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Unread 28 Feb 2014, 15:30   #1
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Congrats faceless

So finally faceless won the round but hey, they needed to add players

and message all untagged players,they played it by the fence startegy

wish only other alliances needed to be blamed for, as for spore

who if they won at least we can say they didnt add players but till they fenced

and got ct to take all the bashing,what is suprising that the old allies vikings

faceless who farmed apprime together we fighting after it till round end

i hope not to see any butcher whining AD

yet AGAIN congrats faceless for a so called win
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so for all you fledgling Alliance commanders out there with aspirations of winning an alliance rank, Fencing beats Blocking.
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Damn, was that post made with or without google translate?
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Congratulations Faceless, well played!
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Re: Congrats faceless

They are the winners because they did the right things at the right stages of the round.
Nobody can claim its anything else that faceless outplayed them
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Re: Congrats faceless

Damn, that grammar is terrible. Nelito, fact is they got to this position of contenders with only 44 members, fencing or not, that is a feat on it's own.

And as Blue said, fencing > blocking. Ult isn't the best ally to make an enemy of at the best of times, but putting us in a position where we can't win ourselves is even worse for you, since we will do everything we can to ruin your chances as well

Oh and yeah, congratz Facelss!
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Damn, that grammar is terrible. Nelito, fact is they got to this position of contenders with only 44 members, fencing or not, that is a feat on it's own.

And as Blue said, fencing > blocking. Ult isn't the best ally to make an enemy of at the best of times, but putting us in a position where we can't win ourselves is even worse for you, since we will do everything we can to ruin your chances as well

Oh and yeah, congratz Facelss!
The fact that some allies are more interested in ruin for others instead of working for own progress is an worrying development of late.
TheFallen focused on this last round, and it seems to me Vikings and Ultores have beeb focusing ob this this round.
I wonder how they attract players to this idelogy, i find it very odd.
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Ult did not start with this in mind, but we were blocked against from early on by the top 3 allies, so it got to the point where we knew we had no chance. and so wanted to retalliate those 3 the best way we could. Vikings i believe were the same to a degree, never starting with the purpose of ruining other people's rounds, only finishing that way due to necessity.
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Re: Congrats faceless

For your information, atleast 3 of the out of tag people have been playing out of tag for 500ticks or more, its called foresight

Its implemented in our brains since old times.
An eye for an eye, so if you loose, why not make damn sure the one that caused you to loose wont win.

Thx for the round guys, i had quite fun even though you spam called the living shit out of me!
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Congratulations Faceless on your win. Well played.
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damnit buddah do we havta call you till ya can count it was 5 44+5=49
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Re: Congrats faceless

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The fact that some allies are more interested in ruin for others instead of working for own progress is an worrying development of late.
TheFallen focused on this last round, and it seems to me Vikings and Ultores have beeb focusing ob this this round.
I wonder how they attract players to this idelogy, i find it very odd.
After being blocked out of the race for planet, gal and tagwin, you're left with a couple options:
1) quit playing
2) bash someone who haven't pissed you off
3) back one of the alliances that killed you off
4) back one of the alliances that didn't kill you off
5) galraid with no goals

What would you chose bbitcher? Or rather, what ideology do you think will attract players after all chances of winning anything is gone?
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All you can do with Faceless is congratulate them on taking advantage of an opportunity at what proved to be the decisive point in the round. You play the game as you find it and they've got players who can accumulate big scores and hold on to their fleets, and that's all there is to it.

Regardless of the outcome, I thought Spore's politics were exceptionally good. As an alliance, they have punched above their weight considerably and have been exceptionally well managed by their HC. In fact, had they the experience and discipline to avoid crashes and hold on longer when a huge block attacked them, they would probably be winning regardless. So if there's a lesson learned, it's that every day matters in terms of getting roids and holding on to fleets. Because those little bits of score add up, and can make a difference. Had they played in a way that the majority of posters seem to think 'good politics' is, they would have been out of contention by PT700-800.

Of the other alliances, I am not sure what drives Ultores to make them want an alliance to lose and spend nearly their entire round on it, but you've got to credit their members for their determination. Usually players lose motivation when they have nothing to play for, but they really made destroying Spore a target they wanted to achieve. Even so, they still made a big mistake by letting Spore get the better of them in the first place and finding themselves in a position where they couldn't win. Vikings have been a complete catastrophe, and if they didn't want Faceless to win, someone's got to be regretting those crash landings on Spore right now.

