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Unread 23 Jun 2010, 13:57   #51
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Re: Proud to be FAnG!

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Perhaps it's a matter of interpretation. For me, if 4/6 HC's leave (quit or leave, whatever), then about 66% of your command team is new. Adding to that, alot of our members left aswell.

All in all, we could fairly state that less then 50% of FAnG members in the rounds after round 8 were part of FAnG before.

For me, that's a different alliance. I mean, when we quit FAnG and started Angels, we mostly (for 80% atleast) existed out of ex-FAnG members. So according to your logics, Angels wasn't a new alliance either?

Not that it matters, it's been 5 years ago or more now. I think we could fairly assume that players such as Sun_Tzu and myself have a far better knowledge of the changes between those rounds in FAnG and Angels and such.

I don't mind you having an opinion about it, and the PA Wiki is rather correct so that's good.

Also, we didn't get raped end of r7. We dropped 1 rank (from 3 to 4), as both Fury as Legion were ahead of us already nway.

In round 8 we did indeed screw up. We as in: Rumad and Hinch for kicking out the entire HC, except for me ... but I then left myself. They then folded the alliance. Cray, myself and few others picked it up again and started a new alliance under the same name for r9 and onwards.

You can say what you want, JBG, FAnG has been a succes in most of the rounds we played. Sure we only won 1 round, we often if not always had great impact on the round, the wars in that round and we got praized for our quality members. Sure our tactics, PR and diplomacy wasn't always helping us, we had a great time and alot of the players back then had respect for the alliance. Sure alot hated us big time aswell, but I guess any alliance with a significant impact is hated by atleast some group of players.
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Unread 23 Jun 2010, 14:15   #52
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Re: Proud to be FAnG!

ASC IS EVO = TRUE!

There is a break in continuity, nobody from within the community debates it, that's why there's no argument over it. The name wasn't reverted straight away, but essentially FA and nG merged into FAnG, and when Lockhead left for Eclipse, he took the remaining nG people with him. The alliance went from being germany/uk based to mostly uk-based. It's a clear demographic split, a revert from FAnG back to FA, which later prompted the name being reverted as well. Yes, there was a time-lag in reverting the name, but you just heard one of the ****ing HC's say this was what happened, do you seriously figure you're a better judge of what happened in the alliance?

Come on man, stop stirring shit for the sake of it.

ps. What I said was that the DC's held their own, so you're way off the mark with this whole tirade either way. L2Context man!
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For me, that's a different alliance. I mean, when we quit FAnG and started Angels, we mostly (for 80% atleast) existed out of ex-FAnG members. So according to your logics, Angels wasn't a new alliance either?
Angels was basically FAnG core from the previous rds. It was pretty much the same alliance, albeit with a new name and smaller member base..(comparing to FAnG rd9-11 and not FAnG rd7-8)
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There is a break in continuity, nobody from within the community debates it, that's why there's no argument over it. The name wasn't reverted straight away, but essentially FA and nG merged into FAnG, and when Lockhead left for Eclipse, he took the remaining nG people with him. The alliance went from being germany/uk based to mostly uk-based. It's a clear demographic split, a revert from FAnG back to FA, which later prompted the name being reverted as well. Yes, there was a time-lag in reverting the name, but you just heard one of the ****ing HC's say this was what happened, do you seriously figure you're a better judge of what happened in the alliance?
My bad, it's the only case in history where an alliance continued under the same name but actually changed into an entirely new alliance and nobody at the time even said it was a different alliance. And to be honest I rate kj's opinion about as highly as I would if a donkey happened to vomit what appeared to be a coherent reply to what I was saying onto the ground.

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So according to your logics, Angels wasn't a new alliance either?
It wasn't really "new" in terms of members/HC, which is why the long-running fang/angels jokes actually incorporate both alliances. But judging whether an alliance is new or not is pretty easy. If it has a different name and calls itself a new alliance it's a new alliance.

The only round FAnG or angels was hated by anything other than its own members was probably r10.5 which was pretty badly stagnated. I'm quite glad they existed anyways. Certainly never dull!
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And to be honest I rate kj's opinion about as highly as I would if a donkey happened to vomit what appeared to be a coherent reply to what I was saying onto the ground.
Honnestly I didn't expect anything else from you, but that's no surprise.

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It wasn't really "new" in terms of members/HC, which is why the long-running fang/angels jokes actually incorporate both alliances. But judging whether an alliance is new or not is pretty easy. If it has a different name and calls itself a new alliance it's a new alliance.

The only round FAnG or angels was hated by anything other than its own members was probably r10.5 which was pretty badly stagnated. I'm quite glad they existed anyways. Certainly never dull!
It's funny how your opinion clouded your objectivity. It also shows your lack of knowledge on certain parts of round 7 to 16. Then again, nothing wrong with having your own opinion. Be it that it's based on completely wrong information. But again, in your case that's not a surprise.

