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Unread 30 May 2006, 18:51   #1
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Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

Oh, and on different note, sorta related to this thread, I know who this rounds losers are: small planets, the very planets always being championed by the likes of F-Crew, Rock, vengeance, TGV, SiN.

Why are these planets the losers you may ask? Well, the very alliances always championing their cause and complaining about bashing are the planets that have spent the most time 4/5/6+ waving these planets. It's been plastered all over my gal screen and arbiter all round, and it hasn't been a pretty sight. To see alliances such as these (the ones that claim to be the most sensitive to small planets) quite simply waving small planets into the ground was a painful sight. The larger alliances who usually get moaned at by aforementioned alliances for doing this tend to wave specifically hostile planets like that, but only send 2, maybe 3 waves at small planets. The complete annihilation inflicted by previously mentioned alliances (all mentioned because they are guilty rather than fitting any stereotype of the alliance) made this round a very dark one for smaller players who, considering the political climate, should have been far better off.
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Oh, and on different note, sorta related to this thread, I know who this rounds losers are: small planets, the very planets always being championed by the likes of F-Crew, Rock, vengeance, TGV, SiN.

Why are these planets the losers you may ask? Well, the very alliances always championing their cause and complaining about bashing are the planets that have spent the most time 4/5/6+ waving these planets. It's been plastered all over my gal screen and arbiter all round, and it hasn't been a pretty sight. To see alliances such as these (the ones that claim to be the most sensitive to small planets) quite simply waving small planets into the ground was a painful sight. The larger alliances who usually get moaned at by aforementioned alliances for doing this tend to wave specifically hostile planets like that, but only send 2, maybe 3 waves at small planets. The complete annihilation inflicted by previously mentioned alliances (all mentioned because they are guilty rather than fitting any stereotype of the alliance) made this round a very dark one for smaller players who, considering the political climate, should have been far better off.
If your going to accuse us of 4+ waving small planets Basher I suggest you get some better intel on us, in fact your not the only one as I've spent alot of this round answering such complaints. When people approache me about it they are sometimes right that we have attacked the planet in question however on no occasion have all the co-ords they supply for the attackers matched the co-ords of our members. Only on rare occasions do we allow a 4th wave and these arent planets that are small. INFACT we dont even have the abiity to claim a 4th wave under normal circumstances.

What makes alot of these alligations worse is they often come from people whom should know better either because
  • They are experianced enough to know that I wouldnt allow an alliance I'm involved with partake in such tactics
  • They are like simmons and quit F-Crew after being given a first and then a final warning over his attacking habbits so know full well we dont put up with it but then procede to spout bashing claims against us and even attack me personally for it making out I was behind it or ok'd it
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Unread 1 Jun 2006, 14:04   #3
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Re: Winners of R17 (1up not included)

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Oh, and on different note, sorta related to this thread, I know who this rounds losers are: small planets, the very planets always being championed by the likes of F-Crew, Rock, vengeance, TGV, SiN.

Why are these planets the losers you may ask? Well, the very alliances always championing their cause and complaining about bashing are the planets that have spent the most time 4/5/6+ waving these planets. It's been plastered all over my gal screen and arbiter all round, and it hasn't been a pretty sight. To see alliances such as these (the ones that claim to be the most sensitive to small planets) quite simply waving small planets into the ground was a painful sight. The larger alliances who usually get moaned at by aforementioned alliances for doing this tend to wave specifically hostile planets like that, but only send 2, maybe 3 waves at small planets. The complete annihilation inflicted by previously mentioned alliances (all mentioned because they are guilty rather than fitting any stereotype of the alliance) made this round a very dark one for smaller players who, considering the political climate, should have been far better off.
show me proof that rock has sent more than 2 waves at a planet before spouting shit like that (we may have 3 waved an f-crew planet during the war but thats it) our normal attacks are 2 waves so stfu


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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

well i got roided by f-crew and there wasnt 2 waves so to speak hehe, say 8 and its closer to the truth and i wasn't really that big so it happens now and then to all allies that they send some more waves

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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

You'ld be better off doing this when the round is over when you can use coords to back up your claims.
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

A regular f-crew attack has 3-4 waves, same as any other alliance. Difference is the other alliances usually tend to specificly target the big planets where f-crew targets the small ones more.
:edit: not pointing a finger of blame towards f-crew, they have smaller planets in their alliance caus of their recruitment standards so it's normal they target the little ones aswell
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

Watch out Bashar, Wakey will accuse you of attacking there server!
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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Oh, and on different note, sorta related to this thread, I know who this rounds losers are: small planets, the very planets always being championed by the likes of F-Crew, Rock, vengeance, TGV, SiN.

I am pleased to see that Bashar knows everything about what goes on in our BC channels, I also see that he knows what goes on in F-Crew, ROCK, VGN and SiN. I am also amazed over his precicse intelligence making it possible to put all thoose coords that's been plastering his galscreen red to thoose 5 alliances.

