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Unread 9 Jan 2006, 15:44   #51
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

This is taken from a log that was published "some" time ago. Found it on some harddrive back home when I was back for christmas.

<CryWolf> I was hoping this was the beginning of something better
<CryWolf> maybe I was wrong
<[ND]Sith> s'thing better
<[ND]Sith> ?
<[ND]Sith> for who?
<CryWolf> a better relationship between our two alliances
<[ND]Sith> Ah u lose a few members to WP and suddenly u need to get the 'lesser' alliance such as ND under u're control
<CryWolf> no
<[ND]Sith> Do u really have no idea
<[ND]Sith> how much u are hated?

There is clearly alot of love in the air here
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

The most HATED alliances of PA are

Fury and Vts - Funny thing this, if you werent either alliance you generally saw them as the big evil to take down. Im sure though fury members didnt like vts members and vice versa. Personally I never had any real gripes with either alliance, wasnt there fault the rest were pretty shit in comparison (apart from 3 allies maybe)

LDK - I remember the hate towards them, at least the people I hung around with we had no real time of day for LDK and didnt like them, I also remember the anti LDK feeling (especially after the cheating and CC thing that bankrupt pa) I had respect for them, but I hated them...quite simply.
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Unread 9 Jan 2006, 20:57   #53
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

My 2 cents

Hate is the wrong word here, the best word to use is dislike.

I never liked the way Vts played PA but that might be cos I was on the recieving end of their fleets
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Unread 9 Jan 2006, 21:16   #54
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

Fury for being best.

LDK for several incidents (and cause of Fury propaganda, it was still most feared enemy BG.)
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Unread 9 Jan 2006, 21:29   #55
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Unread 10 Jan 2006, 02:16   #56
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It would be bad for the ego of some pple to not claim Fury is the most hated alliance
banned, one week for being a prat and abusive to another user on AD

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Fury... Tis told me to f*ck off when I applied :'(
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Unread 10 Jan 2006, 03:24   #58
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banned, one week for being a prat and abusive to another user on AD
good god, if thats all it takes to get banned, how the hell are any of us still able to post?
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I'm a little concerned at that ban, would have thought a warning would suffice...
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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good god, if thats all it takes to get banned, how the hell are any of us still able to post?
ay, I thought that was what we did here?

Be abusive to other posters


-didnt read his post, so not saying it was wrong to ban him-
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

NoS iz zee devil.
Horray for attacking them while napped to them.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

The alliance i've hated the most is 1up. Not for their ingame actions but for some of their members behaviour on AD
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good god, if thats all it takes to get banned, how the hell are any of us still able to post?
I bribed Lokken

No seriously, I didn't read what he posted though given he got banned because of it I assume he doesn't really wub me all that much
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I would guess it was probably Fury who have been the most hated with LDK a close second. Personally though the only alliance that has managed to annoy me is Rah.
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Zhil: u arent worth Sid, dont try his BS intelligent talk

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Why is everyone putting alliances down that they hated?

Wasn't LDK seemingly hated more than Fury in public for much more questionable 'events' (much similiar and inline to the more present eXilition).
Or maybe it was the same ppl like u who played back in the old days and painted false pr around the 1 enemy that u couldn't match in skill. Since I wasn't LDK I couldn't say, tho suddenly given thought to it after playing these 2 rounds in eXilition, such a scenario wouldn't sound so far out...
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

well fury and ldk of the good old days then ppl actually played the game had a nice rep to be the bad guys

nowadays its not really anyone left playing :/ (its harder to be the bad boys vs 30k players than erm 2k)

so atm its just a bunch of girlietalk here that dont make a dent on the carpet scary isnt it?
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

well, thus far eXilition has not paid for almost all its members with fraudulant credit cards, and I would hope if your going to account share, that the techniques used would be better than the old LDK method (Most of the core lived within Minutes of each other) where they would all log into each others accounts ;-)

I always had a certain fondness for LDK in a way, but then again, thats cause I liked almost all the members I ever spoke to during LDK's 'prime' rounds.
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im quite sure NoS had been the alliance more hated for many many rounds of pa , no doubt .
Don't try and make NoS seem more significant than it was. It pissed off people fairly often, but I think most the time, it was too much of an 'also ran' for any large portion of the community to dislike it.
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Or maybe it was the same ppl like u who played back in the old days and painted false pr around the 1 enemy that u couldn't match in skill. Since I wasn't LDK I couldn't say, tho suddenly given thought to it after playing these 2 rounds in eXilition, such a scenario wouldn't sound so far out...
LDK was an alliance to behold. There are logs around from their private server of their account sharing from as late as r8. Romanian/Lithuanian people were BANNED from playing because of LDK.

