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Unread 6 Jan 2006, 08:43   #1
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Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

This is just pure observation from various posts on AD these past recent rounds, I would say around R12 to R13, there were a lot of anti-1up and anti-ND. Anti-SiN and ND for that controversial merge. The last tick of R12, and rolling into R13, saw a few of anti-Angels. And most recently were anti-eXilition.

These are observations though, based on threads created and how posters react to certain alliances on AD. Me personally, I don't quite know. Alliances of course, do shift political strategies each round so it's going to be very hard to pin point exactly who the most hated alliances are throughout PA history.

Maybe you guys can enlighten the community by stating certain alliances you think are most hated and state why. And, just to clear things up, this thread was not meant to trigger flames but a healthy discussion as to why certain alliances were hated at the time or why they are still hated to this very day.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

LDK or Fury imo..

LDK for being infamously dubious in their playstyle. I must admit I will never believe that they play fair, furthermore they were very successful which tends to piss people off

Fury for being annoyingly successful, also their leader Syn_Sid has for some reason always been easy to hate. I remember way back when; I didnt really have a reason to dislike him, yet I did.. Strange
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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Fury for being annoyingly successful, also their leader Syn_Sid has for some reason always been easy to hate. I remember way back when; I didnt really have a reason to dislike him, yet I did.. Strange
strangely enough, but it is - as you said - the success what makes people envious.

back in the old days it were certainly Fury and Legion. They were always seen as the root of all evil from the bigger part of the universe.

when i talk to some people they still dont like people out of that era and if you ask them why they dont like them you nearly never get any good reason.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I think Fury must be the most hated alliance in PA history. Why? Because of their succes. You either like Fury (mostly the members) or you're against them. Not much pple are neutral towards Fury. I personally like Fury alot, never had that hate feeling towards them.

Alliances that I'd rate high on my dislike scale would be: Virus, Titans, Elysium and Eclipse (and ND from time to time).

Also, I believe FAnG was one, if not the most hated alliance during r7 untill r10.5 ... I don't think there are many alliances that had to endure the same for rounds on AD. I think it was easy to hate FAnG

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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

NoS havent exactly been held at high esteem for their cynical way of playing this game.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

Think it'd have to be one of either, Fury, Xanadu or Legion. They were the forerunners or everything else.

Though, the amount of hate an alliance generates, is usually determined by a few things; how successful they are. how they achieve victory and who's in the alliance.

Personally i've never really hated an alliance, though i've disliked a few for having such twats as members or even worse as command.
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Think it'd have to be one of either, Fury, Xanadu or Legion. They were the forerunners or everything else.

Though, the amount of hate an alliance generates, is usually determined by a few things; how successful they are. how they achieve victory and who's in the alliance.

Personally i've never really hated an alliance, though i've disliked a few for having such twats as members or even worse as command.
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Also, I believe FAnG was one, if not the most hated alliance during r7 untill r10.5 ... I don't think there are many alliances that had to endure the same for rounds on AD. I think it was easy to hate FAnG

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that was not really hate i would say or maybe a different kind of. fang never really outplayed someone like Fury/Legion did - Fang was disliked for different issues.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

FAnG were not particularly liked in R10.5 for building the most dominating block since Nahrweetfzdrhvf.
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FAnG were not particularly liked in R10.5 for building the most dominating block since Nahrweetfzdrhvf.
Because obviously FAnG was the evil brain behind the huge block. 2 fact I'd like to present here:

1: Not our fault that the opposing block was a joke (low competition since eclipse quit, Ely couldn't be arsed) ...
2: we had a block with Mistu and Phraktos. 2 newly formed alliances. Pharktos made the deal with WP.

I understand everyone is pissed off cause we whiped everyone's ass with such ease (for whatever reason). But our block wasn't "large" compared to the blocks in the previous 2-3 rounds, nor was our block based on established alliances (mistu and phraktos were new) ... and when you're already #1, it's not OUR job to break up the block. That's the job of the other allies that want a shot at #1 ...

Yet everyone seems to put the blame for a dominating block on FAnG? Why? Because we won that round?

Also, the dislike towards FAnG didn't start in r10.5, it started in r7 and kept going without any pauzes until end of r11

Not that I mind, but the topic of this thread was to name the most hated alliance. I think between those rounds, FAnG was a very disliked/hated alliance ... for whatever reason.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

i and many of my fellow Xanadian's disliked NoS a lot after the NoCeX rnd, also Fury for being our enemy for so long, i never disliked Legion i always wanted to play a rnd there, i used to love their symbol/logo, they made the best gal banners i have ever seen, who made them anyone remember?

Definatly NoS/Fury was who i disliked
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

Round 10 (when I started), I disliked Elysium the most, they were our enemies, and seeing them defend Walken so adamantly when he'd blatantly cheated left a bitter taste. Round 10.5, it was mainly FAnG (and partly mistu) for their refusal to do anything which could lead to an interesting round.

