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Unread 17 May 2005, 18:52   #1
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Culture of respect

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4554179.stm

Im confused, what do i have to do salute every passing policeman?
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Re: Culture of respect

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Re: Culture of respect

Whatever "respect" means, it obviously doesn't extend to respecting another person's right to have views you disagree with (*cough* Incitement to Religious Hatred Bill *cough*).

Also, I love these two:

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A bill to discourage the "compensation culture" in the law courts.
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NHS Redress Bill

Sets up a new authority to allow patients to claim compensation for mistakes made by NHS hospitals.
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Re: Culture of respect

Young man, I hear you and your friends are stealing goods. But you don't even send a dress to my house. No respect! You know I've got three daughters. This is my neighborhood. You and your friends should show me some respect. You should let me wet my beak a little. I hear you and your friends cleared $600 each. Give me $200 each, for your own protection. And I'll forget the insult. You young punks have to learn to respect a man like me! Otherwise the cops will come to your house. And your family will be ruined. Of course, if I'm wrong about how much you stole, I'll take a little less. And by less, I only mean - a hundred bucks less. Now don't refuse me. Understand, paisan? Understand, paisan?... Tell your friends I don't want a lot. Just enough to wet my beak. Don't be afraid to tell them!
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I thought Respect only got about 2% of the vote?
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Re: Culture of respect

This is why you have to have a little respect

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/4554611.stm
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Re: Culture of respect

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John Carroll, 34, who witnessed the incident, said youths were a problem in the area but his brother "refused to let them get away with it".
'unprovoked attack' my arse.
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Re: Culture of respect

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This is why you have to have a little respect

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/4554611.stm
It's time to pay the bill after Thatcher.
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Re: Culture of respect

From this article

"I just keep remembering seeing Phil on the floor looking as though he was dying. Thankfully where he is now, at least he has got a fighting chance."

Oh the irony!!!
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Re: Culture of respect

we all know that the bill enforcing 'respect' only go to the heads of the police. Who are just going to PISS the normal public off.

I'm just going to get fined more for swearing
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Re: Culture of respect

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Re: Culture of respect

Respect is to be earned, and can not be forced with rules or laws.
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Re: Culture of respect

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Respect is to be earned, and can not be forced with rules or laws.
Yes, that's the problem our Dear Leader is trying to solve.
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Re: Culture of respect

Blair can go f'k himself. The hypocrite wanker has no respect for the population.

WMD my arse
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Re: Culture of respect

You cannot legislate for this type of crap. It is not up to the goernment to make people respectful. People are so ****ing lazy and ignorant these days it makes me sick. People should learn some ****ing responsibility and stop expecting the government to do everything. You cannot legislate common sense.
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Re: Culture of respect

there isn't a problem

there is a perception of a problem.

a perception of a problem harms nothing but election results.
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Re: Culture of respect

the government can't realy do anything to solve this problem (short of conscription) as it is part of the problem. People don't respect the government, other people or themselves. If chidren are not taught respect at home then there is little that can be done.
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Re: Culture of respect

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there isn't a problem

there is a perception of a problem.

a perception of a problem harms nothing but election results.
What about the psychological effect on those who feel there is a problem and act accordingly?
Is this not a problem in itself?
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What about the psychological effect on those who feel there is a problem and act accordingly?
Is this not a problem in itself?
its a very easily solved 'problem'
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its a very easily solved 'problem'
How so?
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How so?
you make it clear that there is no problem.

its like when children worry about being eaten by zombies. you can, if you choose build the child a large zombie killing ray gun and organise 24 hour zombie patrols.

or you can tell them zombies aren't real
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If you think zombies aren't real you clearly haven't attended a BNP meeting yahwe.
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its like when children worry about being eaten by zombies. you can, if you choose build the child a large zombie killing ray gun and organise 24 hour zombie patrols.

or you can tell them zombies aren't real
Seems sinple than it actually is. When there are people saying there is a problem and others saying there isn't, it's a lot harder. If the government aren't seen to be doing something they are accused of ignoring the problem or sweeping it under the carpet. People want to believe things are getting worse and that things havn't always been this shit.
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when was the last time a poltician said that there wasn't a problem?
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you make it clear that there is no problem.
How do you make it clear there is no problem? the only way to do it on a large-scale is either through the media or the government. the media won't do it as trouble sells papers. the government can't do it as the media will say they are sweeping it unde the carpet.

the problem is not as simple to solve as you have concluded.
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the problem is precisely as simple to solve as i have said.

the fact that no one has decided to solve it, or is willing to solve it, is an entirely different point.
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the problem is precisely as simple to solve as i have said.

