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Unread 27 Jan 2014, 23:54   #1
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r 5 5 mid round sumup

So what's happening.
Apprime seem to be roiding well, same with faceless who are pretty plump.
ROCK seems to be on top of things politicaly and CT seems to be strong with no war with Vikings this round.
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There's more diversity without blocks.
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There's more diversity without blocks.
I think its more due to no top tier alliances this round.
Nobody seems to be all around good enough.
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I think its more due to no top tier alliances this round.
Nobody seems to be all around good enough.
There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.
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There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.
Wich ones?
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There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.
All competing alliances have more than 50 members
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All competing alliances have more than 50 members
There's a difference between "competing" and "top tier/competent". Of course all the competing alliances are above 50, anyone below this can't win due to numbers.
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There's a difference between "competing" and "top tier/competent".
Then let me repeat Butcher's question: what top tier alliances playing this round have less than 50 players?
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Then let me repeat Butcher's question: what top tier alliances playing this round have less than 50 players?
I purposely ignored that question.
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There's a difference between "competing" and "top tier/competent". Of course all the competing alliances are above 50, anyone below this can't win due to numbers.
Most alliances can basicly be a top tier alliance if they choose to kick deadweight by this logic?
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I purposely ignored that question.
You make a general statement, but when pushed, are unwilling (or, more likely unable) to back it up with specifics. OK.
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No, I just find the trolls boring nowadays.
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Ah yes. Disagree with something? Losing an argument? The solution is simple! Accuse everyone of being trolls and claim the moral high ground. Welcome to AD.

I am genuinely interested in hearing which alliances with fewer than 50 players you consider 'top tier'. I wasn't getting ready for a hilarious smackdown, you know, I was just curious.

Here's what I think: there are no top tier alliances this round. The only ones who could make that claim are Ultores and Apprime, and neither seem to be bothered enough to play on that level.

I'm assuming Vikings was your candidate; It's a good alliance, but not top tier. Come back when you've truly dominated multiple rounds, like Ultores and Apprime both have.
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing. Prior to last round, Apprime struggled to hold their roids.

And no I was not suggesting that Vikings are a top tier alliance. I was clearly suggesting that the smaller tags are more efficient at holding their roids than the larger ones.

Of the full tags, I would say that Spore are the only ones who are competent enough to hold their roids.

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Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing. Prior to last round, Apprime struggled to hold their roids.

And no I was not suggesting that Vikings are a top tier alliance. I was clearly suggesting that the smaller tags are more competent at holding their roids than the larger ones.

Of the full tags, I would say that Spore are the only ones who are competent enough to hold their roids.
Just cos they don't play on that level recently, doesn't mean they didn't use to be dominant, like MZ said
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Just cos they don't play on that level recently, doesn't mean they didn't use to be dominant, like MZ said
You're talking years ago, this debate is clearly about current alliances.
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

Of course, I'm just talking potentials. There are no alliances playing this round at a top-tier level.

I hate how pretentious that sounds, but there you have it.

Apparently we're sort of agreeing! See how nice this is? Perfectly pleasant conversation! Don't expect bogiemen under every bed.

Especially not your mum's.

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Ah yes. Disagree with something? Losing an argument? The solution is simple! Accuse everyone of being trolls and claim the moral high ground. Welcome to AD.

I am genuinely interested in hearing which alliances with fewer than 50 players you consider 'top tier'. I wasn't getting ready for a hilarious smackdown, you know, I was just curious.

Here's what I think: there are no top tier alliances this round. The only ones who could make that claim are Ultores and Apprime, and neither seem to be bothered enough to play on that level.

I'm assuming Vikings was your candidate; It's a good alliance, but not top tier. Come back when you've truly dominated multiple rounds, like Ultores and Apprime both have.
Good post. You should moderate AD....
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Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing.
So far from the truth...but we'll let your fickle mind wander.

ROCK this round are trolling Apprime because they can't really war anyone else.

Faceless seem organised and in with a shot for t3 finish.

Spore and CT gonna battle it out for #1 but I reckon HR will get the last laughs come the end of the round.

In the words of some circus dwharf, Ultores will probably end up winning because of agar3s to be honest, as he will be the only one who will bother DCing.
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Ult won by t1.
App backstabbed, cheated and did dirty politics to help ult.
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You're talking years ago, this debate is clearly about current alliances.
That might be, but they were still dominant back then, and they are still playing now..
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I hear that CT are getting roided tonight....
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I hear that CT are getting roided tonight....
Blocked = roided ?
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Well you seem to be in the know Butcher, please share with the group
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Well you seem to be in the know Butcher, please share with the group
Im not in the know, hence the question.
You saying that CT is loosing roids before most allies launch must be in the know.
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

Well it seems that Ult, HR, Faceless and Vikings hit CT today.

