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Unread 23 Jun 2010, 13:24   #1
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Round 37 = Boring?

This round just seems to be ticking along with little interesting/innovative tactics etc being used. Standard set of boring politics...

Galaxy systems seems to be really boring as well, priv gals having to put up with the same 7 people day in day out with no additions. Random galaxys just idling away knowing that they will end up winning because of their size.

Single Targetting doesn't help make the game any more interesting?

I'm just wondering what peoples opinions on this round are. I'm finding the round quite boring and very similar to other rounds with nothing fun going on.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

The game has been essentially the same for 20 plus rounds now and most changes are aimed at limiting the possibility of innovation. It's hardly surprising that tactics are that limited. Of course I'm not exactly sure if this is genuinely your opinion or if this thread is just an experiment to see how much loaded language you can use in one post before the universe implodes.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

Hey, next time we get 130 fleets incoming I'll let you try to cover stuff with what ingal defense we have! That way it'll be more interesting for you.

Edit: Also discuss more football in the galaxy channel please.
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Hey, next time we get 130 fleets incoming I'll let you try to cover stuff with what ingal defense we have! That way it'll be more interesting for you.

Edit: Also discuss more football in the galaxy channel please.




And JBG I am genuinely bored with the current state of the game and this galaxy system we have definitely doesn not help.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

I've said myself a few times that I'd like to see a full random gal round. Mix things up etc
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

Picking targets this round as BC has simply become silly. Everything's so fenced.

Also pro full random round, or at least a bp/random round.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

JBG - how would your random galaxy system take into account the exile system?
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

In how many rounds have the #1 and #2 allies been napped? In how many of those rounds has one of those two allies been asc?
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In how many rounds have the #1 and #2 allies been napped? In how many of those rounds has one of those two allies been asc?
In fairness, when the nap with Apprime was formed, we were 5th and Apprime were 3rd and when the nap with NewDawn was formed, they were 2nd and we were 5th.
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In fairness, when the nap with Apprime was formed, we were 5th and Apprime were 3rd and when the nap with NewDawn was formed, they were 2nd and we were 5th.
well naps can be broken! can they ?

but why would you, atm your pretty safe knowing the block cant harm you guys enough, at least not both at the same time, while you can easily concentrate on evolution at the same time

just the question which one of asc or apprime will win the roid race
cause i doubt any of you is willing to wage war with each other, sadly
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In fairness, when the nap with Apprime was formed, we were 5th and Apprime were 3rd and when the nap with NewDawn was formed, they were 2nd and we were 5th.
Lol, if someone would use that arguement against you, you'd have schred it to pieces really. So why use it yourself now?

Like Morph says, naps can be broken.
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Round is pretty much decided.

BA will probably win planet, Asc or App will win ally.
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Round is pretty much decided.

BA will probably win planet, Asc or App will win ally.
I approve of BA winning.
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Round is pretty much decided.

BA will probably win planet
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Lol, if someone would use that arguement against you, you'd have schred it to pieces really. So why use it yourself now?
If it's so easily shredded, do it.
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If it's so easily shredded, do it.
The sheer fact that if you only napped them when you were #5 and they were respectively #3 and #2 and if you would indeed be concerned that #1 and #2 would be napped and go to the finishline like that --> If that really bothered you (read: the alliance), then you'd have cancelled that nap.

But perhaps it isn't? Which is ofcourse all fair and square.
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The sheer fact that if you only napped them when you were #5 and they were respectively #3 and #2 and if you would indeed be concerned that #1 and #2 would be napped and go to the finishline like that --> If that really bothered you (read: the alliance), then you'd have cancelled that nap.
I apologise for not having done so in the whopping 18 ticks we've been #2.
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I apologise for not having done so in the whopping 18 ticks we've been #2.
Mz, I'm not saying you should have. I'm merely stating that if others would have used that arguement, you'd have shredded it into pieces. It's more a compliment then anything else really.
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just the question which one of asc or apprime will win the roid race
cause i doubt any of you is willing to wage war with each other, sadly
Have asc and app ever 'waged war' against each other when the opportunity has arisen?
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Mz, I'm not saying you should have. I'm merely stating that if others would have used that arguement, you'd have shredded it into pieces. It's more a compliment then anything else really.
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Have asc and app ever 'waged war' against each other when the opportunity has arisen?
Round 32 Asc organised a big block vs Apprime?
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just the question which one of asc or apprime will win the roid race
cause i doubt any of you is willing to wage war with each other, sadly
I can't speak for anyone else but I don't really give much of a shit about winning this round, I think we're supposed to not win anyway...
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Round is pretty much decided.