There may or may not be questionable behaviour in exilition (not something this thread is duscussing), but let's say for a minute for the sake of argument that things accused are true, exilition would still hold nothing to LDK when it comes to questionnable/illegal/immoral behaviour.
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LDK was an alliance to behold. There are logs around from their private server of their account sharing from as late as r8. Romanian/Lithuanian people were BANNED from playing because of LDK.

There may or may not be questionable behaviour in exilition (not something this thread is duscussing), but let's say for a minute for the sake of argument that things accused are true, exilition would still hold nothing to LDK when it comes to questionnable/illegal/immoral behaviour.
I never compared LDK to eXiltion or vice versa, u did. I commented on the fact how easy buying this community is and how certain ppl have learned to exploit that fact without facts. From that wiev, it's quite possible even LDK was only half as bad as they made out to be. No way however can it be denied sum of their actions went below bad taste (such like paying accounts in questionable methods).
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I'm going to have to vote the lovely guys of Fang for this one.

Fury always played to win. Ruthlessly, efficiently, but well.
LDK had dodgy behaviour and paid the price with a ban.
Fang was always making decisions at the expense of people around them, and ended up winning for it. With overblocking, constantly supporting dubious players, and never getting kjel gagged for more than 30 seconds, Fang certainly wins the loser award.
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Fang was always making decisions at the expense of people around them, and ended up winning for it. With overblocking, constantly supporting dubious players, and never getting kjel gagged for more than 30 seconds, Fang certainly wins the loser award.
That's LURVE right there.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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Don't try and make NoS seem more significant than it was. It pissed off people fairly often, but I think most the time, it was too much of an 'also ran' for any large portion of the community to dislike it.
Most of the time, yeah.

He's got a point however... R4...?
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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Don't try and make NoS seem more significant than it was. It pissed off people fairly often, but I think most the time, it was too much of an 'also ran' for any large portion of the community to dislike it.
I don't think wether NoS was significant or not is important, I know more who dislike NoS then dislike Fury, pretty much for the same reason I posted above.
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I'm going to have to vote the lovely guys of Fang for this one.

Fury always played to win. Ruthlessly, efficiently, but well.
LDK had dodgy behaviour and paid the price with a ban.
Fang was always making decisions at the expense of people around them, and ended up winning for it. With overblocking, constantly supporting dubious players, and never getting kjel gagged for more than 30 seconds, Fang certainly wins the loser award.
Hehe, I'm sure me being FAnG HC was a good motivation of some/most to really dislike FAnG ...

And well, Xto, we all make mistakes and learn from them, I'm not any different there. FAnG made alot of mistakes but did some good things aswell.

And well ... Ely was on my list aswell

Btw the overblocking remark is rather cheap. Ely was a joke in r10.5 and Eclipse quit PA, that's the reason why our block owned everyone big time and that's why it seemed we overblocked. We didn't, but the competition was laughable ...

Maybe you should point the finger to your own alliance for not being able to play a decent round in r10.5, rather then blaming those that do manage to get a decent level.
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Did I just open my eyes and see a round 3 post on AD.
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Past: Legion, Fury, LDK
Present: eXilition, 1up, Angles, LCH

Personally I've only ever disliked, even close to hated Legion for destroying all of my alliances priv gals during r7 I've forgiven and even become friends with the BC responceble since then though (hey Stals )
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Where did all of the WaC members go once they'd been defeated? Did they create WP? someone fill in the gaps

I always disliked anyone that bashed me, pretty typical I guess.
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To the person who anonymously negrepped at least have the balls to say who you are. I have a reason for each and every alliance I named there, I didn't even play last round, that was over the past few rounds (going back to round 12 as 'current') I've been playing for 10 rounds now so I think I should have a general idea about that. And I'm not voicing which I personally hate, I'm just saying which I think are THE most hated now/old rounds, which is the entire topic point, so telling me I'm not adding anything to the topic is rediculous. I have friends in all of those alliances in the most hated list of present, most of them I know a number of past/present HC from.
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Neg reppers are notorious cowards ;-)
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Where did all of the WaC members go once they'd been defeated? Did they create WP? someone fill in the gaps
A lot of them left with the legion wing splitting from inside concordium and a fair amount of the decent ex-WaC planets went to fury or legion afterwards. WaC wasn't so much defeated in a war as it just collapsed. WP was created by sid and biggdogg in r3 as an elite alliance. I think it was their private bg prior to that but I'm not sure.
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it was a bg for quite a while before it became an alliance.

