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Unread 9 Jan 2014, 13:54   #51
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Re: Galaxy Thoughts

Or perhaps newbie players could join a larger alliance instead of trying to 1man it. As you said nothing much has changed from round 1 as essentially activity + good alliance = good rank.
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Or perhaps newbie players could join a larger alliance instead of trying to 1man it. As you said nothing much has changed from round 1 as essentially activity + good alliance = good rank.

Yes, but how many newbies would the top alliances be able or willing to take each round? Also, most newbies being newbies either 1 man it or join small alliances that dont contend for the top rankings. Today, the best chance a newbie has is landing in a well connected active galaxy. I'd like to see a PA where a newbie who never played before or knows anyone can reasonably have a chance at a top 50 or better planet by being coached by vets that depend on that newbie for thier own successful planet/galaxy. Focusing on newbie success rather than alliance success should be the direction PA should be headed in imo. As Spock would say " the needs of the many(newbies) outweigh the needs of the few(alliances)". Yes, the alliance players are the majority now but THAT is why PA has so few players. The dynamics of the game needs a quantum shift change from the same ole. Its been the same so long that some of the top players just go through the same motions every round without thinking. Everything is predictable. I saw the eroc log where the winning planet just had 6 escorts every attack so easy win for him. Put the newbie on a more even playing field with the vets is what Im suggesting.

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I feel like your analysis of PA is spot on, and if it does not describe the whole problem, it comes pretty close. Alliance elitism and bashing and the lack of willingness to induct new players into the community is a large part of the cause behind the continuing decline of the game. However, your proposed solution is not feasible, nor is it ultimately desireable.

It isn't feasible because even without alliances, people can still defend each other. That's what people did pre-PAX, after all. You could limit defense to within galaxies, but that only deals with half of the issue. You can't ban a bunch of people from cooperating offensively. You need no ingame tools for that, you just launch your attacks all at the same time. Back in round 1, alliances formed spontaneously, because cooperating with other people is objectively the best way to win in PA. You cooperate with other planets in your galaxy, your galaxy cooperates with other galaxies in your cluster, clusters cooperate(d) with other clusters in alliances, and alliances cooperate with each other through NAPs. The more people you cooperate with, the easier the game becomes. Removing the ingame representation of alliances (which is all you can do!) will not change that.

It's not desireable because to a large extent, alliances make up the community. When I said that alliances were formed in order to win, that was only half of the truth: the other half is that the interaction with other people is what keeps people playing, not the game itself, which was never that interesting, and still isn't. Prod ships, launch fleet, check scans, recall or land, rinse, repeat. Not exactly the stuff of legends. Alliances make up a large part of PA's social side, and removing them will make this game worse for everyone who wants to play this game for more than a couple of rounds, which is what is necessary. People playing for one round and then quitting gain us nothing.

This leads us to the following concundrum: we can either have a game with alliances that's hell for new players, or a game without alliances that's boring. Neither is particularly desireable.

What should be done is making it more beneficient for veterans to interact positively with new players. Right now, said interaction is limited to roiding and exiling them. Unfortunately, I don't really know how to do that.

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Unread 9 Jan 2014, 20:33   #54
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I feel like your analysis of PA is spot on, and if it does not describe the whole problem, it comes pretty close. Alliance elitism and bashing and the lack of willingness to induct new players into the community is a large part of the cause behind the continuing decline of the game. However, your proposed solution is not feasible, nor is it ultimately desireable.

It isn't feasible because even without alliances, people can still defend each other. That's what people did pre-PAX, after all. You could limit defense to within galaxies, but that only deals with half of the issue. You can't ban a bunch of people from cooperating offensively. You need no ingame tools for that, you just launch your attacks all at the same time. Back in round 1, alliances formed spontaneously, because cooperating with other people is objectively the best way to win in PA. You cooperate with other planets in your galaxy, your galaxy cooperates with other galaxies in your cluster, clusters cooperate(d) with other clusters in alliances, and alliances cooperate with each other through NAPs. The more people you cooperate with, the easier the game becomes. Removing the ingame representation of alliances (which is all you can do!) will not change that.