It feels that many people in charge of alliances are culpable of bearing grudges and acting on them, even when it is to their own disadvantage. This means it can work out to be better to not play politics and just raid, because playing politics can lead to an irrational response that gets you destroyed, even when doing that seems completely insane. But what is planetarion without war?
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Re: Congrats faceless

One's opponents will always decry the strategies they themselves did not think of, or were unable or unwilling to execute. Don't let it keep you up at night.

Well played, Faceless.
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At the end of the day all the crying for Spore is moot.

You allowed a tag with 14 less members (with 6 counting slots) to be within reach of you going into the last day. It was the bad politics of Spore that allowed Faceless to still have a chance going into the last day.

CT werent going to catch you after they got roided last week, you should have dropped the NAP with Faceless a long time ago and used your friends CT to hit Faceless and pulled 20+ mill clear.

Well done Faceless, played it brilliantly, fencing FTW!
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At the end of the day all the crying for Spore is moot.

You allowed a tag with 14 less members (with 6 counting slots) to be within reach of you going into the last day. It was the bad politics of Spore that allowed Faceless to still have a chance going into the last day.

CT werent going to catch you after they got roided last week, you should have dropped the NAP with Faceless a long time ago and used your friends CT to hit Faceless and pulled 20+ mill clear.

Well done Faceless, played it brilliantly, fencing FTW!

Calling the politics of Spore "bad" is erroneous, especially as you are not taking into account a whole host of various important factors that made things far more complex.

I still believe my politics with Spore were right on the money. It wasn't really Spore politics that came into play here, but rather everyone elses IMO
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Calling the politics of Spore "bad" is erroneous, especially as you are not taking into account a whole host of various important factors that made things far more complex.

I still believe my politics with Spore were right on the money. It wasn't really Spore politics that came into play here, but rather everyone elses IMO
You were napped to #2 and #3 for atleast the last 2 weeks of the round. You allowed through your politics a smaller tag, your main rival, with spare slots to stay within reach of you up until the last days when you dropped the nap and made out that you were going to secure the win. It was already too late then, you should have done it ATLEAST a week earlier.

Politics last 1176 ticks, you were 1st for a vast chunk of the round and then lost on the final day because you didnt do the right thing at the right time. I dont care who was in Faceless they had 14 less planets and therefore 42 less fleets than the alliances around them, and still no one took them out. YOu could have more than easily done to them what you all did to Vikings, you just chose to NAP instead and failed.

If you had actually ceased the advantage rather than resting on your laurels then Faceless would have never been in a position where recruiting to win was viable, let alone the easy way.
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After being blocked out of the race for planet, gal and tagwin, you're left with a couple options:
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5) galraid with no goals

What would you chose bbitcher? Or rather, what ideology do you think will attract players after all chances of winning anything is gone?
In winning and loosing the focus would be on building the alliance, not to try ruin for others and bragging about it.
Maybe if he had used a diffrent word i would understand him.
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In winning and loosing the focus would be on building the alliance, not to try ruin for others and bragging about it.
Maybe if he had used a diffrent word i would understand him.
Using whatever muscle you have left to influence the rankings might be a part of "building"? If it's done to "screw spore over" or if it's done to "help faceless win" is a matter of semantics i guess, but i don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to see that Ult and Faceless has bee friendly for the majority of the round. How you put it would be influenced by how annoyed you are with having several alliances conspiring to smash you out of the race continuously from pt 1 till pt 1177 i guess.

Also, there might be the aspect that noone want the rest of the game to think it's ok to block this heavily against their alliance. So if you put the "revenge/sabotage/jihad" label on it, you just might have a small effect on how the never ending big blockers think in the future. But then again, this is PA, so that approach(even if logical to some) is worthless.

In the end, history tells us that one of two things happends to alliances thats pushed out of the contest; 1) they go idle 2) they find someone to back. It's never likely they'll back one that put them out of the contest over one that did not. But by backing someone you actually keep the tag active to a certain degree, and maybe even (re)build your alliance a bit?