The reason for it I'm not too sure, it's not like they're in the lead or anything.

Maybe the above block are going to go for Spore tonight, or maybe they're gonna keep targeting CT and when they're done, move onto Spore, who knows.

I'm just making wild assumptions, I have no idea what's going on
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

Looks like Spore/CT/ND vs ult/vikings, unsure of faceless' involvement but HR/ROCK/App are just gal raiding
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It's good to see you are still here spouting shit about your current alliances impartiality to anything that happens in the universe.
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It's good to see you are still here spouting shit about your current alliances impartiality to anything that happens in the universe.
Oh, no, im sure the Ult block will come for the alliance i am in aswell in the future, thats how Ult always has and still are playing their game, by ganging up.
Though it dosnt change the fact that im impartial in all of it.
It looks like another round for ND to me...
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Its good i can go onto here to get updates on what Spore apparently is doing
Hey man, if you have better info please post it. Bare in mind I posted before attacks were launched. It did say "looks like" not "SPORE IS FOR SHURES DOING DIZ"
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Oh, no, im sure the Ult block will come for the alliance i am in aswell in the future, thats how Ult always has and still are playing their game, by ganging up.
You guys are AWESOME at ironic posts
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Ult are gangbanging like a mother****er from what i hear
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You guys are AWESOME at ironic posts
Im not trying to be ironic, just the history Ultores have had in the past.
I have no Clue whats happening this round, as im not realy paying attention, wich you mightve noticed from the little Activity on AD lately
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Im not trying to be ironic, just the history Ultores have had in the past.
I have no Clue whats happening this round, as im not realy paying attention, wich you mightve noticed from the little Activity on AD lately
oh man i have been lolling at this so much....

a) you are the only person actually repeatedly posting on AD atm, everyone else is just one off posts mocking you.

b) I am loving this notion of Ult being gangbangers. I played in Ult for one round and ended up allied to them with my alliance in most they played. Bar the first round this is how a round would play out for Ultores;

Tick 1-500: GET gangbanged by 5-6 alliances.

Tick 500-700: Get an ally on side and pick off the gangbangers one by one via NAPS or retals until the gangbangers fall apart due to lack of interest.

Tick 700-1000: Go on offensive and XP land all over the main aggressors of the gangbang for big roids and score, catching up and overtaking everyone to etablish a large value and score lead.

Tick 1000-1176: Defend again as whole universe attacks them but do a far better job because now have a large value lead over the rest.

Tick 1176: WIN


This is the tactic that they employed basically every round they played. Ultores were not these big bad gangbangers that you like to make out Bitcher that ruined PA. They were just more effiecent at it than the rest and always did it in retaliation to others.
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Yes Ult are actually ganging up on CT at the moment, so they get 1/7 of a deserved payback after CT and theyr block ganged up on Ult for 7 rounds. Ult have a history of being ganged upon, not ganging up, which is why find your posts very ironic
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Kaiba: Thanks alot for bringing the reality to the table, with exactly the same experience i've had (tho 6 rounds in Ult for me), but havent had the oppurtunity to put into words in the same organized way.
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

Also..... IMO..... *Disclaimer* (this my own opinion and not a flame)

There is 5 teirs of alliance within this game over the past 15 rounds

1) Top Teir - Ultores/Apprime/FanG

Im not sure if Ascendancy played in the last 15 rounds but they would be put in here too. Basically these 4 alliances have dominated the top 4 slots for many rounds of PA. Apprime might be lazy and trolling now but they were and can still be a devestating war machine when they want to be. When Irvine was running FanG they were nigh on inpenetrable defensively. Ultores were a political juggernaut that steamrollered everyone. Asc were probably the complete alliance and the main members did disperse into the other 3 alliances mainly.

ND teir: NewDawn are kind of a weird alliance. For the most part they drop into the mid teir alliance catergory but it seems when MM HCs for them that he has an ability to get 110% out of the members and they are capable of winning a round. They are a completely different alliance when he is incharge, that is why i have given them there own teir.

Mid Teir: CT, Vikings, Spore, xVx

These alliances are always there or there abouts. They dont have the planet management skills to see a round out though. Can be quite politically shortsighted or naive when it matters too. That is basically what seperates them from the top teir and why unless kingmade (hello CT) by a top teir alliance they will never win PA under their own steam, they crack like an egg when the shit hits the fan.

Lower Teir - HR/ROCK/Inneundo/DFWTK/any other alliance of 40 members in the last 10 rounds.

Never can compete with the bigger boys when it matters, they play more for social enjoyment. There is nothing wrong with this and they are all great alliances. Just competing wise it is never gonna happen for them over a full round.

