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Emo or Chav
There seems to be a great divide in Britains youth today which our generation just missed out on or at least my generation. I dont actually have any friends who dress emo or chav. But I was posed a question a few hours ago which was
If you had to dress as an emo or a chav, what would you choose?
Now think about your choice, and also post why you would choose that particular "look".
After careful consideration I decided a chav.
The reason I say this is, chav can look alright. I mean if you do it properly you can potentially fit into general society. I wear tracksuit bottoms and a hoody to go to lectures, I dont look chavvy just relaxed. Likewise you could be a cool chav with new addidas, lacoste etc. Emo just seems a bit depressing plus I couldnt tuck in my penis and balls into ladies jeans. Also I dont like wearing black that much. I prefer pink.
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Re: Emo or Chav
emo
edit: cornflakes.
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i need pictures to decide, I don't know what an 'emo' dresses like.
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I don't see what's bad about the t-shirt and the jeans. The hoodie and the cap are obviously stupid, but I always thought that was more of a chav thing. Emo people having more hair etc.
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Oh dear.
I already wear black so I'm not sure what changes I'd need to make. I don't wear tight jeans and it's not a fashion choice I'm likely to make. In any case, I find "emo" girls to be more attractive than some tracksuit wearing obscenity with a Croydon facelift hairstyle and too much fake Argos gold. So there's not much of a choice to be made.
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Likewise you could be a cool chav with new addidas, lacoste etc.
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Pig, you seem to be quite a nice guy, but you pretty much are a chav.
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Im not a chav but I do aspire to there principals, ie beer, ****, fight being my ideal friday night out. Saying that I dont dress chavvy do I?
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Re: Emo or Chav
The chav identity is quintessentially postmodern, being born out of mass-media in a way which could only have taken place under late-capitalism. Perhaps the most interesting part of the phenomenon has been the dialectic relationship betwdeen the national 'chav' archetype, and the regional texts such as the 'Glasgow Ned' from which it emerged. Although many have pointed out that these local discourses pre-existed 'chav' by many years, the synthesis undertaken within the media has formed and reflected back hyperreal aspects of the culture. The intertextual elements are highly noticable here, with the chav identity being a bricolage of many provincial lower-class stereotypes, while simultaneously serving as a focal point against which young people can define themselves. The life of a glasgow ned today is not the same as a glasgow ned 15 years ago, before he had the backdrop of 'chav' against which to self-identify.
The choice to wear the famous Burberry tartan represents a hypermodern attitude towards identity, along with the decision to take a post-ironic stance towards working-class politics. We could say that, in a sense, the adidas tracksuit has become the ultimate artefact within the discourse of camp, with its semiotic mythology taking on a multi-faceted meaning inextricably linked to the ghettoization of life in post-Thatcherite Britain. To embrace this fashion is to be liberated from the remnants of middle-class idealism, which continues to act as an oppressive force against the underpriviledged.
On the other hand, punky/mosher looking girls are pretty hot so I'm going with that.
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Emo for the simple reason that i dont want to stab emo's in the eyes whenever i see them.
I just feel sorry for them and think 'my god i wonder if they know how stupid they look'
Whereas chavs i think 'I hope they die of aids'
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i'd dress as an emo kid. even though i utterly detest their subculture and all it stands for, it has to be admitted that some of them dress pretty snappily. chavs....no.
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Re: Emo or Chav
emo, though not like emochav boy in you first link
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Never ever ever as a chav as I just can't stand the little twats.
But the whole whiney emo thing gets old quickly too.
I don't know what you'd class how I dress as, so I'll list and someone can advise me.
- Usually some sort of surf-brand tshirt, or something vaguely "funny". Standard student gear. Usually dark colours, NEVER white. Most of the time not plain as it's just too boring.
- Usually loose-fit jeans if it's coldish (ie. normally in this country), shorts that at least go below the knees or 3/4 lengths otherwise. Jeans blue. Shorts generally light colours.
- Grip-jaw belt (slightly emo I suppose)
- Slip-on trainers. Not white or black. Again these tend to be "surfey", you know the type probably. The current ones I have on now are sort of olive green mainly.
- Jumpers/tops are more varied but most of mine come from Next.
In other words, if you define a third options, "student", that's me.
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Student here.
If I had to choose chav or emo, it'd be chav - being from essex does make it easier though
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i'd dress as an emo kid. even though i utterly detest their subculture and all it stands for, it has to be admitted that some of them dress pretty snappily. chavs....no.
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Re: Emo or Chav
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There seems to be a great divide in Britains youth today
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Being emo or chav isn't in the way they look. It's in the way they act.
But emo. By a mile.
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Im not a chav but I do aspire to there principals, ie beer, ****, fight being my ideal friday night out.
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I thought you were better than that.
If fighting comes in your principles then you are a complete tosser.
