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Unread 7 Jun 2010, 14:15   #1
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politics this round

Sooo.... what's up with all the silence? No wars/evil NAPs? Nothing?
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Re: politics this round

everyone is roiding random gals
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everyone is roiding random gals
Was it this bad last round?
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Re: politics this round

theres two main new allainces from last round. shoudlnt there be some new alliance politics/hatreds/bonding?

Is it a 3 way fight for top with nd/exi the kingmakers?


3 ways are dangerous cos 1 will always suffer/gain from other twos decisions. Id imagine the top 3 allies aware of this so dont want an all out war quite yet.

I know from Osiris its def not random gal targetting anyway
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Was it this bad last round?
Most private galaxies seem to have all big alliances represented in them and random galaxies naturally have a big selection of alliances as well. I didn't play last round but I heard there were more pure private galaxies then, which would make the whole thing less of a fencesitting parade.
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Unread 8 Jun 2010, 09:27   #6
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Re: politics this round

How cute, the Asc PR team is getting worried they might end up unemployed this round. Their dedication is truely heroic.
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How cute, the Asc PR team is getting worried they might end up unemployed this round. Their dedication is truely heroic.
I know planetarion revolves around ascendancy but there's no need to talk about us all the time kj.
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Unread 8 Jun 2010, 13:47   #8
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I think there sure is a need for that, JBG. Especially if one of your members is so eagerly drawing the attention by making this thread in the first place.
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Unread 8 Jun 2010, 15:38   #11
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Re: politics this round

Do try to keep this ontopic. Just because the thread was made by someone in Ascendancy is no reason to have yet another thread about us.
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Do try to keep this ontopic. Just because the thread was made by someone in Ascendancy is no reason to have yet another thread about us.
You did kinda bring that on yourself by driving away almost every poster who didn't agree with you and derailing a huge amount of threads yourself over the last couple of years...

Seems a bit strange that suddenly you don't want "yet another thread about us."...



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You did kinda bring that on yourself by driving away almost every poster who didn't agree with you and derailing a huge amount of threads yourself over the last couple of years...

Seems a bit strange that suddenly you don't want "yet another thread about us."...



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You did kinda bring that on yourself by driving away almost every poster who didn't agree with you and derailing a huge amount of threads yourself over the last couple of years...

Seems a bit strange that suddenly you don't want "yet another thread about us."...
There's a bit of a difference between the natural evolution of threads and going from one topic to a totally unrelated one in a single post.

In any case I'm not really looking to have a long drawn out discussion on this. If you have something to say about the politics of the round, feel free to continue posting. If you want to talk about how evil Ascendancy are, feel free to make a thread about it.
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Re: politics this round

I find it odd that an Asc member created this thread, surely Asc knows the political situation this round and as they're "open" (or they love to point out there an open alliance) why wouldnt ricoshay know?

This seems like a question ricoshay would of asked in his alliance channel and got the answer straght away, rather than making a thread on it. The politics of this rounds war are basically in place and the sides of each of the top 5 alliances are basically decided (Except ND, who may decide to fence.. if not now, later on).

Strikes me as strange. Asc wants a full blown war.. so they can hide behind Apprime and as such, not get targetted which would give them another easy round.

o and Mz, questioning why someone made a topic.. is no offtopic when talking about politics of the round, considering the forums have been used numerous times by Asc to sway politics and this topic was made by an Asc person.
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Unread 8 Jun 2010, 18:33   #16
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Re: politics this round

You could ask him, instead of just assuming we have some nefarious plot to rule the universe involving the question "what's going on?" (though I admit, that would be truly diabolical). Wanting something and asking about something: not the same thing.
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lets talk about me or my mum instead.
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I think we've all had enough of both of you for a while.
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I find it odd that an Asc member created this thread, surely Asc knows the political situation this round and as they're "open" (or they love to point out there an open alliance) why wouldnt ricoshay know?
If you read the post and ignore the raging ad hominem for a second, you'll note the post was more about a lack of commentary on the subject and wanting to start discussion more than anything. As a former moderator, I am pro discussion about pretty much anything.

