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Unread 20 Jul 2013, 09:33   #1
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End of PA?

I'm hearing talk that Jagex is giving up on PA and pulling the plug. Confirm/deny?
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Unread 20 Jul 2013, 10:00   #2
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Re: End of PA?

about time!
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Re: End of PA?

Read the EORC log when it is posted, it's all in there.
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Re: End of PA?

just posting ....
sorry for the delay

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In summary, there was a security breach to some admin pages, with no password or payment data accessible, and Jagex decided that they would not be comfortable running Planetarion any more in case it happens again for liability issues (hosting on their servers). Lunar_Lamp is therefore in negotiations to ensure the continuation of the game.

In the mean time, havoc!
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Re: End of PA?

basically, jagex did piss all with the game but were happy to host it. any tiny little issue and they were always going to just pull the plug.

jagex probably have to go down as the worst owners in the history of PA?
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Re: End of PA?

Not really. After Jolt, no owner ever did anything to improve PA. They just maintained it. Jagex did no worse than that.


Unrelatedly, I am rather disappointed that PA Team did not announce there had been a leak until a month and a half after the fact. That's really not good. On the plus side, at least the bug has been fixed.
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Unread 20 Jul 2013, 13:43   #7
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Not really. After Jolt, no owner ever did anything to improve PA. They just maintained it. Jagex did no worse than that.
oh but they did. they made promises about community interaction and things like that. then after 1 creators hour where the jagex reps were late and missed it, nothing at all.

even zpeti talked to the community.
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Re: End of PA?

zPeti also made promises which he didn't keep. I'm not saying Jagex were any better, but they also weren't any worse.
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Re: End of PA?

Very sorry to hear about this attack on PA. I hope the perpetrator is found and named.

Any financial support that I can give I most certainly will. A PA under the wing of Lunar and co will, I firmly believe, take on a new lease of life.
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Very sorry to hear about this attack on PA. I hope the perpetrator is found and named.

Any financial support that I can give I most certainly will. A PA under the wing of Lunar and co will, I firmly believe, take on a new lease of life.
Even though i love to be a part of a Lynch mob against any "criminal", i dont think naming the perpetrartor would do any good.
Clearly there is a group of People who know who was behind the attack, and if they havnt given his/her name out yet, they wont.
Now lets move on with our lifes, we know it was a Lith or a Russian who did it anyway
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Re: End of PA?

I hear some *** has hit the fan.
SQL-injects suck, assuming that is what happened.

If and when the dust settles, and the game needs a new home, I'm still here. So if anyone has a line to the owners, and they wish to sell it back to me, well...I can be contacted through spinner¤managerleague.com
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Re: End of PA?

PA must not be allowed to die ... at least not before I do
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Re: End of PA?

They still won't sell it back to spinner? don't see why not, it was his game after all :P
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Re: End of PA?

PA never takes the right path but maybe it will soon enough i hope if its either lunar or spinner atleast it be in better hands then it has for along time
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Re: End of PA?

Problem is the People who take over the game are people who only see the $$ not the game itself so maybe its a good move that Jagex don't have pa
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Re: End of PA?

The game should just be shut down imho.
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Re: End of PA?

If you think that, why are you still playing?
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The game should just be shut down imho.
Its been running for far too long.
If i ever see you in the streets around here after you said that, I will throw a rock on your head.
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If i ever see you in the streets around here after you said that, I will throw a rock on your head.
Its just a game, id rather end on a high note than facing rounds with bellow 500 players.
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We've passed the point of 'ending on a high note'. So, we might aswell give a shot at turning it around.
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considering you are struggling to get 1 space game out, i think taking on an already half dead one is probably not a great idea.

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Re: End of PA?

Oh for goodness sake, put me in charge of the damn thing. So many people are talk talk talk and no action. All you need is a bit of Project Management.

I know noone knows me and I haven't played since round 3, but trust me, I could easily turn things onto the right track compared to these loonies that talk so much nonsense! Why you guys kept believing Jagex i will -never- know!
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holy cow,
someone should have told me it was the last round, i missed it now

Lunar you got to prevail!
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Oh for goodness sake, put me in charge of the damn thing. So many people are talk talk talk and no action. All you need is a bit of Project Management.