Edit: sorry Faceless, didnt mean engage this here, congratulations again!
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Using whatever muscle you have left to influence the rankings might be a part of "building"? If it's done to "screw spore over" or if it's done to "help faceless win" is a matter of semantics i guess, but i don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to see that Ult and Faceless has bee friendly for the majority of the round. How you put it would be influenced by how annoyed you are with having several alliances conspiring to smash you out of the race continuously from pt 1 till pt 1177 i guess.

Also, there might be the aspect that noone want the rest of the game to think it's ok to block this heavily against their alliance. So if you put the "revenge/sabotage/jihad" label on it, you just might have a small effect on how the never ending big blockers think in the future. But then again, this is PA, so that approach(even if logical to some) is worthless.

In the end, history tells us that one of two things happends to alliances thats pushed out of the contest; 1) they go idle 2) they find someone to back. It's never likely they'll back one that put them out of the contest over one that did not. But by backing someone you actually keep the tag active to a certain degree, and maybe even (re)build your alliance a bit?

Edit: sorry Faceless, didnt mean engage this here, congratulations again!
Well question is if Ultores will come back next round, and how much impact this "ruin for spor" has had to them.
TheFallen folded after their round, and FAnG the round before shut down aswell.
Vikings seems to be as shifting from one thing to another, maybe they will come back With a full tag next round to be a contender, or they might be even smaller due to actions they took this round.
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Usually players lose motivation when they have nothing to play for, but they really made destroying Spore a target they wanted to achieve. Even so, they still made a big mistake by letting Spore get the better of them in the first place and finding themselves in a position where they couldn't win.
Spore alone could never get the better of Ultores, they are just not good enough, at all! It was the combination of Spore, CT and ND that destroyed Ults chances, and at the time they were all 1st, 2nd and 3rd, while ult were 5th. So of course ult lost that fight, no ally could win that.

Sadly because Ult are clearly so superior, we are no longer even given the chance to play the round as contenders, but instead forced to kingmake allies.
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WTF I don't even....
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Spore alone could never get the better of Ultores.
Correct, no alliance can take on 3 others and be victorious. Ult never fight alone, they always send in their puppets first, this round it was HR and Rock. EVERY time Spore got Ult incs, there would be mass targeting of Spore by HR and Rock 2-3 ticks before Ult came, this despite the fact that Spore was never particularly hostile to either (according to HR HC, Spore targeted HR for 2 whole nights during this round, yet HR targeted Spore every time Ult launched at us).

I see an awful lot of people claiming that Ult were forced to block and that nobody dares fight them alone, yet of the two rounds I have played with Ult partaking, Ult was the first to form a block in both. Contrary to popular belief, Spore did not enter this round with any deals (we haven't started a round with deals yet), and from the early ticks the only 2 deals we had were App and Vikings. We didn't form a deal with ND until later when we joined the war against Ult and to my knowledge, we never had a deal with CT at all (though a short temporary one could have existed whilst I was on holiday). We simply worked with CT vs Ult because it was in both of our interests to do so; clearly at this point hitting CT would be counter-productive, but there was no agreement that we wouldn't.

Yes, Ult are a very strong alliance and they are seen by the community as a threat to victory, but that is more down to the way they manipulate other alliances into soaking defence ahead of them than any higher player quality nowadays.
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Imo Spore could have tried a riskier gamble and hit Faceless earlier in order to secure ally win. Even though I believe their decision to maintain the NAP until close to the end, based or not on naivety, was the safest in order to not lose everything. Furthermore, Spore's block seemed less operative than Faceless's block at the later stage of the round. The addition of Vikings could have balanced things but I don't think that one can say Spore did bad politics.

Faceless and Spore played similar politics but Face were more successful in gather friendly and reliable allies. So successful they even had the luxury to toss away and feed on one of them . Then their last move was legit but will affect their relations for next round for sure.

They really deserve congratulations for this win. The quality of their group is sufficient good, nothing exceptional. But the area where they really exceeded was idd politics and planning.
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Spore thought that they could cf/nap with ult and ult would turn on faceless... ofc that was never going to happen, ult/rock/hr just turned on CT. Then they get upset that CT cant/wont help them on the last night.
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Spore thought that they could cf/nap with ult and ult would turn on faceless... ofc that was never going to happen, ult/rock/hr just turned on CT. Then they get upset that CT cant/wont help them on the last night.
I don't think what you're suggesting entered their heads. At that point in time Spore were in a completely dire position with statistical projections showing certain defeat for Spore without any planets factored in. Something had to change. After that the gap to 2nd stabilised and moved the general situation to one where Faceless had to look for more people to recruit (amongst other things), which suggests it was a good decision. Not to mention, the fact a NAP happened in the first place suggests Ult were confident that Spore probably wouldn't win. Obviously they changed their mind when it wasn't so apparent.