It was indeed funny reading.
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

at some point or another EVERY alliance in the game waves someone, for about a billion different reasons....so who cares, you attack planets, and your planet gets attacked, sometimes it's 1 fleet, sometimes it's more than 1 fleet..... who cares, can we please have a thread thats actually interesting, as opposed to splitting off something from another thread so people can flame each other, I mean don't you people get tired of this ffs
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

Allegations. An alligation is what happens when an alligator thinks you'd make him a suitable mate.
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well i got roided by f-crew and there wasnt 2 waves so to speak hehe, say 8 and its closer to the truth and i wasn't really that big so it happens now and then to all allies that they send some more waves
Wish we could have enough people taking part in attacks to launch 8 waves per planet on multiple galaxies.

However if we did have enough people attacking to do that I somehow doubt we would seeing as theres no point. If its a war smashing them into the ground like that might make some sense, in a roid run its simply not worth it and it makes more sense to hit an additional galaxy.

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A regular f-crew attack has 3-4 waves, same as any other alliance. Difference is the other alliances usually tend to specificly target the big planets where f-crew targets the small ones more.
:edit: not pointing a finger of blame towards f-crew, they have smaller planets in their alliance caus of their recruitment standards so it's normal they target the little ones aswell
Its more like 2-3 waves, our attack system doesnt allow a 4th wave to be claimed and its only on very rare occasions we allow one. Occasionally members take it upon themselves to attack 4th wave which almost always results in them being lectured by me or Rocko and refused a scan from the alliance scanners

As you say our spread of members means we dont just target the large planets, after all some of the smaller members of the target galaxies are large or atleast resonable sized compared to the members attacking them
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at some point or another EVERY alliance in the game waves someone, for about a billion different reasons....so who cares, you attack planets, and your planet gets attacked, sometimes it's 1 fleet, sometimes it's more than 1 fleet..... who cares, can we please have a thread thats actually interesting, as opposed to splitting off something from another thread so people can flame each other, I mean don't you people get tired of this ffs
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You really are wasting your time playing a war game if you consider that a problem
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What about female alligators? Allegiance?

On topic: I have witnessed what appeared to be "training alliances" sending a lot more waves than 3 at galaxies, and in some cases massive "team-ups" on rather small planets. The few times I checked, it turned out that the attackers were actually from multiple alliances. So we usually labeled it double/triple booking. It happens from time to time, but I don't think I have seen any alliance not part-taking in a war of sorts, launching more than 3-4 waves at a target. I forget these things easily though, so I could be wrong.
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

Guess you should check your intel.
No VGN attack had more than 3 waves this round.
What actually happens is due to the low amount of targets more than 1 alliance attacks the same galaxy leading to ridiculous overview screens at 150 roid planets. My personal record this round is 10 hostile fleets coming at me over 5 ticks while having a 175 roid planet ranked somewhere between 800 and 1000.

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On topic: I have witnessed "training alliances" sending a lot more waves than 3 at galaxies, and in some cases massive "team-ups" on rather small planets. The few times I checked, it turned out that the attackers were actually from multiple alliances. So we usually labeled it double/triple booking. It happens from time to time, but I don't think I have seen any alliance not part-taking in a war of sorts, launching more than 3-4 waves at a target. I forget these things easily though, so I could be wrong.
Your a ****ing idiot you really are. If you accept that it is double / triple booking why the **** do u bother to post on this thread?
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

There is a reason why id rather have noob alliances in my gal than good ones. It sucks when all attackers on ur gal are under your attacklimit and every planet(not you ofc youre too big and mean to get hostiles) whos small with a little roids get 5+ waves. I dont claim that i know\remember which aliances it is but they are pretty damn common.
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I think the main problem comes from the small universe. There are a couple of alliances like f-crew nowadays, and the amount of suitable target galaxies for those alliances is relatively small so that coincidental multi-waving of those happens a lot more often than of galaxies which are in the top 50 (or so).
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Vaginators.

On topic: It's up to each and every alliance how to they want to attack. If they wanna wave a small planet to hell and back, then that's their problem. Just take advantage of it and wroooooom ahead of them

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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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Your a ****ing idiot you really are. If you accept that it is double / triple booking why the **** do u bother to post on this thread?
I don't see where this topic says "You are not allowed to defend the alliances that are rightfully, or wrongfully being accused of being evil bashers".

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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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I don't see where this topic says "You are not allowed to defend the alliances that are rightfully, or wrongfully being accused of being evil bashers".

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The issue he had I beleive is the way you start out in a way that declares the alliance guilty of doing this. You then turn around and say actually its just two or more unconnected alliances hitting the same galaxy
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Re: Bashars Alligations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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The issue he had I beleive is the way you start out in a way that declares the alliance guilty of doing this. You then turn around and say actually its just two or more unconnected alliances hitting the same galaxy
Pardon me then, what I tried to say was that I have witnessed a lot more than 3 waves being sent from what appeared to be a training alliance, while in reality it was a lot more. This whole thing is to my bad english, I'm sorry.
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

OK, hereis my piece

LCH arbiter is quite precise usually, and we also have good contacts with a good number of other alliances. Some of our members have been complaining about 8-12 (!) waves on them , having 300 roids.