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This seems like a question ricoshay would of asked in his alliance channel and got the answer straght away, rather than making a thread on it.
He could have, but he'd probably have a quite blinkered view then, wouldn't he? How about a debate to open the mind?

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The politics of this rounds war are basically in place and the sides of each of the top 5 alliances are basically decided (Except ND, who may decide to fence.. if not now, later on).
Then why not discuss this and its potential ramifications? It sounds far more interesting than deliberating over the motives over why someone from Ascendancy decided to make a post.

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Strikes me as strange.
Is debate and discussion beyond you or something?

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Asc wants a full blown war..
Absolutely bang on here, won't deny it and I'm not even playing this one. We're absolutely pro war, as that involves playing the game instead of playing swap the roid and seeing fencers win for relatively little effort. My only conclusion from this is that you're pro stagnation and fencing, although like most people who are in favour of this position, only when it suits yourself. You'ld rather grow your way to a win than actually go out to win one convincingly.

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We've never hidden behind anybody. In fact quite often we hit as provocatively as we can.

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o and Mz, questioning why someone made a topic.. is no offtopic when talking about politics of the round, considering the forums have been used numerous times by Asc to sway politics and this topic was made by an Asc person.
But on this occasion, no attempt was made in the initial post or indeed any other post by the thread starter, so why make an issue of it? In fairness to mz, once he sees people invent stuff like this to distract from the crux of the thread which is "what's going on hey lets discuss" it can reach a breaking point where he says "offtopic". As the moderator he knows best (I wouldn't have appointed him if I didn't think he couldn't make tough decisions) and quite frankly can legitimately expect other users to defer to that judgment.

If all you can muster is total fiction and paranoia regarding what players from Ascendancy post, feel free - we'll just have threads that go nowhere. If you want to talk about politics this round, we might have an interesting thread. Your choice, really.

So my question is this: are you interested in debating the current politics of this round, or have you deemed it not to your advantage to do so?
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You did kinda bring that on yourself by driving away almost every poster who didn't agree with you and derailing a huge amount of threads yourself over the last couple of years...

Seems a bit strange that suddenly you don't want "yet another thread about us."...



PS: by you I don't mean you personally but the ascendancy forum troll crew + boytoys.
I think that whilst there is an abundance of Asc posters on these forums, the whole "Asc forums crew" and Ascendancy's supposed domination of the forums is highly exaggerated, which makes people stay away from the forums (and contributes to the fact that there are more asc posters than any other alliance)

You do also get posters who aren't Asc that make pretty decent points and they're fine - Hanzi has made decent posts at times, Light can make sense sometimes too (eg. owning GM on that PD thread). That said they're both idiots a lot of the time (see Light's contribution to this thread). Just need more people who can make decent points and argue well that aren't in Ascendancy.
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I think that whilst there is an abundance of Asc posters on these forums, the whole "Asc forums crew" and Ascendancy's supposed domination of the forums is highly exaggerated, which makes people stay away from the forums (and contributes to the fact that there are more asc posters than any other alliance)
If anything the dominant meme on the forums these days is "o what's the point of posting it's just ascendancy discussions!!!"

Just look at this thread. An Ascendancy member starts a thread with a fairly normal question (we've actually had loads of threads like these over the rounds), gets one Ascendancy reply, one DLR, one Osiris, another ascendancy response and suddenly it's all accused of being an Ascendancy PR operation followed by a hopeless attempt to get things back to some semblance of a topic, briefly interrupted by 2 people posting "o what's the point etc", and then finally light finds the thread and we're doomed to having to wade through her inability to actually respond to another post without breaking it down into individual letters. Fan ****ing Tastic.

Personally I'd be pro some stricter moderating which involved deleting posts like kj's. I mean seriously, does anyone here believe he actually intended to contribute to any sort of discussion like that? At best it was an attempt to stop the thread from developing and at worst it was outright trolling.

