point with two allies lol waving and faking us ... 3 days later we were back up to 20k roids. Activity is the key there. once u have that much value losing roids isnt that big a deal.
TGV never full on attacked the xVx in your gal due to an agreement they had with ND. All waves you claimed to have deffed were relatively small daytime retals, never involving more than 6 planets per wave. Even now TGV is lolwaving just to damage xvx they don't come for tiamats. I'm not saying you didn't fend off the daytime retals well, but saying that's anything other than a political achievement is just plain bullshit.
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Don't make me laugh.

You make the huge assumption you even know my experiences in this game. Oh right, I forgot you're just one of the trolls who can't seem to function without AD in your life. Shame.
I make no assumption other then the fact you shouldn't come on here ranting and raving when there are no facts to back it up.
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 16:43   #66
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All I know is the top galaxy are very pro-active, extremely talented, players who deserve to be there. It's not their fault BC's choose to hit easier targets...

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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 19:11   #67
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Your excitement was ended when you decided Kargool was a good enough HC for your alliance


Tbh breaking the conditions of a cooldown period is no biggy overall the best alliance will still win, well the one with most ambition and nouse to see it through

I would say hats off to coolkat and chimpie this round - regardless of how the rankings end up they have fought against the odds most the round and turned xVx back into a fighting force
It's always fascinating how Kai manages to create his own bubble of perception and it is always completely flawed because people tell him stuff for shits and giggles.

I did not make a big fuss out of xvx breaking the nap agreement, only noted it, and knew then, that I could never trust anything xvx ever says again.

It is really quite simple.
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Unread 27 Jul 2011, 19:40   #68
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err well i guess we start with wtf....

Kargool what you just said had no relevance to what was being discussed by me. I meant your general ability as a HC is bad and thats why TGV failed.....

What i was actually saying was regardless who broke what and whatever the most organised and determined alliance will win, thats why TGV was 1st and is now 4th - full of emo's, poor HC decisions and bad fleet strategies...
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err well i guess we start with wtf....

Kargool what you just said had no relevance to what was being discussed by me. I meant your general ability as a HC is bad and thats why TGV failed.....

What i was actually saying was regardless who broke what and whatever the most organised and determined alliance will win, thats why TGV was 1st and is now 4th - full of emo's, poor HC decisions and bad fleet strategies...
Yeah, and it was a stroke of luck that earned us second place the round before. But hey, as long as you who has been with three alliances so far this round can call others emo I suppose you got every right to speech.
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yes because obviously i emoed from those 2 alliances... you got 2nd place last round because everyone else was crap - and you were slightly less crap, and CT were given the win
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what you said has soo much wrong in it, dunno where to start... but i will go to most recent....

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...69&postcount=1

Nd pissed at CT... and whole lot of flaming and backstabbing accusations

what happens in later rounds?? Nd and CT nap again and cooperate for a full round
SO no..... no one will remember this XVX thing past friday night....

btw CUDOS CT for napping the universe and still losing... i just saw the ranks LOLZORS
Clearly, you don't read very well. What you just said makes zero sense in regards to what Grog posted.
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Kaiba having ran a succesfull alliance herself clearly has much to say here.
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\o/ cant even get the gender right- i beleive my allaince to be sucessful in what it set out to do - a semi active allaince of friends with a good community spirit - constantly improving itself every round. I think we fufilled all those criteria.

TGV on the other hand were going for teh win ... and failed BADLY

CT were going for the win, napped the universe... and still failed BADLY
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DLR went into vac mode because they were afraid of mass incs ... their first real incs all round ... maybe we should have done that when app and p3ng hit us?
Umm no because you lose out on THREE days of reserves and you just get hit by Apprime anyway when VAC mode expires ??

Think about it ..
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i beleive my allaince to be sucessful in what it set out to do - a semi active allaince of friends with a good community spirit - constantly improving itself every round. I think we fufilled all those criteria.

Wow, welcome to the excuse of pretty much every "almost made it" alliance from the past 10 rounds.
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you got 2nd place last round because everyone else was crap - and you were slightly less crap, and CT were given the win
Obviously that means that TGV was the least crap alliance last round then, seeing as they beat out all the other crap alliances..
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Umm no because you lose out on THREE days of reserves and you just get hit by Apprime anyway when VAC mode expires ??

Think about it ..
Not to forget that the ones in the gal in question that didn't go into vac mode got roided sideways because there was less of an ingal defence pool.

In short 1:10 stupidity is our gain
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\o/ cant even get the gender right- i beleive my allaince to be sucessful in what it set out to do - a semi active allaince of friends with a good community spirit - constantly improving itself every round. I think we fufilled all those criteria.

TGV on the other hand were going for teh win ... and failed BADLY

CT were going for the win, napped the universe... and still failed BADLY
Excuse my misstake, I somehow have always thought you are one from your posts. As what isilx said, a lame excuse.
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\o/ cant even get the gender right- i beleive my allaince to be sucessful in what it set out to do - a semi active allaince of friends with a good community spirit - constantly improving itself every round. I think we fufilled all those criteria.