It's not desireable because to a large extent, alliances make up the community. When I said that alliances were formed in order to win, that was only half of the truth: the other half is that the interaction with other people is what keeps people playing, not the game itself, which was never that interesting, and still isn't. Prod ships, launch fleet, check scans, recall or land, rinse, repeat. Not exactly the stuff of legends. Alliances make up a large part of PA's social side, and removing them will make this game worse for everyone who wants to play this game for more than a couple of rounds, which is what is necessary. People playing for one round and then quitting gain us nothing.

This leads us to the following concundrum: we can yxeither have a game with alliances that's hell for new players, or a game without alliances that's boring. Neither is particularly desireable.

What should be done is making it more beneficient for veterans to interact positively with new players. Right now, said interaction is limited to roiding and exiling them. Unfortunately, I don't really know how to do that.

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Hi Mzyxptlk. Sorry, still a comp noob aftet all these years. lol Nice to see you still here. Also posting from phone.I also now remember playing round 20something? with you in Acsendency 6 or 7 years ago. I recall we won that round too, hehe.


Anyway, I agree with you for the most part but let's test it to see if true or not for a round or 2. I'd hate to see PA fail because we didnt try things to prove or disprove theorys of ours of what would happen. Fact is none of us KNOW whats the answer until proven. We DO know however what the current course is like. The only fair way to judge is by results. Results never lie. Alliances dominate the game. Player base under 1K. Often harsh, but always. fair. Those are the results. Everything else is just speculation, conjecture, and assumptions includiing my own assessments, theorys, and suggestions. I just want PA headed in a different direction after 55 rounds. Isnt it time?

Btw, we can prevent players from different gals attacking together by having a reservation system where a gal can only attack 1 certain galaxy per daily time period except for retals. Once a galaxy reserves a galaxy to attack, no other galaxy can attack the same galaxy for the reservation time period. This would also ensure only 1 gal attacking your own gal per day or time period plus another gal possibly retaling your attacks on them. Of course info could be leaked but so what? A mow would need to research targets and reserve fast, haha. Knowing you will get incomming isnt that much help. Maybe an allianceless round could be boring to alliance players but maybe not to a newbie. Must we continue to be stuck in the catch22 of satisfying alliances at the expense of gaining new players? Just throwing thoughts out which Im sure has flaws.

The alliance community can continue to be the alliance community testing the theory that its not just about the game itself that keeps them socially interactive with each other. Test it for a round or 2 and lets see. Maybe what Im suggesting is all hogwash and stupid but we havn't tried anything drasically different since the beginning so what do we have to lose?

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Unread 9 Jan 2014, 20:56   #55
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Hi Mzyxptlk. Sorry, still a comp noob aftet all these years. lol Nice to see you still here. Also posting from phone.I also now remember playing round 20something? with you in Acsendency 6 or 7 years ago. I recall we won that round too, hehe.
I have to admit I don't remember you. Found you in my logs though!

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Btw, we can prevent players from different gals attacking together by having a reservation system where a gal can only attack 1 certain galaxy per daily time period except for retals. Once a galaxy reserves a galaxy to attack, no other galaxy can attack the same galaxy for the reservation time period. This would also ensure only 1 gal attacking your own gal per day or time period plus another gal possibly retaling your attacks on them.
Then you just get your friends to book your galaxy every night, and you'll never get incs.

Note that I'm not saying that reducing the scale of cooperation is a bad thing. It isn't, but it has to be done organically or else it won't work at all. People will find a way to cooperate if that's in their best interest. Straight up banning alliances will not prevent that, and as said, I don't know what would.