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Edit: Amusingly light has since deleted her post, which was probably the best in the thread since kjel spouted his verbal diarrhoea all over it, which actually talked about the current state of alliances in the game briefly.
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I remembered im not actually allowed to discuss proper alliance politics on the forums anymore
Am I correct in inferring that Osiris have banned you from posting about alliance politics?
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Re: politics this round

I'll post just to have someone from CT on the thread in order to make it a "more well balanced" thread. So there.

P.S. I don't follow ally politics, so no clue!
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Re: politics this round

I have seen signs of some targeting in the top now and then, but aside from that I have had little time to follow the politics of the round. On a general note though, this compare graph may be interesting to those who have had the same lack of time as I have.

It seems pretty obvious that Apprime has been taking more losses than the other alliance in the top 5 so far, with Evolution recently taking a big hit. Ascendancy seems to be off to a slow start, but are catching up on roids. It's still early so the dips don't mean that much, but hey it's better than no information at all. Ticking for score Evolution have a solid lead but it has not been increasing much for some time. At this point there's only 6 million between #1 and #5, which means the round is still wide-open, but I think no one hadn't already figured that out.
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As a tagless player, I was having fun covoping people, untill they decided to get security and ruin my fun! God damn ruiners ruin everything.

But yeah, someone needs to mention something about politics in this thread please, it's been rather retarded so far!

I heard Evolution has been targetting NewDawn a lot....?
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Haven't been approached myself yet, so know shit so far.
But seems to me Evolution took some heat the other night, but no signs of any serious block being formed yet. A welcome distraction after past couple of rounds.

Seems to me that none of the top 5 alliances are willing to make a move that can get them burned.
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As the moderator he knows best (I wouldn't have appointed him if I didn't think he couldn't make tough decisions) and quite frankly can legitimately expect other users to defer to that judgment.
Remarkable that most former and current mods (Jester, Lokken, JBG, Mz) have been or still are playing in Asc

I'm not implying anything, just that it could be seen as rather amusing. Especially when Mz steps in because the thread went offtopic (as it started to become a discussion between JBG and me).

I'm being very careful here, so don't claim I'm accusing anyone of anything aye. I'm just observing
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Personally I'd be pro some stricter moderating which involved deleting posts like kj's. I mean seriously, does anyone here believe he actually intended to contribute to any sort of discussion like that? At best it was an attempt to stop the thread from developing and at worst it was outright trolling.
So your pathetic attempt to mock has a noble intention to contribute to this discussion?

More funny that you ignore tons of other posts going offtopic (in other threads), some which you contribute to all the time, but seem to focus on 1 little sentence I posted, which was indeed offtopic and more meant as a mild provocation.

Which surprises me even more as you're doing that ALL THE TIME, but if someone does it to your alliance, you suddenly want stricter modding. Ok ...
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If you have any problems with the selection of moderators, may I suggest to take that up in the appropriate channels instead of polluting this forum with your drivel (That would probably be the PA team). If you have any problems with the moderating, may I suggest you talk to the moderator in question.

If your problem is simply that you can't help but act like a dick, then by all means keep going.
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If you have any problems with the selection of moderators, may I suggest to take that up in the appropriate channels instead of polluting this forum with your drivel (That would probably be the PA team). If you have any problems with the moderating, may I suggest you talk to the moderator in question.

If your problem is simply that you can't help but act like a dick, then by all means keep going.
I have no problem. It appears to be you and JBG that have a problem with me.
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I have no problem. It appears to be you and JBG that have a problem with me.
I'm quite frankly offended on behalf of the PA team over what you insinuated.
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I'm quite frankly offended on behalf of the PA team over what you insinuated.
Yes well, that is indeed your problem then. Feel free to discuss this in PM if you like rather then derailing this thread even more.
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The thread was derailed at this specific point in time:

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How cute, the Asc PR team is getting worried they might end up unemployed this round. Their dedication is truely heroic.
Also, funny how you do not play anymore but still feel the need to share your useless input/trolling comments in threads about current day politics. Not that anyone actually cares about them...
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Re: politics this round

On topic: Politics this round seem to be going into a set direction, however with the losses on each side, it seems like we have a prolonged period of swap the roid. Which means crashing discipline (or well recall discipline) will matter a lot.