BA will probably win planet, Asc or App will win ally.
Please don't let BA win
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Being called hypocritical is not my definition of a compliment.
Well, I'm not responsible how you want to interprete what I said. I explained you what I meant. If you then still persist in interpreting it differently then how I meant it, then that is your choice.
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This is actually somewhat entertaining. First, you call me a hypocrite:
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Lol, if someone would use that arguement against you, you'd have schred it to pieces really. So why use it yourself now?
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I'm merely stating that if others would have used that arguement, you'd have shredded it into pieces.
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Well, I'm not responsible how you want to interprete what I said. I explained you what I meant. If you then still persist in interpreting it differently then how I meant it, then that is your choice.
I think you're a moron. But that's more of a compliment than anything else really.
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This is actually somewhat entertaining. First, you call me a hypocrite:


Second, you explain that, yes, you called me a hypocrite:


And then you go on to say that you've already explained that you called me a hypocrite and that I'm misunderstanding you when I say you called me a hypocrite:


I think you're a moron. But that's more of a compliment than anything else really.
Seriously, do you have the intelligence of a 2 year old? I mean, god you're so persistant in your stupidity.

Did I call you a hypocrite? Not really. For me to be able to call you a hypocrite, you aught to have been in the situation I accuse you of being a hypocrite in. Which you haven,'t as I said "if someone would use that arguement against you, you'd have schred it to pieces really". Mind the IF, indicating the situation did not occur "yet".

Since it didn't occur yet, how on earth could I be calling you a hypocrite? Explain me that please.

Everything I said is valid. Your assumptions are all based on me calling you a hypocrite. since I just proved to you that this is technically not possible, accept that your assumptions were completely wrong.

But ok, rather then trying to understand my point (I'll tell it in PM should you still fail to understand what I initially said), insult me. that's far easier nway.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

Oh, no, no, no. I didn't insult you. I merely said you were stupid. But if you persist on interpreting it another way, that's your choice.
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just the question which one of asc or apprime will win the roid race
cause i doubt any of you is willing to wage war with each other, sadly
It is indeed really sad that we're not brave enough to drop the NAP with apprime and join the other 4 alliances who are going to hit them. Our lack of testicular fortitude really is something amazing
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Oh, no, no, no. I didn't insult you. I merely said you were stupid. But if you persist on interpreting it another way, that's your choice.
I have no ill intentions towards you. I didn't mean anything insulting towards you (as I explained to you in PM).

But ok, call me stupid. so be it.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

It's a boring round, you need massive overkill to land on top galaxies.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

You always need massive overkill to land on top galaxies, why would this round be any different....?
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

You can't need overkill. That's the definition of overkill.
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...no more of this ST tbh, there's limits how annoyed I get if some newb can launch a theoretically succesfull wave to me even if i'm 10-20 times he's size in fleet value just because of races and if I kill 95% of he's fleet.. he's still on + side in the score.. I mean gimme a break.

God help us when end of this round comes, everyone who's outside top100 can launch at top10 planets and jump insane amounts if they got rightkind of fleet and enough pods.
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In fairness, when the nap with Apprime was formed, we were 5th and Apprime were 3rd and when the nap with NewDawn was formed, they were 2nd and we were 5th.
How many rounds has asc not started 1/2 but climbed there later in the round (or been clearly stronger than allies ahead of them)? In further fairness, app and asc have been 1/2 more than any other ally, but that still doesn't answer my question.
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How many rounds has asc not started 1/2 but climbed there later in the round (or been clearly stronger than allies ahead of them)?
Paging JBG to thread 198741. JBG to 198741.