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Maybe what Im suggesting is all hogwash and stupid but we havn't tried anything drasically different since the beginning so what do we have to lose?
Trust me, if it were stupid I would've told you. :P

Honestly, by this point, you might be right. The game is so small now, and getting smaller every round (though slowly) that pretty soon it will no longer be viable at all. We're already seeing significant stagnation due to the low number of alliances making it hard to create a political balance. On the other hand, I no longer play, so that's easy for me to say.
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Unread 9 Jan 2014, 22:23   #56
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Would it not be possible to have a system where a newbie/non allied player can not be attacked by a player who is in an alliance
The newbie could attack any planet as a planet in an alliance would get def from ally and if he attacks another non allied planet then its a straight 1 on 1 without the instant retal and grinding the guy into the dirt as happens atm
This would stop the newbies being crushed in gal raids night after night with umpteen waves landing on them every time they build a few roids up
and might give them a bit of interest in staying around and joining an alliance to try and progress once they get hooked
people don't want to start a new game and join an alliance and be mega active straight from day 1 they need time to see if they like the game and get a feel for how it works before they commit and become more active
atm if a newbies not in an alliance and not mega active they get exiled until they end up in a dead gal and ground into the dirt every time they build a few roids up or get covoped to death
whos gonna stick around for that let alone pay for it ?
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Would it not be possible to have a system where a newbie/non allied player can not be attacked by a player who is in an alliance
The newbie could attack any planet as a planet in an alliance would get def from ally and if he attacks another non allied planet then its a straight 1 on 1 without the instant retal and grinding the guy into the dirt as happens atm
This would stop the newbies being crushed in gal raids night after night with umpteen waves landing on them every time they build a few roids up
and might give them a bit of interest in staying around and joining an alliance to try and progress once they get hooked
people don't want to start a new game and join an alliance and be mega active straight from day 1 they need time to see if they like the game and get a feel for how it works before they commit and become more active
atm if a newbies not in an alliance and not mega active they get exiled until they end up in a dead gal and ground into the dirt every time they build a few roids up or get covoped to death
whos gonna stick around for that let alone pay for it ?
That's an idea. . That's similar to my having 2 universes, 1 for allianve players, 1 for non alliance randoms suggestion. There are tons of you smart techy types who Im sure could come up with good ideas to make the game more newbie friendly. Sure, there WILL be flaws and players taking advantage of loopholes around a new system but the game is heavily flawed NOW. This is not a knock on PA Team who I think are sincere, hardworking and nice guys wanting the best for everyone. They also are underappreciated to boot. Its just the state of things now and reality. The game is just not newbie friendly, period. The game has not, or will not grow unless we make the game more newbie friendly. There is no if, ands or buts about that. Not changing to a new way pointing out the "possible" flaws of why not is not the answer imo. Risks and sacrifices by both players and PA team will need to be made and necessarry. There will not be a perfect system that satisfys everyone. There will be flaws and mistakes with change but have we been in decay stage or growth for the last 55 rounds?

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Unread 10 Jan 2014, 21:46   #58
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Would it not be possible to have a system where a newbie/non allied player can not be attacked by a player who is in an alliance
The newbie could attack any planet as a planet in an alliance would get def from ally and if he attacks another non allied planet then its a straight 1 on 1 without the instant retal and grinding the guy into the dirt as happens atm
This would stop the newbies being crushed in gal raids night after night with umpteen waves landing on them every time they build a few roids up
and might give them a bit of interest in staying around and joining an alliance to try and progress once they get hooked
people don't want to start a new game and join an alliance and be mega active straight from day 1 they need time to see if they like the game and get a feel for how it works before they commit and become more active
atm if a newbies not in an alliance and not mega active they get exiled until they end up in a dead gal and ground into the dirt every time they build a few roids up or get covoped to death
whos gonna stick around for that let alone pay for it ?
So, if me and my pals dont make a tag, we get no inc. BP sort ingal def and we join forces last tick for allywin. Can also massivly 3 fleet people in a tag, since they cant retal me.

Good idea, +10 in my book
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I think that MZ and Zatoichi is on the right track.

I personally dont belive that three levels of gameplay is required anymore, especially not with so few players.

Galaxies have issues on their own, and could be removed from the game too, causing the game to have only two levels instead of three like it does now.