CT were obviously under no obligation to help, but when Ultores has quite clearly been promoting Faceless at both your expenses, you've got to ask. What Spore clearly need to do is improve man for man, so they hold onto score more consistently, and are less reliant on help.
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Spore wouldnt have broken the NAP if it hadnt come to their attention that Faceless was trying to get players to join the tag to win the round, as they had enough with trying to get the roids back from the Ultores/Vikings/FAnG/HR/ROCK block, wich had been hitting Spore for 7 days running 200 incs each day, crashing for roids.
Spore knew that it was not against the rules what Faceless did, and they tried to be set in Place actions against this somewhat dodgy and questionable tactic with sending a "member" to respond to the requests Faceless had been sending out for unkown People applying to their tag, and have him leave the last second.
As Spore did not know how many Faceless had been able to recruit, the obvious choice was to attack them trying to secure a win that way.
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Vikings seems to be as shifting from one thing to another, maybe they will come back With a full tag next round to be a contender, or they might be even smaller due to actions they took this round.
Vikings isnt going anywhere. We will be around and we wont be full tag because if we are we end up #1 within 150 ticks. Last few rounds has shown that it always happens and its very hard to prevent. Then we get ganged up on by 3 or more alliances and we end up in a war for most of the round (ie 800-1000 ticks). Why would we want that if we can just stay small and fence/nap our way to easy relaxed round.

Of course last round was weird. Alliances below 50 tag (vik/face) should never ever have been that big in avg roid/score/value count. I guess the PA universe was just too busy doing other things to keep them in check
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1. Spore did not break the NAP, we just ended it in-game after it had already been broken.
2. That wouldn't be grounds for breaking a NAP anyway.
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So finally faceless won the round but hey, they needed to add players

and message all untagged players,they played it by the fence startegy

wish only other alliances needed to be blamed for, as for spore

who if they won at least we can say they didnt add players but till they fenced

and got ct to take all the bashing,what is suprising that the old allies vikings

faceless who farmed apprime together we fighting after it till round end

i hope not to see any butcher whining AD

yet AGAIN congrats faceless for a so called win
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The more alliances playing, the more you need to relay on politics. We've forgotten how important planning and positioning is in planetarion. Block wars have taken main stage. Politics, Attack, Defence and Internal Affiars are the old positions of planetarion hc's. These four positions were required in every top alliance for a reason. This has not changed. Politics is the best most effective way to get your alliance into a position. In order to, win wars or defend effectively.
If your alliance is taking incoming from a mass amount of others. You failed politics. If you find yourself at war with an alliance you can't seem to land on. You failed politics.