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In further fairness, app and asc have been 1/2 more than any other ally, but that still doesn't answer my question.
One could argue that we were stronger (in part) because our politics were good. Plus, in at least some of those cases we ended up #1 which left no incentive for us to break naps. At all, ever.
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In how many rounds have the #1 and #2 allies been napped? In how many of those rounds has one of those two allies been asc?
Round 29, ascendancy and ct, round 31 ascendancy and xvx, round 33, ascendancy and evolution (although this is a bit arguable considering evo only overtook apprime on the final day of the round when cardi kicked a ton of people from tag) and round 34, ascendancy and apprime.

As regards rounds in pa history where the final #1 and #2 allies have been napped: Round 2, Round 3, Round 5, Round 7, Round 8, Round 9, Round 10, Round 10.5, Round 13, Round 18, Round 22, Round 25 and the rounds mentioned above.

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How many rounds has asc not started 1/2 but climbed there later in the round
Assuming this means finished as #1/#2 Round 16, 21, 26, 29, 30 and 34.

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I don't know what this means. I don't think we've ever significantly underachieved except in round 25 when distwhoring was such a cap on our score though.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

Zebra, to roid a galaxy and to have a single race fleet theoretically roiding me solo are two different things.

If someone needs massive overkill aka 3-4 alliances to roid single galaxy they just suck ass or stats do, this time it's the single targetting stats what are in fault with salvage rules. So yer round is boring as hell, I have given exactly one day my full concentration to gain roids, rest of the time it's 20mins to pick/launch with my team up cbk.

edited: and in my estimate Asc isn't overpowering strong, too many forts and way too top heavy, if they get concentrated on, they will loose roids if not for any other reason then the zik dominance in their alliance.
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assuming this means finished as #1/#2 round 16, 21, 26, 29, 30 and 34.
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

I m so glad I m not playing this round.

But hey! ST rounds are alot more fun!!!!!!
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Re: Round 37 = Boring?

Private galaxies need to be broken up, as right now, these organisations are dictating alliance politics, when really politics are for alliances to decide. The flip side for alliances getting back this power is that they have to manage politics and defence based on the cards they are dealt, so in a random round, they have a different kind of challenge to deal with. If we do random we should also try and compartmentalise the universe (clusters) to further encourage interaction between players.

What we should do to promote more interesting rounds is to force alliance to manage their resources better and to focus on political relationships of real convenience to gain the edge over their opposition.
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Of course a round gets boring when Newdawn get to set the example of how much one should 'NAP eachother.
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Of course a round gets boring when Newdawn get to set the example of how much one should 'NAP eachother.
Don't blame us for cardi being quite simply impossible to work with.
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I m so glad I m not playing this round.

But hey! ST rounds are alot more fun!!!!!!
I was thinking of replying something intelligent, but I'm just going to come down to the level that makes the same difference:

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Private galaxies need to be broken up, as right now, these organisations are dictating alliance politics, when really politics are for alliances to decide.
Wouldn't people then just use tactical exiling to create private gals or has that been fixed in some way?
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Wouldn't people then just use tactical exiling to create private gals or has that been fixed in some way?
Tbh the whole idea of exiling is abit far fetched and I never really favoured it. Ok, so you end up in an inactive galaxy ... tough luck. More luck next round?
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Tbh the whole idea of exiling is abit far fetched and I never really favoured it. Ok, so you end up in an inactive galaxy ... tough luck. More luck next round?
During the time you were away it was demonstrated that it is entirely possible to exile into exactly the galaxy that you would like to end up in given a few attempts - and if you were small enough when you started exiling it was cheap.

It had to be timed right, but it was certainly doable - don't know if anything has been done to prevent it.
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Wouldn't people then just use tactical exiling to create private gals or has that been fixed in some way?
The word "fixed" implies there was a problem, which I don't think there was. You can now only exile once per 3 ticks, though, if that answers your question.
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Tbh the whole idea of exiling is abit far fetched and I never really favoured it. Ok, so you end up in an inactive galaxy ... tough luck. More luck next round?
Don't think that's a good solution to offer a paying customer.

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Don't think that's a good solution to offer a paying customer.

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