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Emo girls can be very attractive.
Chav girls make me want to wretch.
I've had decent conversations with Emos in the past.
I'm not sure i've heard a chav spout a word of english in my life.
For fun, Emos tend to play instruments and generally keep themselves to themselves.
Chavs like to randomly attack people, destroy property or just generally cause more aggrevation and noise than a large herd (crash) of stampeding rhino's.
Oh, and chavs are ****s.
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Emo, they keep their anger to themselves
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I thought you were better than that.
If fighting comes in your principles then you are a complete tosser.
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it was a joke but oh well ;/
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it was a joke but oh well ;/
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Based purely on looks, I'd go for chavs.
Based on anything else, probably emo.
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I find chav men quite attractive ...
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Why isn't there a suicide option ?
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"emo", remember.
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You have something to work with, with emo kids. There's a foundation.
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I think I'd be emo, so I could just kill myself out of despair
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TBH i would rather be Emo than Chav AnyDay
Incase you guys aint seen the Emo Song? or incase you are not sure this will show u exactly what everybody means by the word emo
Click Here for the Emo Song and Video
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yeh same tune, different video tho, appears to b loads of diffo vid's still cool tho.
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Emo, so long as I dont hav 2 use txt lik this. cos this aint cool yo.
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Emo.
Better taste in music, vast vocabulary, better dress sense, less likely to be branded a criminal and different from the mainstream.
Wait, that last bit is debatable.
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Emo girls can be very attractive.
Chav girls make me want to wretch.
I've had decent conversations with Emos in the past.
I'm not sure i've heard a chav spout a word of english in my life.
For fun, Emos tend to play instruments and generally keep themselves to themselves.
Chavs like to randomly attack people, destroy property or just generally cause more aggrevation and noise than a large herd (crash) of stampeding rhino's.
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Emo.
Better taste in music, vast vocabulary, better dress sense, less likely to be branded a criminal and different from the mainstream.
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and the first bit.
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although on that note, when was the last time i mentioned i have tickets for radiohead on friday?
anyway, the thing about Chav music is that it is mostly awful. However, it's awful in earnest. The thing about emo music that to me makes it unlistenable is that even if i think "hey this is fairly well-put-together and almost enjoyable" another part of my brain kicks in with "but just think about the ****s who made it". Besides which, there's a lot of decent D&B/dance/hiphop. it's usually not the successful stuff, of course, but it's not like there's some kind of line which seperates good music from bad music and dictates four to six members with guitars, bass and drums.
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Besides which, there's a lot of decent D&B/dance/hiphop. it's usually not the successful stuff, of course, but it's not like there's some kind of line which seperates good music from bad music and dictates four to six members with guitars, bass and drums.
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sounds almost like EVERY GENRE OF MUSIC right there.
ps thom yorke's solo record is bound to flop (or be utterly overrated)
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sounds almost like EVERY GENRE OF MUSIC right there.
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Skrewdriver and Prussian Blue arent emo and My Chemical Romance isnt a chav band (its closer to emo), what are you talking about
I suppose emo music has a certain integrity to it which chav music generally doesnt. Faux-sentimentality is still sentimentality, sort of. I find most stuff that grew out of hardcore to be repugnant to listen to, but at least they seem to believe in what they're doing, which is more than you can say for most chav music.
edit: on the otherhand, you could argue that chavs have an excuse for liking shit music since theyve been brainwashed by commercialism, whereas emokids have actually managed to seek it out and brainwash themselves.
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emo, lets face it, why the hell would i want to put a crap tracksuit on with shoes
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i forgot to edit out a couple of unnecessary lines, i meant every genre's got some good acts, which are usually the lesser successful ones(even emo!)
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you misunderstood. i meant saying "compared to x y is good" doesn't matter when talking objectively, because compared to hitler, x is in with a sporting chance. i hate 50 cent (chav) i hate MCR (emo) but better them than the fascists.
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I suppose emo music has a certain integrity to it which chav music generally doesnt. Faux-sentimentality is still sentimentality, sort of. I find most stuff that grew out of hardcore to be repugnant to listen to, but at least they seem to believe in what they're doing, which is more than you can say for most chav music.
edit: on the otherhand, you could argue that chavs have an excuse for liking shit music since theyve been brainwashed by commercialism, whereas emokids have actually managed to seek it out and brainwash themselves.
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i forgot to edit out a couple of unnecessary lines, i meant every genre's got some good acts, which are usually the lesser successful ones(even emo!)
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yeh when I hear a song by a band I don't know I won't allow myself to like it until I've checked out their website and read their biography to make sure they aren't complete twats.
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yeh when I hear a song by a band I don't know I won't allow myself to like it until I've checked out their website and read their biography to make sure they aren't complete twats.
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Hang on, are we saying we don't like Skrewdriver now?
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