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<x> has 10 waves of incs. 6 waves fcrew (confirmed by 3 other alliances), the other 4 another alliance. Even if you subtract the double booking, thats a lot of fcrew.

This kind of example has been discussed in LCH several times, and each and every time, fcrew was confirmed by 2-4 other alliances.

The other alliances we had incs from, never was more then 4 waves.

When i look at the actual waves, i see a lot of 2&3 fleeters on one target. So waves 1-2 (or 3) are waves from 3 differnet planets, but after that, the same planets send 1 or even 2 other fleets with a different eta.

This sometimes results in 9 waves from 3 planets on small planets. Thats ridiculous.

Now im not saying i dont agree with their tactics, because its a war and in a war everyone may do as they chose, wether someone else likes it or not. What i dont understand why fcrew cannot either: A) control their members better, or B) admit that they mass-multiple wave, or C) a combination of A and B
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

Its the modern conununderum, to wave and be waved, personally when I'm down to 100 roids or so, 20+ waves would be welcome, as it would make good xp sense not to defend. Funny thing is, I only seem to attract inc when im above 600 roids, and its no longer mega waves, and most are easy to cover as its usually only one or 2 waves. And when did we complain about what now? I've only complained at 90% of my inc being from one alliance.

Those other alliances are guilty as hell of something anyway*

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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

These alliances might not be doing it officialy, but it happens. So instead of denying it, why not try to get your members to not launch 4-5 waves against 250 roid planets? I got 5 waves, some with multiple fleets, when I had 300 roids. I dont really know what alliance it was (it was a galattack), and I dont really care. The point is that it's a waste of fleets.

Even if you set up 2 waves in a attack, does not mean that your members follow that. Either they multiwave on their own accord, or get their friends or whatnot to join in.
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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OK, hereis my piece

LCH arbiter is quite precise usually, and we also have good contacts with a good number of other alliances. Some of our members have been complaining about 8-12 (!) waves on them , having 300 roids.

An example:

<x> has 10 waves of incs. 6 waves fcrew (confirmed by 3 other alliances), the other 4 another alliance. Even if you subtract the double booking, thats a lot of fcrew.

This kind of example has been discussed in LCH several times, and each and every time, fcrew was confirmed by 2-4 other alliances.

The other alliances we had incs from, never was more then 4 waves.

When i look at the actual waves, i see a lot of 2&3 fleeters on one target. So waves 1-2 (or 3) are waves from 3 differnet planets, but after that, the same planets send 1 or even 2 other fleets with a different eta.

This sometimes results in 9 waves from 3 planets on small planets. Thats ridiculous.

Now im not saying i dont agree with their tactics, because its a war and in a war everyone may do as they chose, wether someone else likes it or not. What i dont understand why fcrew cannot either: A) control their members better, or B) admit that they mass-multiple wave, or C) a combination of A and B
If we were multi waving either on purpose or by mistake I would admit it. When members have bashed people before and its been reported I take the report seriously and look into it. If it is bashing im always honest about it and apologies and whoever responsable gets a pretty servre ticking off. And if members dont toe the line and keep doing it they get kicked, infact many of the top5 alliances not only contain members of F-Crew whom choose to leave but also many we kicked for such actions.

I check the Jumpgates regularry for people whom attack but havent claimed or are hitting outside our attack window and its simply not been a major problem and the few times theres been issues its been sorted out. Certainly those sending multiple waves to a planet are rarely F-Crew, we do not allow members to hit the same target for more than a single wave on an alliance attack.

Seriously the intel held on us by most alliances is seriously shocking. The ROCK war showed this. Someone was leaking their attack list to us each night, and the targets that they thought were F-Crew were never more tahn 50% and often were as little as 20% right. Most of the time they didnt even have the right galaxy.. Also i've had a number of GC's approach me accusing us of hitting their galaxy when its not one of our targets. They ofc wont believe me as their t5 alliance has told them we are but we simply werent

The only reasons I can think that this confusion might happen is
a) We have a resonable amount of player turnover which is confusing people
b) We have a number of people whom start in weak galaxies and exile which may mean their reporting info is left and assumed to be another alliance (which could be true, we do get def calls for people whom simply arent in the alliance and never have been)

Whatever the reaon trust me its NOT us
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

This would actually be a good thread for after the round so we can use coords. I had a nub in my gal quit due to being excessively waved after a while....for example one time there was 5 planets, but all together they sent a good 8-9 waves.
Denying that this happens is laughable...
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

as a player who's been in rock and involved with the daily attacks during and after the war i can definitely state that no planet has had more than 2 waves on them from apart from the odd f-crew planet....oh and ovi / nora however you want to know him as.
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Re: Bashars Allegations against F-Crew, Rock, TGV, VGN, SiN

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as a player who's been in rock and involved with the daily attacks during and after the war i can definitely state that no planet has had more than 2 waves on them from apart from the odd f-crew planet....oh and ovi / nora however you want to know him as.
but it wasnt rock that hit ovi/nora now was it timeline
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This thread is closed while I investigate why this post was moved here.
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