TGV on the other hand were going for teh win ... and failed BADLY

CT were going for the win, napped the universe... and still failed BADLY
It is fully possible to be a active alliance with friends and a good community spirit, and also end top 5. We proved that last round.

This round was however a summer round, with a lot of people playing a lot less active than we have done before, and therefor wasnt something we saw as a high priority round, and in addition to that with what happend in Norway last week, I decided to spend time in RL instead of a little game with 1000 players so that I could both mourn friends that are lost to an unspeakable tragedy, and that I could focus on stuff I saw as 100000% more important than an online game. Have no fear though Kai, TGV will be back next round, and we'll probably suck even worse next round so you can focus your e-hate our way then aswell. Toodles
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What i was actually saying was regardless who broke what and whatever the most organised and determined alliance will win, thats why TGV was 1st and is now 4th - full of emo's, poor HC decisions and bad fleet strategies...
its funny cause it comes from you
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Paisley aren't you running out of alliances to quit? :P
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yes Kai sticking to rules and agreements would be lost on you !
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Seems to have done HR well over the rounds... consistently mediocre and non threatening

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I completely agree, whatever suit your ally, you take. Question remains, and I assume the intent of this threads topic, Are xVx actually an alliance you would consider napping next round? - since they now twice to their own benefit and misfortune of the counterpart have mistreated the agreement initially made. As you wrote kai, an alliance looks for agreements benefitting their own cause. And for me it seems plausible to make other agreements than with xVx, afterall there´s (plenty) other allies one can turn to.

Ofc. should xVx somehow sit on 50% of the uni value next round, they´re hard to dodge, however that is something I know you wont even begin to imagine aye

That said I I´m with you on the CT being too late, it will be quite close, and it was quite a waste of opportunity to wait this long before breaking the nap.

However for us peons who had our round excitement ruined by xVx weeks ago, it´s a fine opportunity to flex our longboats.
While it's generally bad to hold grudges, if you are going to look at an alliance's track record, look at the people in charge rather than just the badge.
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Im kinda lost as to why everyone is crying about this... its like 8 on 1 against xVx - i mean we are even getting Dead Soldiers incs and then CT pop up and end the nap. Tbh it was a complete fail anyway - roids really dont matter at this point of the round - xVx just has to keep doing what its doing and its already over. I would say CT left it far too late make that final pushand will hopefully now succumb to ND aswell and finish 3rd.

If ND wants 2nd place then really they should be hitting CT and not xVx, neither can win but ND can move past them.


On a sidenote to ND attackers... if you are lolwaving and get no defence then some of you are supposed to pull off and let the smaller guys land - you landed 2 such lolwaves today and completely ruined your cap and xp gain - 2 things that really matter when landing atatcks at this point in the round
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Smart and predictive people can be wrong at times Forest!
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xVx just has to keep doing what its doing and its already over.
That was the main point in what i said - and xVx then went and promptly crashed 4 mill of score in 1 day and then another 2.5-3 mill the day after (which we will all agree is not something xVx are renowned for).

Soooo forest.... enjoy your lol and then reread whats actual said and what actually happened before you post next time.

I still genuinely believe that without those crashes that xVx would have won the round or that it would have gone right down to the wire with ND.

Maybe you should look more as to why CT, fully napped up to avoid all incs bar from 2 alliances, didnt win the round.... would probably be a better use of your time than trolling.... just saying
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Which goes to show why you have such a low grasp of what was going on.

For starters you argument is null because you say you lost 7 mill in crashes but lost the round by what, 10 mill?
And your argument is 'we might have won but we were rubbish'. What kind of an argument is that?

Unlike you, I am pleased with the position of my alliance. For what we had to deal with (and you really have NO idea) politically, we could easily have finished 6th.

Thanks for your input those, reminds me of trolls in the old days that used to come on the forums to make them look silly and you are doing a great job of it
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Thanks for your input those, reminds me of trolls in the old days that used to come on the forums to make them look silly and you are doing a great job of it
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And your argument is 'we might have won but we were rubbish'. What kind of an argument is that?
That's the kind of argument what ND&CT used at the times when Asc or App dominated the universe.
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Id rather be a rule breaker and enjoy this game

And thats the fundemental difference betwen our influences, ours is honour and dependability, yours is diametrically opposite, resulting in 40+ rounds of continous play and people that dont have to double check wether were staying to our word.
If being trustworthy means we wont ever win a round by score then so be it because we will win every round in 1 very important way, we wont ever have betrayed anyone including ourselves.

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Lol, and again, Kaiba loosing and showing how incompetent a HC can be in managing an alliance while thinking they're awesome.
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Lol, and again, Kaiba loosing and showing how incompetent a HC can be in managing an alliance while thinking they're awesome.

sorry where did i lose?

I just didnt respond thats all. I know that Forest will just argue the point until he is blue in the face and im bored of it.


When was i incompetent as a HC? as far as im aware HeX was well run and everyone who played there enjoyed playing there and would like the alliance to still be running.

Mistwraith: i wasnt actually trying to argue i was just saying how i play thats all. I just dont see where the fun is in playing like HR do... just seems a little dull for me
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