So I think by removing either alliances or galaxies the game gets more new player friendly and the game develops more of a dynamic that makes it more playable for all.
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i personally like the interaction with 60 or so different people that having an alliance bring to the table. 10 people in gal can get stale after a while
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Here's a perfect example of the extent of the problem. I logged on after the shuffle to find this mail in my Inbox.
STOP THIS HATE (5:8:4) HELLO AND GOOD BYE Sat, 11 Jan 08:02:57
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THIS IS NOT FRIENDLY GALAXY AT ALL SO PLEASE USE SELF EXILE BUTTON AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!

I then visited the galaxy forums to find this thread.
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hi, to get in galchan pls press preference button on tick48 and click self exile button. thanks

Now, while I admit that this second one is actually quite funny it still shows the contempt these people feel for the "ordinary" player. Whatever you're going to do Appocco .... do it quickly.
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pa doesnt stand a chance of surviving with this attitude

Rumour has it, that mail was sent by the leader of the alliance that won last round
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You will always get someone with this attitude tho within the game. This isnt a regularly thing tbh.

This is a problem that would be solved by Private Galaxies tho, if people like carDi could create his galaxy without the need to exile a whole galaxy to get his mates in then you wouldnt get this attitude or situation.

The fact that private galaxies are a potentially great money spinner for PA and is what a lot of people want (aslong as random galaxies arent uncapped cos that is pointless) makes you wonder why we dont have them already. Many moons ago when i played 3mp1r3Quest (wtf it got starred out) you could get a private galaxy of 10 planets for Ģ15. In a universe of about 4k players there was about 30 galaxies like this. That was an instant Ģ450 for the game without doing anything. Now i know PA would only get 5-8 private galaxies formed out of the current playerbase but that would still be Ģ75-100 generated every round for doing **** all. You have to set the random galaxy cap to be competitive. If private galaxy are locked in at 10 planets then randoms have to be capped at 13 including latestarts (tho hopefully that is something else PA team will remove).

Way back we had a round of private galaxies in PA. I hilariously got 8 of my mates from HeX (a mid-lower teir ally) and we had a stab at it. It was a nightmare and we were owned all round long but i think if private galaxies were available the following round i would have tried again. Not every private galaxy will be formed out of elite players from elite alliances, some people just want to play with friends, some have old BG wings that stick together (Im think LazyTown peeps for example) they always BP together and some miss out because of limits, they would buy a galaxy under this idea and there is another easy Ģ15 for letting some buddies play together.
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You will always get someone with this attitude tho within the game. This isnt a regularly thing tbh.
I disagree, this is a regular thing - although it's not usually this blatant.
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Way back we had a round of private galaxies in PA. I hilariously got 8 of my mates from HeX (a mid-lower teir ally) and we had a stab at it. It was a nightmare and we were owned all round long but i think if private galaxies were available the following round i would have tried again. Not every private galaxy will be formed out of elite players from elite alliances, some people just want to play with friends, some have old BG wings that stick together (Im think LazyTown peeps for example) they always BP together and some miss out because of limits, they would buy a galaxy under this idea and there is another easy Ģ15 for letting some buddies play together.
The most fun rounds I ever played were ones where I was on the losing side and my gal was getting humped, but they weren't necessarily private gals, there were some random ones in there too. In the end, it's not private or random that makes the difference, it's when players (whether they chose to be together or not) come together to work towards their goal and realise that as a team, they can have fun and achieve more. Exile single-handedly ruins the chances of this happening for the vast majority of players. It is an absolute disgrace that it has been available as a means of playing the game for so long (rather than as a means of escaping from unavoidable disputes). It has turned far too many players into selfish spoilt brats who, just like a 5-year old child having a tantrum, refuse to play with anyone except a select few and completely lose the social skills required to make new friends and work together with new people. That is what is ruining the game. Make exile far more expensive and difficult and people will be forced to actually take the time and effort to try to work with each other and the game will become a much more welcoming place, as it used to be back in the old days when the community formed into one of the strongest online communities there was.
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The fact that private galaxies are a potentially great money spinner for PA and is what a lot of people want (aslong as random galaxies arent uncapped cos that is pointless) makes you wonder why we dont have them already. Many moons ago when i played 3mp1r3Quest (wtf it got starred out) you could get a private galaxy of 10 planets for Ģ15. In a universe of about 4k players there was about 30 galaxies like this. That was an instant Ģ450 for the game without doing anything. Now i know PA would only get 5-8 private galaxies formed out of the current playerbase but that would still be Ģ75-100 generated every round for doing **** all. You have to set the random galaxy cap to be competitive. If private galaxy are locked in at 10 planets then randoms have to be capped at 13 including latestarts (tho hopefully that is something else PA team will remove).