Off topic: Kjel, can you please stop posting on Ascendancy Discussion?
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I find it odd that an Asc member created this thread, surely Asc knows the political situation this round and as they're "open" (or they love to point out there an open alliance) why wouldnt ricoshay know?

This seems like a question ricoshay would of asked in his alliance channel and got the answer straght away, rather than making a thread on it. The politics of this rounds war are basically in place and the sides of each of the top 5 alliances are basically decided (Except ND, who may decide to fence.. if not now, later on).

Strikes me as strange.
Seriously speaking, Light, you are paranoid.

I, the covopper, am not interested whatsoever in influencing the course of politics this round.
I, the player, was just curious about the current state of affairs between Osiris/Evo/ND/App.
I, the Ascendancy member, am sad about you hiring guards just after I blew a building of yours.
I, the human being, wish you a nice recovery from the effects of paranoia and I, still the human being, hope that the evil men in black wont get you soon.
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Re: politics this round

Henceforth, I will delete posts in this thread if they are not about the politics of the round.

[edit] That's two. Anyone else?
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Re: politics this round

Let's take the opportunity to evaluate the round's politics somewhat.

First off it appears that everyone is tagged so the rankings aren't "lying" at the minute. On top, with an average roid and value advantage, is Evolution. This has been pretty steady since the start. Most people's militarily strongest alliance, Apprime has been struggling this round. Not favoured by the existence of 3 core galaxies, strange given their success in fencing last round, which makes targeting them easier they've come under fire from both Evo and Osiris. For Ascendancy's part we stepped in a few days to try and level the playing field. However, as far as I'm aware, nothing is set in stone. Evo on top, mild attempt to pin them down. Fairly straightforward really!
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sounds like i'm not missing much....
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meh.

Top 3 alliances are roughly even and although no blocks have been officially formed yet, Apprime has hit Evo with Asc (and ND i think) in a co-ordinated attack already which sorta shows that Asc is likely to join up with Apprime should they require it.


The only reason Apprime are abit behind is due to them creating fortress galaxys, so when Evo or Osiris decide to hit Apprime.. they can get alot of coverage on Apprime planets. While Apprime cant do the same to Evo or Osiris as they're fenced, lowering there attacking force on Evo/Osiris planets. Its causing major problems for them, as Evo and Osiris have some galaxys which are fenced together, so when Apprime targets these galaxys.. it annoys both alliances and then makes it likely that Apprime gets targetted by Evo and Osiris (un-coordinated just retal'ing for the previous nights attack).

Its not just galaxy raiding at the moment, its just Apprime/Evo/Osiris targetting each other by themselves (with the exception of the Apprime/Asc/ND attack two nights ago). The main reason no blocks have formed, as it would force an anti-block to form with the rest of the universe, so there is no real advantage to blocking at the moment.

carDi has took a different approach this round and has been pm'ing every alliance and telling them Apprime loves them (Although sometimes, targetting them the night they say it).

The round is extremly open at the moment, i'd say any of the top3 can finish #1. I dont think ND have the members to come through a war where they're being targetting and maintain enough value to keep the #1 spot (if they get it). ND is more likely to join one side but then fence when it suits them or just fence at the start and join the war later.

I think this round may be a good round, considering we now have 3 alliances who are actually capable of war'ing. I strongly doubt Evo/Osiris/Apprime will resort to fencing
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Let's take the opportunity to evaluate the round's politics somewhat.

First off it appears that everyone is tagged so the rankings aren't "lying" at the minute. On top, with an average roid and value advantage, is Evolution. This has been pretty steady since the start. Most people's militarily strongest alliance, Apprime has been struggling this round. Not favoured by the existence of 3 core galaxies, strange given their success in fencing last round, which makes targeting them easier they've come under fire from both Evo and Osiris. For Ascendancy's part we stepped in a few days to try and level the playing field. However, as far as I'm aware, nothing is set in stone. Evo on top, mild attempt to pin them down. Fairly straightforward really!
Ah, I see, so that was the justification, didn't get a chance to speak with you yet so glad I can read it here. "levelling the playing field", well, it's a nice sentiment, just a shame it was justified with incorrect facts. I dunno what you were told or your understandings of the situation when you joined the 3some gangbang, but I don't believe we've hit more than 4 apprime targets in any nights attacks at all so far this round. Your attempts to level up an Evo/Osiris vs Apprime fight has clearly been misguided since there is no Evo/Osiris. Conversely, you could just say you hit us cos we were fat, which would have been fine justification in itself.