the fact that no one has decided to solve it, or is willing to solve it, is an entirely different point.
then it makes the situation harder. If everyone tried to solve the problem then it eould be easier, but they don't. In the real world things are more complex and simple solutions are so easy to implement which makes the problem more complex than you are implying.
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merely because nobody wants to solve the problem, that doesn't affect the ease of the solution

it just means the problem will not be solved
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Having just wtched the Downfall I would have to say, no.
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merely because nobody wants to solve the problem, that doesn't affect the ease of the solution

it just means the problem will not be solved
Your solution is so far detached from reality it becmes pointless.
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its not 'detached from reality'

stop being silly

its something that could easily be done. it just hasn't been done yet

we wouldn't be talking about it if it had been done already.
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its not 'detached from reality'

stop being silly

its something that could easily be done. it just hasn't been done yet

we wouldn't be talking about it if it had been done already.
to impliment your solution, you would need to change the entire ethos of the media. that is not easy. Lots of things would be easy if everyone tried to fix it, but they don't. therefore the question becomes more complex as you have to change more than the original problem. If you don't take this into consideration then you solution becomes worthless as you aren't looking at the whole picture.
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my solution would work perfectly well with just the politicians saying it.
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my solution would work perfectly well with just the politicians saying it.
I don't think it would. Like I previousl said the media would have a field day. the politician saying there is no problem would get attacked from all side by the press, the opposition party and anyone who feels like moaning. People would not listen and the 'problem' would continue.
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if a political party (politicians are in those you see) told the truth and said there was no problem, in order to criticise an opposition party would need some evidence

then we would have a debate

in parliament (which is what it used to be used for before it was just a backdrop to peter snow)

then the truth would be clear. problem solved.

then any newspaper claiming otherwise could be officially sanctioned or castigated.


anyhoo

my original proposition was that there is no problem and thus the solution is easy and clear.

you don't appear to have grasped that.
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But whether or not there is more or less respect is purely a matter of opinion. It cannot be shown emperically therefore a debate would be pointless. If you went by increases in anti-social behaviour then the opposition would be in a better position.
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i think empirical data on anti-social behaviour is what he was refring to, seeing as that is th link with respect already established - i.e. if politicians said "it really isn't that huge of a statistic"
It can work the other way as well. the opposition would go on about how the level of anti-social behaviour has gone up in x number of years. Statistics can be used to prove anything you want.
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Re: Culture of respect

lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Re: Culture of respect

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Just further ramblings of a retarded Government who have run out of ideas, assuming they ever had any in the first place. You voted Labour, you got the Tories I hope you're proud of yourselves.
If I had the Tories I'd be happy.
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Re: Culture of respect

can i now attempt to sum up this thread by going...

"ooooh! moral panic!"

yes, its scary what a little education can do
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Re: Culture of respect

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i don't disagree, i was merely trying point out what mr.grumpy was saying

I understand what he is saying, but he is still wrong.
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Re: Culture of respect

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What IS anti-social behaviour?
Whatever you want it to be. that is part of the poblem.

It could be ASBOs, drunk and disorderly, assault levels, the number of young offenders, kids weaeing hoodies and hanging around in groups etc

there is no real problem which makes it harder to solve as nothing can really be done. Although there does seem to be a greater lack of respect it is seemingly true with every generation. People romanticise the past so much that they believe that they used to live in paridise and it is oly this generation that has lost the plot.
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Whatever you want it to be. that is part of the poblem.
then how do we have a problem?
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Re: Culture of respect

This has probably been the worst politics thread I've ever read on GD, fulled by a bad choice of words.... 'culture of respect'....

What the government need to do is to improve the quality of life, oppitunities, environment and an effective police service in these run-down little-britainesq estates (more so than they're currently doing).

'culture of respect' just winds up the same people who have hissy fits when the Daily Mail tells them they can't say something because it's politically incorrect.
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then how do we have a problem?
the problem is that people believe that there is a problem. You cannot solve this problem as the goverment is not going to put their neck on the line and say there is no problem. this is then a problem that has to be overcome before the original problem could be solved.
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Ministers have announced a new task force to tackle the culture of disrespect and unruly behaviour in schools.

The group, made up of teachers and heads who are experts in school discipline, will advise the Government on how to improve standards of behaviour.

One key part of their work will be to make sure parents take responsibility for the way their children behave, the Department for Education and Skills said.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...s.topheadlines
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Well the Government were the ones who told everyone there was a problem in the first place. Where do you think all that CCTV footage of kids walking around comes from?
When did the government say that?
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But this idea of a lack of respect isn't a new idea. It was there before he was saying about it. things such as the recent documentary about kids causing all hell in schools are a contributing factor. I feel that this is more like a preemptive strike.
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