as for wac, there were several alliances formed from its ashes, though I cant really remember that clearly anymore, I know Elysium was formed from wac members, but im not sure whether lost and sedition were as well. too long ago tbh.
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Sedition was a lot of WaCjr I think. If anyone's interested there might be information on either the pawiki or scouse's planetarion history.
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Maybe you should point the finger to your own alliance for not being able to play a decent round in r10.5, rather then blaming those that do manage to get a decent level.
I would much rather point the finger at the alliance that gathered together the three of the most powerful groups in the round, rolled over the already weakened competition, and spent the next 2 months running around behind the scenes trying to get everyone else to take out Phraktos for you, because Fang was too scared to risk their rank and break the alliance themselves.
After seeing the block setup before the round began, I did push for moving Ely into Pl@netia only, but was outvoted. Your shenanigans convinced our few remaining members not to pay cash in order to sit in a one-sided block war again, and so we moved on.

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so you chose round 10.5?

I can think of far worse rounds.
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I would much rather point the finger at the alliance that gathered together the three of the most powerful groups in the round, rolled over the already weakened competition, and spent the next 2 months running around behind the scenes trying to get everyone else to take out Phraktos for you, because Fang was too scared to risk their rank and break the alliance themselves.
After seeing the block setup before the round began, I did push for moving Ely into Pl@netia only, but was outvoted. Your shenanigans convinced our few remaining members not to pay cash in order to sit in a one-sided block war again, and so we moved on.

And don't get me started on TouriQueT.
MISTU and Phraktos were NEW alliances, unestablished, not proven shit all ... Ely however just won a round, if we wanted to block the strongest alliances, we'd have approached ToT and Elysium ... but we didn't.

You failed to put up any competition. You performed on a pathetic level, hence we took the lead so quickly. That is your call, you decided to play like that. We never pushed you to make that decision.

We were #1, we do not risk our position so Elysium can have a fun round. Infact, we don't give a fk whether Elysium enjoys the round or not. We're not playing for your pleasure. No alliance would ever risk their goals just so their enemies can have a more fun round ...

Touriquet was idd a dubious person and we realized that too late. Didn't you however recruit 40% of FAnG end r10, while screaming all FAnG are cheaters ... hence you admit you took in what you claim to be cheaters, to boost your final rank ....

I find it pathetic that you'd point the finger at us while you failed to put up any competions. That we pushed other alliance to do our dirty work is what we call politics. It happens each round, sometimes more subtle then other times.

But it's easier to blame others then blaming yourself, isn't it?
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We were #1, we do not risk our position so Elysium can have a fun round. Infact, we don't give a fk whether Elysium enjoys the round or not. We're not playing for your pleasure. No alliance would ever risk their goals just so their enemies can have a more fun round ...
Deus did.

EXilition has.

1up has.

Face it, your alliance was just inferior.
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Deus did.

EXilition has.

1up has.

Face it, your alliance was just inferior.
Lol, Deus never did, Exi surely never did and 1up didn't either.

Fun aye, twisting the reality like you just did? Show me where Exi hit its allies when it was nearly certain of the round SO OTHER ALLIANCES WOULD HAVE A FUN ROUND ASWELL ...

Then show me the same for 1up and Deus. Ifnot, then you're just wrong.

And well, don't let your 'dislike' cloud your judgement, that's why I always criticized your modding abilities ...
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Lol, Deus never did, Exi surely never did and 1up didn't either.

Fun aye, twisting the reality like you just did? Show me where Exi hit its allies when it was nearly certain of the round SO OTHER ALLIANCES WOULD HAVE A FUN ROUND ASWELL ...

Then show me the same for 1up and Deus. Ifnot, then you're just wrong.

And well, don't let your 'dislike' cloud your judgement, that's why I always criticized your modding abilities ...
1up's basic return policy considering playing on their own atleast was a step in the right direction to make the round more enjoyable and less boring for the rest of the alliances, simply stepping back into the fray and ally the decent alliances out there would've been easier, they chose not to, whether you like to believe that or not, with the intention of making the coming round a bit more fun to play again. (Ofcourse, the confidence in their own abilities to outperform each and every other alliance made it easy for them to take this stance).

Deus was formed with the sole intention of creating a stagnation-free round, as far as I can remember. I also wonder why you dragged the 'attacking your allies'-point in there. Nowhere did I see Jester claim those alliances attacked their allies, only that they 'risked their goals so their enemies could have a more-fun round'. For Deus, however, It's a bit harder I guess. If their sole goal was creating a stagnation-free round, then they did not risk their goals, as they were busy achieving them. If their goals were to win a round, they risked it by making it more fun, I think a combination of both would be fairly correct.