My take on politics is that the top 5 is very even, its nice, just a shame it takes 3 of them to roid evo :P. Some 1 vs 1 fights would be nice and actually show peoples real strengths. As far as I can tell, Osiris are doing a very very fine job vs Apprime "solo", however much they might hate to admit this and ND seems to have had fun targetting evo for the past week with limited (no) success until Apprime/Asc backed them up.

Remains to be seen what direction the round takes over the next couple of nights since Osiris have been allowed to grow with low incs while the other 3 top 5 target evo. The round does look to be shaping up nicely for a 5 way fight and I'm happy to be apart of bringing a close/interesting round back to PA.
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Re: politics this round

In fairness even if there was no concentrated targeting of Apprime it's pretty clear that they were falling behind Osiris and Evolution. Obviously it had something to do with being fat, if you were top with dick all roids I doubt we'd have done anything. Top with more roids than anyone else is a different scenario though.

I also find it rather absurd that in the same breath you say the top 5 is very even but it takes 3 of them to roid evo. Doesn't quite make sense.
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Re: politics this round

He just forgot to mention that evolution scattershotted it's members all around the universe and round is single targetting one what makes 1vs1 fights very hard vs scattershotted alliances in fenced gals.

and tbh if someone actually thinks this is "war", this isn't even close to real war in pa just in a skirmish state still.
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Re: politics this round

LordN, you are ND, with pretty much no gals with 3+ members in it. How ironic that you would say we scattered our members. We had no restrictions on our members gals pre-round hence why we have 4/5 member gals and an 8 man gal that ISN'T just a HC/DC defence leech gal.

And no JBG, I didn't say you NEED 3 allies to roid evo, but well, you guys seem to think you do, even though score wise we ARE so close. Like I said, 1 on 1 fights with similar scores involved, would be nice and show the real strength of allies this round but no one, except Osiris, it seems, is capable of taking a fight to any one alliance by themselves and I applaud them for it.
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Re: politics this round

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In fairness even if there was no concentrated targeting of Apprime it's pretty clear that they were falling behind Osiris and Evolution. Obviously it had something to do with being fat, if you were top with dick all roids I doubt we'd have done anything. Top with more roids than anyone else is a different scenario though.

I also find it rather absurd that in the same breath you say the top 5 is very even but it takes 3 of them to roid evo. Doesn't quite make sense.
Asc is closing in on Apprime and if the current trend continues, Asc will be on overtake Apprime.

So, i may be reading too much into it but i'd be surprised if Asc wasnt ready to block with Apprime to help them stop Evo and Osiris gaining too much of a lead (where the fight for #1 would become between 2 alliances).

I dont really see the situation changing much for a while, where Evo and Osiris both try to gain as big a lead as possible while trying to slowing Apprimes growth and Apprime continues to fight to slow Evo and Osiris's growth which is proving difficult for them due to Evo and Osiris having a more fenced galaxy approach and Apprime being fortressed (and when they hit one alliance, they allow the other alliance to grow).

I originally thought that the round was between 3 alliances but looking over the growth rates of the top5, it does seem to be a case where any of the top5 can finish #1 this round depending on the politics they play. It does look to be a good round, as 4 of those 5 alliances are up for war and war by themselves if required (Im unsure if ND have the strength or will to war another top alliance by itself).

Im just glad it hasnt turned into a block war yet and every alliance is still by themselves, although that will change as the round progresses

P.S. im surprised at the amount of crashing thats been going on already this round!
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Re: politics this round

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P.S. im surprised at the amount of crashing thats been going on already this round!
Weird, I personally haven't seen a single crash.
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LordN crashed on me
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