Finally no one give Zhil sh!t about his politics. The guy was a great ally this round. There was plenty of time for spore to drop and hit faceless true. However if you drop and bash your allies every chance you get. You will end up having no support in future rounds. Faceless had many chances to drop with spore and bash earlier also. We choose not to way before, we were close to them in size because of friendship.
Luck had so much to do with the outcome of this round. Spore had good politics and it was great working with zhil this round. if all hc's did politics like him, this game would be a hell of alot harder!
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Finally no one give Zhil sh!t about his politics. The guy was a great ally this round. There was plenty of time for spore to drop and hit faceless true. However if you drop and bash your allies every chance you get. You will end up having no support in future rounds. Faceless had many chances to drop with spore and bash earlier also. We choose not to way before, we were close to them in size because of friendship.
Luck had so much to do with the outcome of this round. Spore had good politics and it was great working with zhil this round. if all hc's did politics like him, this game would be a hell of alot harder!
If Spore had good politics then they would have won the round from the position they were in. Zhil may have played some good politics throughout the round but he did not play good politics when it mattered. That is the difference. It seems that Spore never looked at the Universe page or at the KIA or their own webby and saw that Faceless had 6 planets to add to score fully. Frankly Faceless should have been dealt with straight after or straight before Vikings were dealt with, every tick you left it was an extra tick of belief their members got that they might win it. Anyone looking at Faceless should have automatically added on 25 mill (4 mill ish being the average for a decent untagged planet at round). It also seems that Spore managed to alienate themselves from the rest of the alliances and couldnt gather friends when it really matters. Was this good politics? Dosnt seem so when they couldnt call on anyone to help when they needed it. Faceless from what i have heard bandwagoned onto everyone at some point in the round as each got blocked yet could still call on quite a lot of alliances to help them when shit mattered. Spore couldnt...
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Sorry but every great alliance that wins a round in this game deals with the issues presented to it. The ones that lose rounds didnt deal with the problems, Faceless dealt with the problem of lacking numbers by politically positioning themselves to be favourable winners. Spore didnt deal with Faceless when it was blatantly obvious from like tick 500 that Faceless had a massive shout at winning the round with their setup and political position. Rather than have a nice spread of allies you instead decided to NAP your nearest rival and be friendly towards CT.
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Faceless dealt with the problem of lacking numbers by politically positioning themselves to be favourable winners.
Faceless didn't position themselves to be jackshit. All other contenders took themselves out of the running. Ult for some reason decided they couldn't bounce back after their standard early-round bashing, and took their flak along on a round-long Spore killing mission. Vikings occupied themselved with bullying anyone smaller than them into submission (and failing). CT was being CT (I assume, I don't really know). That's 4 alliances out of the running right there, plus a bunch of small fry kept busy either fighting for their lives or escorting larger alliances in their vendettas.

In the confusion, Faceless slipped through the cracks. But those cracks were not of their own making.

This round was an embarassment to the game.
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Worth pointing out Faceless and Vikings had 25% less members, so incs per member is much more similar.
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Sorry but every great alliance that wins a round in this game deals with the issues presented to it. The ones that lose rounds didnt deal with the problems, Faceless dealt with the problem of lacking numbers by politically positioning themselves to be favourable winners. Spore didnt deal with Faceless when it was blatantly obvious from like tick 500 that Faceless had a massive shout at winning the round with their setup and political position. Rather than have a nice spread of allies you instead decided to NAP your nearest rival and be friendly towards CT.
And what would you do with a preformed block of 6 alliances, all hitting you and promising you that they wont let you win?

Hit faceless and then Ult win?
Hit Ult and faceless win?
Hit CT and have 8 alliances after you?

Sadly pa isnt about who is best anymore, cause as soon as you beat someone, they play 'just to ruin your round'.

Frankly, Faceless had 5 alliances supporting them, napped the universe and still needed to add randoms on the last day to 'win'.

Had they faced what we did, they would have finished 8th.
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And what would you do with a preformed block of 6 alliances, all hitting you and promising you that they wont let you win?

Hit faceless and then Ult win?
Hit Ult and faceless win?
Hit CT and have 8 alliances after you?

Sadly pa isnt about who is best anymore, cause as soon as you beat someone, they play 'just to ruin your round'.

Frankly, Faceless had 5 alliances supporting them, napped the universe and still needed to add randoms on the last day to 'win'.

Had they faced what we did, they would have finished 8th.
Please we can all see the alliance stats you didnt have much inc either. Going into last week of round there were several allianceses willing to hit faceless with you which would get you a lot of xp even if you let the others land on you but you instead decided to try and fence it out and naped faceless.... As for them adding people to tag hey 50 count to score everyone knew this is possible....
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Please we can all see the alliance stats you didnt have much inc either. Going into last week of round there were several allianceses willing to hit faceless with you which would get you a lot of xp even if you let the others land on you but you instead decided to try and fence it out and naped faceless.... As for them adding people to tag hey 50 count to score everyone knew this is possible....
This is exactly my point. You got yourselves in a position where you waited too long to do anything and just ended up making an empty gesture by dropping the nap with faceless with like 40 ticks to go. If you had played the round better you would have had more allies coming into the end of round. If you had been such a bunch of fencers sitting in your 3 way suck off with CT and Faceless for the last half of the round then maybe the likes of ND, HR, Vikings would have joined you to take out Faceless. Lets put the point across here that they had 16 less members than you - thats 48 less fleets every night for attack and defence and you still couldnt beat them.