I know noone knows me and I haven't played since round 3, but trust me, I could easily turn things onto the right track compared to these loonies that talk so much nonsense! Why you guys kept believing Jagex i will -never- know!
Yeah, let's give this guy control. He's very profound.
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Lunar Lamp isn't communicating with me, it seems, and according to some "semi-official" sources it seems I can forget getting PA back, ever, as they will rather shut it down than sell it back to me. I have no idea why though.
Oh well. This is the fourth time I try to buy it back, with zero results. Sigh.
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It's probably because you're competition. :-)
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Couldn't lunar buy it and then sell it to you??
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Couldn't lunar buy it and then sell it to you??
I would assume that Jagex is probably not interested in getting rid of PA completely, so will probably put restrictions on what LL can do with PA when he gets a license to run it.
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It's quite obvious that Jagex only wants the game for its domain.
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Yeah, let's give this guy control. He's very profound.
It's the internet so I was bound to get at least 5 cocky responses . All im stating are the facts - this game can be profitable, all it needs is someone who cares and is willing to do things rather than blabla about it all day. I've stepped in to manage much larger dying projects successfully - id be happy to give the new owner a resume.
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Lunar Lamp isn't communicating with me, it seems, and according to some "semi-official" sources it seems I can forget getting PA back, ever, as they will rather shut it down than sell it back to me. I have no idea why though.
Oh well. This is the fourth time I try to buy it back, with zero results. Sigh.
As soon as your new space game comes out nobody will care about PA.
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All im stating are the facts - this game can be profitable, all it needs is someone who cares and is willing to do things rather than blabla about it all day.
No, you're stating your beliefs. That's fine, state them all you like, but please don't confuse your opinions for facts.

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Nor will anyone care about PA any more when the Rapture finally comes about. Any day now!
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Nor will anyone care about PA any more when the Rapture finally comes about. Any day now!
The fact was about what I said previously about the game needing a new owner for something to happen to it. The opinion was the second sentence.'
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"The game needs a new owner to possibly become profitable" is not a fact. Hell, "the game needs a new owner" is not a fact. I happen to agree with both of those statements, don't get me wrong, but they are not facts.

Anyway, the whole fact thing was a bit of a sidenote. Just to clarify, I don't side with t3k in doubting your credentials. I don't know who you are, but if you say you have the resume to back up your claims, I'll take that at face value. By all means, if you willing and able to contribute, go for it!
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I didn't cast any aspersions as to his character, credentials or capability. I doubt anyone took the comment seriously enough to either agree or disagree over how 'profound' I'd intimated he was being, but I think even he realised I was being playfully facetious at the time.
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Couldn't lunar buy it and then sell it to you??
I assume Lunar has his own plans, and I would have liked to talk to him about them, but right now, I'm not getting any response anywhere. I'll back off and we shall see what happens.

But I can be bold enough to lend my 2 cents, so Lunar can choose to ignore it

I should probably make a new thread for it though.
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Re: End of PA?

even before needing more players, the game needs more planets.
-Start by allowing players to have 2 planets and you double the universe size.
-Populate existing gals with bot planets.

I would go as far as allowing a player to own a full galaxy.
I can imagine for example a universe composed of:
- Private galaxies with 5 planets all owned by the same player + 5 bot planets
- Buddy galaxies with 6 planets owned by 3 buddies + 4 bot planets
- Random galaxies of 10 planets owned by 10 different players.
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even before needing more players, the game needs more planets.
-Start by allowing players to have 2 planets and you double the universe size.
-Populate existing gals with bot planets.

I would go as far as allowing a player to own a full galaxy.
I can imagine for example a universe composed of:
- Private galaxies with 5 planets all owned by the same player + 5 bot planets
- Buddy galaxies with 6 planets owned by 3 buddies + 4 bot planets
- Random galaxies of 10 planets owned by 10 different players.
i see them coming lol waving

the FOCKERS will like it though

and at least, you can expect war
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As soon as your new space game comes out nobody will care about PA.
i'm not so sure about that. as far as i understand it, the new game will have an ongoing universe, to start with. to me that sounds more like 'EVE' than 'Planetarion'. it'll be sim city in space i reckon, not something you can win, like a round of pa.

i hope i'm wrong though.
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The ability to "win" is overrated. In Eve you can dominate an era. In PA you can dominate a round.
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What has drawn( and kept) people to pa, is the fact that it is roundbased. You may have no life for a few weeks, but then its over. You can take a round off.
Spinners new game will be going forever, which is why I will not be playing it. Games with no ends scares the living shit out of me.

Its like heroin: it might be awesome, so I dont try it.
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On the flipside, it is the same round-based format that makes it so easy to quit playing PA. You get natural points in time for quitting every 3 months. And anyone joining mid-round are pretty much in for a wasted time, and are a lot more likely to give up and quit.
And I'd be careful about using words like "drawn and kept" about a game with "a handful" of players, when it once had so much more.