Way back we had a round of private galaxies in PA. I hilariously got 8 of my mates from HeX (a mid-lower teir ally) and we had a stab at it. It was a nightmare and we were owned all round long but i think if private galaxies were available the following round i would have tried again. Not every private galaxy will be formed out of elite players from elite alliances, some people just want to play with friends, some have old BG wings that stick together (Im think LazyTown peeps for example) they always BP together and some miss out because of limits, they would buy a galaxy under this idea and there is another easy Ģ15 for letting some buddies play together.

I think this would be an oustanding idea to consider this I would still suggest having a stagger like 6-10 for private gal compared to 8-15 for a public gal. (there was a decent mixture with the first xmas round as precident) So there is a balance between gal raidability.

More money for PA, More friendly for noobs as there would be less arseholes in public gals. -side is VNC keeping up with the jones side for private gal wins.
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Hey mz,

remember when we discussed removing galaxies back in 2009? http://pastebin.ca/1587944

Man, those were the times...
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Hi Heartless,

Fancy seeing you here! Come see us in #asc!

Yes, it came to mind a couple of times. I pondered bringing it up, but you know how it goes.
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iīd remove the exiling completely and make the self exiling very very, i mean very expensive and limit it to 1 or 2 times

meanwhile a solution for those inactives would be necessary
maybe a kind of rating system where all galmates can rate every player ingal, once a day for example
call it the galaxies government convention or whateva
To stay in the Gal you need x points, if your below you get a warning, and in the end the boot (moved to a new galaxy).
Maybe planets getting the boot for the x-time get put in a galaxy for the very special, where they can peacefully idle along

So there is still the option to get rid of not contributing indivduals, while it isnt possible to form forts like it is done atm

BPs iīd keep
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priv gals are the solution to the exile system imo. Paisley said it best with the stagger of 6-10 for priv and 8-15 for randoms. No gal exiling, only self and auto.
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priv gals are the solution to the exile system imo. Paisley said it best with the stagger of 6-10 for priv and 8-15 for randoms. No gal exiling, only self and auto.
people would just create giant random gals by exiling.

also, you cannot have a fix sized for random galaxies because people signup throughout the round.

the only solution, in my opinion, is to have small BPs of 3 or 4 and the rest of the galaxy is random. turn off all exiling except auto exile if someone is inactive for a set time and not marked as wanted by the galaxy.

this will force people to interact with whoeva they end up with, and would hopefully force people to help noobs.
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people would just create giant random gals by exiling.

also, you cannot have a fix sized for random galaxies because people signup throughout the round.

the only solution, in my opinion, is to have small BPs of 3 or 4 and the rest of the galaxy is random. turn off all exiling except auto exile if someone is inactive for a set time and not marked as wanted by the galaxy.

this will force people to interact with whoeva they end up with, and would hopefully force people to help noobs.
exactly
though this marked as wanted should be setable by all galmates, not just the ministers.
Pretty much like i mentioned it above (i forgot there is the wanted/trusted/unwanted thingy already, thx reincarnate )
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people would just create giant random gals by exiling.

also, you cannot have a fix sized for random galaxies because people signup throughout the round.
Why cant you you have random galaxies capped at a certain number? say like 14 . When no galaxies exsist with a space then a new galaxy is created. Its not that hard to code surely?!?