As I wasn't involved / interested in what way whatsoever last round, I have no idea how eXi fit the criteria put up. Banned...?
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First of all, Kjeldoran, I quoted you saying 'risk our position', not 'break our NAP'.

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Show me where Exi hit its allies when it was nearly certain of the round SO OTHER ALLIANCES WOULD HAVE A FUN ROUND ASWELL ...
I heartily enjoyed EX breaking its NAP with ND.

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Then show me the same for 1up and Deus. Ifnot, then you're just wrong.
1up regularly risks easy victories in favor of hard won ones. Going solo in r11, going into r12 with ~50 members and a self-imposed limit of 2/3 the regular max. Going into round 13 without a day's preperation before the ticks started. And so on.

For Deus Ex Machina, the goal was the means. But certainly failure was risked when Deus went up against Xanadu. Allies such as nos and WP turned their back on them, several good members in conflicted galaxies left.

In all these cases, the risk paid off. It's easy in hindsight to try to say that these were all sure things, but no one can predict the future, and as even as predictable as PA can be, it is always a tough decision to make.
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First of all, Kjeldoran, I quoted you saying 'risk our position', not 'break our NAP'.

I heartily enjoyed EX breaking its NAP with ND.


1up regularly risks easy victories in favor of hard won ones. Going solo in r11, going into r12 with ~50 members and a self-imposed limit of 2/3 the regular max. Going into round 13 without a day's preperation before the ticks started. And so on.

For Deus Ex Machina, the goal was the means. But certainly failure was risked when Deus went up against Xanadu. Allies such as nos and WP turned their back on them, several good members in conflicted galaxies left.

In all these cases, the risk paid off. It's easy in hindsight to try to say that these were all sure things, but no one can predict the future, and as even as predictable as PA can be, it is always a tough decision to make.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying FAnG r10.5 was the way to win (though a win is a win). I'm playing with Angels now and on terms of playing solo and making the round interesting, we sure are on the same level as 1up etc.

But it's only in the most recent rounds that alliances tried their luck in a somewhat solo setup or setup with temp naps etc.

About the risk paying off ... I'm sure FAnG could afford taking that risk as we'd have won anyway that round. I'm just responding to pple pointing the finger to us for so called creating a superior block while we allied new, unproven alliances and we didn't forsee such a weak competition.

The round before our alliance crumbled 2 weeks before the round ended. Literally crumbled really. So don't you think it'd be wise NOT to take risks we don't need to take and focus on the victory and nothing else?
Nway, that's 5 rounds ago. Angels can not be compared with FAnG and our playing style and goals and politics have changed. I think last round Angels sure was one of the main alliances and we'll be the first to play solo rounds and we'll be the last who resort to blocks to secure our win.

I've already won a round as a major block ... time for something else, not?
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1. Take time off from Planetarion
2. One day -- year(s) later, bored at work fire up the pirate forums
3. Put a spin on old events and see if anyone remembers better
4. Repeat
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i think WaC was the one I hated the most, then fury. Elysium pissed me off afew time aswell because of incompetent command, altho their web forum did make up a lot
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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I heartily enjoyed EX breaking its NAP with ND.
eX, as in eXilition. And round 15, right?

ND HC feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware, ND hit eXi first (that was their night of -18.4% roids. The next night on ND was their retaliation). Though it wasn't an official NAP either and as such it wasn't broken, but I'll let you off on that since for all intents and purposes it was a NAP as we didn't hit them for a period. Waste of fleets etc.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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eX, as in eXilition. And round 15, right?

ND HC feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware, ND hit eXi first (that was their night of -18.4% roids. The next night on ND was their retaliation). Though it wasn't an official NAP either and as such it wasn't broken, but I'll let you off on that since for all intents and purposes it was a NAP as we didn't hit them for a period. Waste of fleets etc.
Ah, true. My mistake.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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No alliance would ever risk their goals just so their enemies can have a more fun round ...
I honestly think that publicly declaring war against another alliance is a sort of "risking" your alliance's goals. And even if after doing so, your allies become very attractive targets by the rest of the universe (like what happened with Insomnia and LCH and a bunch of other war declarations in the past), alliances still publicly declared wars to keep the fun in the round.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

muahahahahh

I must say Concordium/Legion...wanna know why???

cause i was there.....ahahahaha

/me comes back to rule once more
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I never noticed it before, but if you look at his avatar from a distance, i can easily mistake his bended knee.
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