The rest - Basically all those 20 and under tags that have played together. Not a lot to say, probably the most effective ones have been FOCKERS or ToF which could be a real thorn in the side of major alliances early round.


There have ofc been exceptions to this like when ROCK took in 30 brazilians and probably stepped up a teir for a round so and so on, or one round alliances like Evo and so on, but for the most part no alliance has stepped up into the top teir alliance in the last 15 rounds.
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Re: r 5 5 mid round sumup

In my recent memory of PA r45 ult came in preblocked with XvX, R49 they blocked vs FAnG, and every round since theyve not been close.
Clearly the last rounds been dominated by App, ND and CT, none of these you would call hardcore alliances i assume.
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Jeezez! are you so stuck in your fantasy world that you cant see the difference between a continued friendship naturally resulting in a nap? (with the purpose of watching each others back when CT comes with a block to gangbang them, which was automaticly expected to happen within 250-300 ticks after 2 rounds). And ofc Ultores had to make counterblocks to make playing pa even worth the time when being ganged upon for 300-700 ticks a round, and its perfectly natural that the counterblock hits the stongest of the gangbangers. Moralwise they should always hit CT who started the whole thing except from FAnG once only, but they had to hit FAnG which was almost as strong as Ult when Irvine DC'ed. And maybe
Ult hit someone with another ally once or twice without it being counterblocking (not that i can remember tho), but who wouldnt be angry at certain allys (especially CT) after being ganged upon by 3-4 allys half a round for several rounds in a row. And you completly speak against yourself regarding Ultores abilitys, some posts saying Ult needs a block to win (because CT is much better? lmao! FAnG is touching the potential with Irvine in it, but they didnt play or competed all those rounds.. shame they werent intrested on a 1 on 1 war for the win as they were the only worthy opponents.), in other posts you cry about how Ult promotes "eliteism" which you call it.
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Please don't put us in the same category as CT.
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Please don't put us in the same category as CT.
No, CT actualy has won some rounds, were Vikings have not
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Jeezez! are you so stuck in your fantasy world that you cant see the difference between a continued friendship naturally resulting in a nap? (with the purpose of watching each others back when CT comes with a block to gangbang them, which was automaticly expected to happen within 250-300 ticks after 2 rounds). And ofc Ultores had to make counterblocks to make playing pa even worth the time when being ganged upon for 300-700 ticks a round, and its perfectly natural that the counterblock hits the stongest of the gangbangers. Moralwise they should always hit CT who started the whole thing except from FAnG once only, but they had to hit FAnG which was almost as strong as Ult when Irvine DC'ed. And maybe
Ult hit someone with another ally once or twice without it being counterblocking (not that i can remember tho), but who wouldnt be angry at certain allys (especially CT) after being ganged upon by 3-4 allys half a round for several rounds in a row. And you completly speak against yourself regarding Ultores abilitys, some posts saying Ult needs a block to win (because CT is much better? lmao! FAnG is touching the potential with Irvine in it, but they didnt play or competed all those rounds.. shame they werent intrested on a 1 on 1 war for the win as they were the only worthy opponents.), in other posts you cry about how Ult promotes "eliteism" which you call it.
Im not saying Ult needs a block to win do i?
Im just saying when Ult are behind, they always tend to block on the alliances above them and gangbang, and this happend to CT also this round according to some.
FAnG post R49 is not close to the same alliance as it was R45-49, its been a mix of a community tag and a try-hard-win-nothing tag.
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No, CT actualy has won some rounds, were Vikings have not
Comparing Vikings to CT would be unfair to CT
I mean, we are usually on the receiving end of a block and don't usually partake in bashing people who have little support.

Also, we have gone for the win, and failed, but that doesn't mean we're a low tier alliance, it just means we haven't been as good at the political game as some others. I am of course looking at the efficiently and potential of an alliance rather than the amount of times an alliance has won.

I very much doubt that Spore will cope under pressure. Maybe they should be tested?

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In my recent memory of PA r45 ult came in preblocked with XvX,
Again, wrong. Thought i showed you logs etc to back this up at some point? Talk about broken record.
Here's the logs:
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xVx only ever made preround deals the round xvx/vikings/faceless had their cooporation, and even that was a "if someone gangs up on one of us, we block up"-deal.
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I mean, we are usually on the receiving end of a block and don't usually partake in bashing people who have little support.

Also, we have gone for the win, and failed, but that doesn't mean we're a low tier alliance, it just means we haven't been as good at the political game as some others. I am of course looking at the efficiently and potential of an alliance rather than the amount of times an alliance has won.

I very much doubt that Spore will cope under pressure. Maybe they should be tested?
Nobody called u low tier, but mid tier. Kaiba that is.
Im sure ND will emerge as the winner when the block is done with CT and Spore...
They tend to do good in rounds like this.
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