Tbh i dont see that an exiling issue will be present anymore with private galaxies anyway. People who play active enough to want to try and win will just buy a galaxy and save all the faff of exiling into a galaxy. It will return exiling to what it is meant for, getting away from inactives, retards and Reincarnate
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Oh, if only people bothered reading before posting. What progress we could make.

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2) means new players joining mid-round get no support - they won't find it so easy to integrate into the game. Let's face it, the community is the reason why people stay and play the game - even envisaged tutorial systems can't really explain it as well as other players.
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Removing/editing PL and removing alliance limits is the start to make this game newbie friendly.
Random gals for those that want that, only 3 tickets of exile and instant resetting of your planet if ur not happy.
Alliances can choose to have priv gals if they want to, if you go into private gal they have to either stay there and in tag or leave either one if they want to leave tag/gal.
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Removing/editing PL and removing alliance limits is the start to make this game newbie friendly.
Random gals for those that want that, only 3 tickets of exile and instant resetting of your planet if ur not happy.
Alliances can choose to have priv gals if they want to, if you go into private gal they have to either stay there and in tag or leave either one if they want to leave tag/gal.

Instant reset = exiling for free.

Innledes you stay in same gal after reset - which would make resetting pointless :-D
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"Innledes"?
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Instant reset = exiling for free.

Innledes you stay in same gal after reset - which would make resetting pointless :-D
You get Three more exiles though
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If you want to make the game newbies friendly "fixing" exile system is not enough... Removal of gal exile is very good idea, the newbie might get some in gal def if he land in a good gal, but this will not help him attack...

Removing the alliances is something that might do the job.

There was some ppl arguing that it will not work coz current alliances will still attack together. Its true, but what is making alliance top tier is the DEFENCE.
I remember in the first rounds there was no alliances... reduced travel time was between galaxies in same cluster. MoCs had work that time coz their task was to organize joint attacks(few galaxies against other), NAPs, defence agreements and so on between galaxies in the same cluster.

In such environment the newbie can taste all aspects of the game and to full scale enjoy it. Buddy packs maybe should be increased so half of the galaxies to be serious players that know the game and can help the newbies.

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P.S. after 5 rounds like this PA community will increase enough so you can get your precious alliances back and preserve the game vital.
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Oh, if only people bothered reading before posting. What progress we could make.
If people actually read the post i made properly instead of trying to be cool then what a better place this game would be.

I actually said and have in all my posts on this about capping random galaxies at somewhere in the 13-14 range and having private galaxies capped at 10 after latestarts (if we must have them). Now if everyone started off in equal galaxies of 8 then that is 6 more people in say 50 galaxies needed before a new galaxy is created. In realistic terms you will never see a new galaxy as we dont have 300 randoms sign up after ticks start. But if we magically did then you would be looking at tick 700-800 before this happened. If you genuinely beleive that those few people (were talking 3-4 groups of players) are seriously gonna sit in shit gals for 700 ticks to just play with each other for 400 ticks then you are gravely mistaken. These people are invested in doing well in the galaxy form of the game, they will buy a private galaxy to ensure they are all together, why would they bother waiting 2/3rds of the round to do it and be so insanely behind everyone that they could never compete, let alone win.
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They do it now, it takes about 300 ticks, not 700, and they're not insanely behind when they're done; they win rounds with it.
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They do it now, it takes about 300 ticks, not 700, and they're not insanely behind when they're done; they win rounds with it.
With my exile system if you arent a full galaxy then you are in the bracket. That means wether you have 8 members or 12 members there is equal chance of an exiler landing in your galaxy. As far as im aware currently people 'abuse' exiling by keeping themselves in a galaxy smaller than the average to keep themselves in a smaller group of galaxy which have priority over other as destination when someone is exiling. If you removed this ability to put yourself in an 'exclusive club' then it would make exiling to create a super galaxy much harder. From the small amount i know about exiling mechanics making a larger pool of potential targets would weaken the abusive element of the system.