Ohh and if Angels/FAnG members hated their own alliance, then they're either incredibly stupid for staying, or you're just making this up. Did I say I'm not surprised?
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My bad, it's the only case in history where an alliance continued under the same name but actually changed into an entirely new alliance and nobody at the time even said it was a different alliance.
The alliance disbanded, half of the members left, nearly all of the original HC and some of the officers left. None of these returned. I really didn't realize this was a point of contention, I've always assumed everyone agreed that FAnG died early rnd8. At least this has been the common view of those of my friends who were in the original FAnG. FAnG and Angels have never been the same thing for me, and I am forever loyal to the original FAnG, and only joined Angels in the hopes of getting some of what was lost back. Sadly, this has never really happened.
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The alliance disbanded, half of the members left, nearly all of the original HC and some of the officers left. None of these returned. I really didn't realize this was a point of contention, I've always assumed everyone agreed that FAnG died early rnd8. At least this has been the common view of those of my friends who were in the original FAnG. FAnG and Angels have never been the same thing for me, and I am forever loyal to the original FAnG, and only joined Angels in the hopes of getting some of what was lost back. Sadly, this has never really happened.
Don't bother, he's biassed and thinks he knows better. Let him.

Nothing beats FAnG round 7 (in terms of FAnG/Angels). Peronally I enjoyed Angels alot aswell, mainly because we had a very high quality core (being top 3 in avg score in most ifnot all rounds Angels played). Though the setup and mission of Angels was somewhat different then that of FAnG. So joining Angels and expecting it to be FAnG would make you desillusionned.

Angels was more relax, more easy going for me. We did't have epic wars with Angels as we had with FAnG like in round 9 against EET (Eclipse, Elysium, ToT) where we switched #1 spot more then 5 times during the round.

You are correct, FAnG ceased to exist end of round 8. We picked it up again and started over, be it with mostly a new setup both in command as in memberbase. It doesn't matter if the outside world would perceive us as the same FAnG. Perhaps we should have renamed to make it more obvious.
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Re: Proud to be FAnG!

And in other news the average number of facts per kjeldoran argument has dropped to 0.0000000047. How low can it go!

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The alliance disbanded, half of the members left, nearly all of the original HC and some of the officers left. None of these returned. I really didn't realize this was a point of contention, I've always assumed everyone agreed that FAnG died early rnd8. At least this has been the common view of those of my friends who were in the original FAnG. FAnG and Angels have never been the same thing for me, and I am forever loyal to the original FAnG, and only joined Angels in the hopes of getting some of what was lost back. Sadly, this has never really happened.
So Angels started in like r9 or 10 or something for you? And they just didn't happen to rename the alliance until round 12?

Does nobody else find this slightly absurd?





PS Sorry kjel I still don't have two asses

PPS You fought EET in r10, not r9. But don't worry, it's me who's totally unaware of the facts!
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You can go lower, I'm no where near your standards here yet.

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So Angels started in like r9 or 10 or something for you? And they just didn't happen to rename the alliance until round 12?

Does nobody else find this slightly absurd?
There was more difference between FAnG R7-8 and FAnG R9-11 then there was between FAnG R11 and Angels. But just because we renamed the alliance, it was more perceived as a new alliance.

Angels was in essence the FAnG core (FAnG Core of R10-11), but with the initial focus on being a battlegroup.

Perhaps we made the mistake of not renaming the alliance start of round 9.

JBG, is any of what I just said not true? Because you question my credibility but on the other hand you do not pick out the flaws in my statement.
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Correct, that was round 10. So I switched some rounds, the content of what I said still stands.
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You can go lower, I'm no where near your standards here yet.
Because the intervening years don't seem to have improved your ability to think whatsoever here are the main points of the argument:

1) Some of the original HC returned after Round 8.
2) The playerbase, although different, bore significant similarities.
3) There were zero people, inside FAnG or outside, who, at the time, declared it was a new alliance.
4) Members, and HC, of FAnG from after round 8 repeatedly reference the earlier versions with the implicit understanding that they were the same alliance.

As regards Angels, here's your take on it:

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Irvine's not playing r16 ... Irvine is an HC and the best DC in this game. that however does not mean his friends are protected. Infact, some of his friends that applied got rejected by me.

We're not FAnG. You know NOTHING about us. You assume we're the same pple as we were 4 rounds ago, when you ran off like a coward during the round ... not the first time you did I hear.

Pple change, alliances change. Angels was founded for a reason, not just to 'rename' FAnG. If you believe that to be the case then I'm sure every single Angel will tell you differenty. Then again, I'm sure you'll still claim you know better when it comes to Angels, even if all Angels claim differently
Here's you posting FAnG's disband thread



PS From now on I'm just going to respond to everything you post by quoting your own earlier posts.