That said, I get your point, by all means. But in AD2460, you don't need to let your work, studies, wife, friends and social life suffer, and you don't need to set any alarm-clocks

As for "winning", hehe, we'll see. (-:
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On the flipside, it is the same round-based format that makes it so easy to quit playing PA. You get natural points in time for quitting every 3 months. And anyone joining mid-round are pretty much in for a wasted time, and are a lot more likely to give up and quit.
And I'd be careful about using words like "drawn and kept" about a game with "a handful" of players, when it once had so much more.

That said, I get your point, by all means. But in AD2460, you don't need to let your work, studies, wife, friends and social life suffer, and you don't need to set any alarm-clocks

As for "winning", hehe, we'll see. (-:
Yes. Being able to quit is a good thing for us addicts.
Joining midgame in pa you know its a few weeks before it restarts again, and you start the same as the others. Joining midgame in an ongoing game with no end, and you will never be able to catch up...

What game dosent affect all that if you play to "win" or be a top player?
Playing a game just to play it, where you cant "win", has never attracted me. Which is why I never liked wow, and why I never started playing eve.
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Re: End of PA?

i'm with wishmaster on this (hi, btw!). there's pro's and cons to both variants obviously, but if i were you i'd think it through very carefully spinner. maybe try to set rewards for rankings at an x point in time maybe, but there must be something to play for. and there must be a reason to spend more time on things, or play mean. ie: to make things interesting.
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i'm with wishmaster on this (hi, btw!). there's pro's and cons to both variants obviously, but if i were you i'd think it through very carefully spinner. maybe try to set rewards for rankings at an x point in time maybe, but there must be something to play for. and there must be a reason to spend more time on things, or play mean. ie: to make things interesting.
Wishmaster is both right and wrong, that this is a good thing or not.
The PA crew has failed to see that even though one would want to take a "break" or "off rounds" from the game itself, you would still want to be a part of the community even though you would be less active interacting With it than you do when you have Your "on rounds".
PA crew has made this impossibole, with lowering alliance limits, complicated and very abuseable exile/bp/gal setup, and a game wich is leading more and more towards either you play it hardcore/"abusivly", or you stay home.

Clearly this is not something that the PA crew itself has enforced upon the community, but critical voices inside the community has lifted this forward due a lot of diffrent incidents/rounds, and perhaps back then it was necessary to do the changes wich was made to secure a fair game.
The "support planet" issue was lifted up back in r13(?) when eXiltion beat 1up, while they clearly were the strongest alliance that round, they had numerous planets outside tag helping the planets in the tag to hold onto their roids.
This was a huge blow to the PaX idea of "equal" sized allies, and was a step further to a more narrow sided game of planetarion, based on dedication instead of numbers. Numbers being maybe the biggest concept on wich this game was based on back in its youth.

Planetarion was always about beating/killing your opponents planets, and thereby winning.
But planetarion was also about safety in numbers, and even though not being very good yourself, being lucky to know someone, or befriend a group would keep you safe from atleast certain parts of the univers.
Certain alliances were built merly upon numbers than just "dedication" and "skill", and being in such a alliance would enable you to play the game to its fullest even though you wernt awake every night to launch defence and attack fleets.
Planetarion has now gone far from where it once started, and the last 7 rounds or what not ive played the game has seemed more or less meaningless, boring, and one sided to me.
The game i used to play is long gone, and so is the friendly nature of the community, and i have a big doubt that LunarLamp/Spinner or anyone else will be able to turn it around with its current model.
So for me they could aswell shut it down now instead of trying to keep it running for another two years untill the playerbase is only a few hundred planets. If that is where we are heading
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1: Joining midgame in pa you know its a few weeks before it restarts again, and you start the same as the others.
2: Joining midgame in an ongoing game with no end, and you will never be able to catch up...
1: The problem is, with new users, you have 1 shot to make a good first impression.
2: This isn't right. ManagerLeague is a perfectly good example of the opposite. This has to do with game-mechanics. In AD, I believe your role will go from "grow as big as I can" to "try to hold on to your assets" or "destroy potential challengers".
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i'm with wishmaster on this (hi, btw!). there's pro's and cons to both variants obviously, but if i were you i'd think it through very carefully spinner. maybe try to set rewards for rankings at an x point in time maybe, but there must be something to play for. and there must be a reason to spend more time on things, or play mean. ie: to make things interesting.
My little line:
As for "winning", hehe, we'll see. (-:
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