If someone wanted to create an entirely new galaxy under the system i proposed then you are waiting for all starting random galaxies to become full. At the start of most rounds now we are having 60 galaxies in the universe, maybe up to 85 with the change to BP sizes. With my system you need new signups to complete the slots in all the galaxies before the creation of an entirely new galaxy. That is upwards of 300 new players required ontop of those who started the round needed before a new galaxy comes into exsistence, now call me pessimistic but i dont believe we even get 200 new signups a round after ticks start, let alone the 300-400 required for this eventuality. So its abusibility becomes moot until the game grows to the point where it evens happens.

Now finally these super galaxies. I think there is basically 4 of them yes? (as in regulars) Shaz's group, Arma's group, Phants group and 'Mercs'. These are the 4 groups of players that go out of their way to play together each round with parts of that group sacrificing their planets to attempt to get together by tick 500 so they can try and win top galaxy. With my idea for exiling, above, these 4 groups would find it vastly harder to become a collective as the odds of landing in a galaxy together would be a lot harder and require ALOT more exiles with a MUCH LARGER pool of galaxies for them to potentially exile into. Comparing this great undertaking to paying Ģ15 to create the galaxy exile free from tick start im pretty confident that PA would be instantly Ģ60 better off each round (Bitcher 4x15=60 before you get too confused).

I dont want these super galaxies gone from PA, they are good for the game i believe but you need to remove the attitude of exiling ANYONE to get your mates in. That is what hurts the game the most, elitism. By offering a way for them to play together without harming new players in the process as is currently the case whilst charging for the privelage (they all buy credits every round so Ģ15 would really be a drop in the ocean) would benefit PA in the long term.
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I dont want these super galaxies gone from PA, they are good for the game i believe but you need to remove the attitude of exiling ANYONE to get your mates in. That is what hurts the game the most, elitism.
seconded

and yes private paid galaxies is ONE way to solve the stated problem
the OTHER is to stop exiling alltogether, then you dont need full private galaxies at all, even though i admit itīd be nice for the PA finance department

but to spread the long time players PA-wisdom amongst the new players it doesnt seem like the right way to me as you simply miss mixing elite-players with nubs
while you probably create an environment where you cant win jackshit without sitting in one of those uber-galaxies yourself
and this might drive more players away from the game as it might gain ( this is totally speculative ofc)
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the OTHER is to stop exiling alltogether
Actually i dont believe this is an option. You cannot remove the ability to move galaxy. If you were an active player that ended up in a completely inactive galaxy then you need a way to get out. You just need to make the system so it cannot be used for unintended reasons. It should be solely for a 'last resort' for a desperate player. It should be expensive but not crippling. Its mechanics shouldnt be 'easily' possible to create something like a super galaxy. It needs to stay in the game though.
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Actually i dont believe this is an option. You cannot remove the ability to move galaxy. If you were an active player that ended up in a completely inactive galaxy then you need a way to get out. You just need to make the system so it cannot be used for unintended reasons. It should be solely for a 'last resort' for a desperate player. It should be expensive but not crippling. Its mechanics shouldnt be 'easily' possible to create something like a super galaxy. It needs to stay in the game though.
yeah agreed, thats why i was in a few posts above stating that selfexiling should be expensive but also limited (maybe 1 or 2 times)
There are no guarantees for an perfect environment in live, why should there be in PA!?
If you still sit in a total inactive galaxy after 2 exiles, well then you better gonna start playing lottery asap.
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yeah agreed, thats why i was in a few posts above stating that selfexiling should be expensive but also limited (maybe 1 or 2 times)
There are no guarantees for an perfect environment in live, why should there be in PA!?
If you still sit in a total inactive galaxy after 2 exiles, well then you better gonna start playing lottery asap.
You've not exiled recently have you?

My recent foray into self-exiling left me stumped as to how people self exile into galaxies together as I struggled to even get into an active galaxy let alone a specific one.
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You ask people to make room in active galaxies and then you (and others) self-exile immediately after. The odds are pretty good.
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You ask people to make room in active galaxies and then you (and others) self-exile immediately after. The odds are pretty good.
nothing to add here

apart from that i actually selfexiled this round, 3 or 4 times
and yes i landed where i wanted to land
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