Edit: Actually I think I might just stop responding. Much like why I got rid of every football I own I decided to give up pointless things this year.
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Because the intervening years don't seem to have improved your ability to think whatsoever here are the main points of the argument:

1) Some of the original HC returned after Round 8.
2) The playerbase, although different, bore significant similarities.
3) There were zero people, inside FAnG or outside, who, at the time, declared it was a new alliance.
4) Members, and HC, of FAnG from after round 8 repeatedly reference the earlier versions with the implicit understanding that they were the same alliance.

As regards Angels, here's your take on it:



Here's you posting FAnG's disband thread



PS From now on I'm just going to respond to everything you post by quoting your own earlier posts.
Ohh but Angels is a new alliance, I never contested that. I just used it in your logics as I seem more differences in memberbase and command team between "FAnG and FAng > r8" and "FAnG and Angels". That's my point.

But ok, we made a disband thread and we gave the new alliance a new name (Angels). So do those 2 indicate it was more of a "new" alliance then before? As the HC was still very similar (Me, Alch, Irvine, Alki (who was a BC in FAnG), ...).

Like I said, perhaps we should have renamed FAnG end of round 8. Since the nG part more or less left, we should have indeed. The identity of the alliance (as it was originally) dissappeared.

P.S. you actually think it's weird I know things less detailed now, 4 years after I quit) then back then? And plz do reply to your pm.
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Hehe, if I'd had the time, I'd probably return. Some pple have already asked me to reform the alliance lol.
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Oh god no, the return of KJ, he'll make cardi seem competent!
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First of all yes it does. Secondly I wasn't lying, the return of kjeldoran and FAnG to PA would be entertaining enough to keep me logging in next round.
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First of all yes it does. Secondly I wasn't lying, the return of kjeldoran and FAnG to PA would be entertaining enough to keep me logging in next round.
Guess you'll have a problem finding motivation then, next round. As it ain't gonna happen.
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Becides, you'd be surprised howmuch players would genuinly encourage FAnG to come back, not just to mock with like in your case.
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Arguing with Kj is like donating gal funds to Zhil... it seems to make sense at the time, but in the end it just makes you look like an idiot for bothering.
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Zhil top100 had a chance to succeed... Kj is just plain fail
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I don't see how that is my problem or my concern really.

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i doubt it had anyone involved from the old chain of command... most likely alch/irvine trying to restart angels.... because i remember them trying that then failing because both went away
No idea what you are talking about, I don't think I ever logged in PA since round 16 or 17
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I did finish top 100 in my PA career.

Eclipse. I nearly caused a civil war over it - to where the Focht camp of Eclipse sized up to retaliate on me, but due to my beaming Fury good looks where Focht had T&P on his side (who were mostly anti-Wrath) I commanded more respect in the alliance itself.

Had Rob on my side along with Hicks/Germania and a huge base of ex-Fury/Wraith.

The civil war was all set up for happening, the two sides staring eachother down to protect my likkle top 100 planet.

Focht and T&P elements in Eclipse backed down when Focht realized he loved me and my Furyism .
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OMG another 'lets slate FaNG' post

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I can't believe I opened this thread. That is a small portion of my life I can never recover.

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I did finish top 100 in my PA career.

Eclipse. I nearly caused a civil war over it - to where the Focht camp of Eclipse sized up to retaliate on me, but due to my beaming Fury good looks where Focht had T&P on his side (who were mostly anti-Wrath) I commanded more respect in the alliance itself.

Had Rob on my side along with Hicks/Germania and a huge base of ex-Fury/Wraith.

The civil war was all set up for happening, the two sides staring eachother down to protect my likkle top 100 planet.

Focht and T&P elements in Eclipse backed down when Focht realized he loved me and my Furyism .
I don't remember this, have I developed Alzheimers, or was I down the pub when it all happened?
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I can't believe I opened this thread. That is a small portion of my life I can never recover.
Which makes it all the more dull, as you actually knew it was gonna take a small portion of your life you could never recover.
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got a message on fb something about PA so I decided to check out the forums again since my last visit here .."You last visited: 1 Aug 2007 at 19:19"

dunno if anyone remembers me but I was a BC in FAnG..back in r7 and deus ex before that if I remember correctly. my nick used to be Fighters/HelloJD

i def remember some of the names i'm seeing here. maybe FAnG should come back for another rnd
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found this


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I sincerely apologize for being the person responsible that stole a small portion of your life.

Tis, your neg rep was completely justified, I shall not steal what is not mine.
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Anf Hi Fighters, ofc I remember you :-)
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just played the mini winter round. pa is still kinda fun
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Yeh i also just returned in the winter round and got re-hooked, hence the post on FA forums :P

i doubt we'll see FA again on PA, but would love to be proved wrong
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yeah we have tried it before, doubt we will try it again, but you could always count me in!

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