And mz this round wasnt an embrassment, Faceless just positioned themselves on the boundary of every confrontation and coasted through. When they helped in block wars they were always alliance C or D and let A and B get the grief for the attacks, was very clever tbh. Constant roiding/xp with little reprocussions for alliance members.
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If Spore had good politics then they would have won the round from the position they were in. Zhil may have played some good politics throughout the round but he did not play good politics when it mattered. That is the difference. It seems that Spore never looked at the Universe page or at the KIA or their own webby and saw that Faceless had 6 planets to add to score fully. Frankly Faceless should have been dealt with straight after or straight before Vikings were dealt with, every tick you left it was an extra tick of belief their members got that they might win it. Anyone looking at Faceless should have automatically added on 25 mill (4 mill ish being the average for a decent untagged planet at round). It also seems that Spore managed to alienate themselves from the rest of the alliances and couldnt gather friends when it really matters. Was this good politics? Dosnt seem so when they couldnt call on anyone to help when they needed it. Faceless from what i have heard bandwagoned onto everyone at some point in the round as each got blocked yet could still call on quite a lot of alliances to help them when shit mattered. Spore couldnt...
First spore wasn't ever going to "deal" with faceless because we talked everyday. Up until the end were very close allies. You don't "deal" with people that are trying to help you, even if it's helping them also. You use their support. The only thing that went wrong for spore was, we didn't get bashed. We should have. However we were able to avoid that with our politics.

We slipped through those cracks easy. Only because of the blocks. You guys had way to much built up hate and anger for each other. No one really wanted to be angry at faceless. Cause we never hit anyone but, App ND TGV. All 3 we warred during the round. Keeping our members active and working on our def. In the end when spore finally hit us. Faceless was running perfectly. We could have covered everything in the last few days. However, we kept landing our out of tag members. Then countering to seem like we needed to land spore for xp. I never expected spore to drop and hit us. However that was the best thing they could have did. Soon as they did we were fully able to control their gains perfectly.

Even the escorts of 10 man Vikings + 2 Spore members we stopped. We didn't just win b/c of fencing. In the end we had unreal teamwork from our members. No i'm not saying we could have stopped 3 allies worth of incoming. Cause with these stats, you didn't want more then 2 allies hitting you at once. We did handle anything that came our way.

My goal with politics was simple. Limit our incoming, no more then two alliances at once. Best case is 1v1. The plan was to give members the best round to gain ranks they could. Not to be #1 in the end.
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Please we can all see the alliance stats you didnt have much inc either. Going into last week of round there were several allianceses willing to hit faceless with you which would get you a lot of xp even if you let the others land on you but you instead decided to try and fence it out and naped faceless.... As for them adding people to tag hey 50 count to score everyone knew this is possible....
No there wasn't.

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faceless played it perfect, no-one was willing to hit them
Except Vikings, Spore and Apprime? (to name a few!)
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well vikings did hit you

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Yes they did, as did spore and apprime, which is my point!
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Back to the drawing board forest, for next rounds plans for pa glory
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Back to the drawing board forest, for next rounds plans for pa glory
I love how people keep on blaming Forest or think this round is some slight to Forest in particular.

It isn't. Perhaps if more people didn't conduct petty politics than Planetarion would be more popular and we would see more activity and less blocks.

Congratulations on Faceless for winning, but I disagree on a number of points that has been raised in this thread. (I agree mostly with what mz has said for the record)

I disagree strongly that I was 'outplayed' as many seem to ignore the facts or the complex situations that Spore has been in for this round. All these armchair "HC" should know it was never a simple "drop NAP, hit Faceless". Certain alliances had already decided who they wanted to win based on our participation against Ultores (which may I add, respect to Ultores for putting up a fight even if I disagree with how you conduct yourselves)

Maybe I will be remembered as the HC that wasn't ruthless enough but my politics for Spore are always fair as people in other alliances can attest. I always think to the long-term rather than the short.

At the end of the day, I am proud of Spore's conduct this round and to how it took out of tag to clinch the victory away from us at the last possible moment.
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No there wasn't.

faceless played it perfect, no-one was willing to hit them
Vikings, Apprime if spore joined Conspiracy could probably be persuaded to hit them to so that is 4?
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