Round 12 it was LCH which annoyed me the most, due to their insistance on playing for second and as such, it damaged my alliance's hopes. Round 13 LCH played excellently, and it was NoS I grew to hate. Mainly for the arrogance of some of their members towards me.

Round 14 onwards, haven't really disliked anyone. So the only alliance which I've disliked and has done nothing to change my opinion of them were NoS. I've liked chatting to kargool since then, but the taste they left in my mouth was very bitter and I'm sorry to say that, the bitter soul I am, I laughed when they disbanded. They say revenge is a dish best served cold, and since I'm lazy, I'm not bothered whether I'm involved in preparing the dish or not.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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i and many of my fellow Xanadian's disliked NoS a lot after the NoCeX rnd,
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Was pretty mutual aswell, due to pretty much the same reasons you list
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Round 10.5, it was mainly FAnG (and partly mistu) for their refusal to do anything which could lead to an interesting round.
In all honnesty, Gate, what does the #1 alliance have to do then? I'm quite confident you'd have done nothing either (proven this round). You're already #1, why risk that position by starting needless wars? It was upto the allies in the block to make a move.
Alliances don't play to make the round fun for others. Sure, each alliance has the responsability to keep PA alive an interesting, but no sane command would risk their victory so that their rivals might have a more fun round ...
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In all honnesty, Gate, what does the #1 alliance have to do then? I'm quite confident you'd have done nothing either (proven this round). You're already #1, why risk that position by starting needless wars? It was upto the allies in the block to make a move.
Alliances don't play to make the round fun for others. Sure, each alliance has the responsability to keep PA alive an interesting, but no sane command would risk their victory so that their rivals might have a more fun round ...
You're the top alliance, the leader of your block, in the public eye, particularly to a member who has little involvement or interest in the politics at the time, you are seen as the prime evil.

I wasn't saying I was being reasonable, but it was how I felt at the time.
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You're the top alliance, the leader of your block, in the public eye, particularly to a member who has little involvement or interest in the politics at the time, you are seen as the prime evil.

I wasn't saying I was being reasonable, but it was how I felt at the time.

tbh, who cares about round 10.5 ?
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You're the top alliance, the leader of your block, in the public eye, particularly to a member who has little involvement or interest in the politics at the time, you are seen as the prime evil.

I wasn't saying I was being reasonable, but it was how I felt at the time.
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It's Fury by a country mile.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

LDK is the root of all evil.

Compared to them, Fury is the enlightment, the path, and the redemption.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I ve never been a fan of fury (reason being that I ve faught against them too many rounds,and had / have V few friends there) hate however, is a strong word which I will not use against any alliance in an online browser game.

Back in the days I d think LDK were most disliked by the people who were in the top alliances / the people which knew about em and what they were capable of, while the n00bs -hated- Legion / Fury because they were so big and evil and all they did was to bash them

ATM to me it seems like 1up r most disliked in PA community. eXi holding a nice second place.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

What a silly thread.

You hate the alliances that are your main opposition.

You hate the alliances that are successful and #1 when you aren't.

You love the alliances that you're in, and have done well in.

It's completely subjective.
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What a silly thread.

You hate the alliances that are your main opposition.
You hate the alliances that are successful and #1 when you aren't.
I disagree, I've never hated 1up or Exilition. I did however dislike Eclipse and Elysium. Sometimes you dislike your main opposition, but not always. But I agree it's subjective. I'd hate other alliances because of their behavior, their intentions and their values and goals. I'd never hate an alliance because they beat mine ... that'd be pathetic.
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There are no alliances I hate, the worst for me is LDK which is an alliance I simply have no respect for whatsoever.
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As an x RaH the only contender can really be virus.
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I dunno, I always got on with individual LDK members quite well, yeah it used to bug me the way they'd account share, but in the old days everyone did that at one point or another, they just did it almost religiously.

Though I've always tried to be on good talking terms with my opponents, whoever they are
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ehm, how can it possibly be anyone but fury.
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I got some quotes from you regarding LCH. I want to expose them but it might start something bad for you pre-round heh.
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I hated Legion more than Fury back then, mainly because of the tight recruitment and elite standards. eXilition are my personal most hated alliance though.
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they're dead. like that shit cluster alliance they were formed out of..what was that c6r? or something similar? oh wait.. c7s?
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im quite sure NoS had been the alliance more hated for many many rounds of pa , no doubt .
i dont hate any ally speacially although gonna start hating gate for the post he did ,never laugh when one ally disband coz urs can be next.

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LDK :xmas:

Detailed reasons are mostly sadly lost in the mist of time, but what I do remember was some events in round 6, which lead me to become most eager to suddenly hate them "over the usual foe feeling" and reflected it on the cluster LDK galaxy at 23:16. There were always lots of fuss - deserved and undeserved - around LDK also, which I probably dont need to point out

And they were well organized foe
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The only alliances I have ever disliked are NoS and WP ( post-r4 ) for their constant fence-sitting and lack in abillity to co-operate. I respect alliances as long as they do something, or try to do something.
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fair enough but things like the [shish] goading was a tad tasteless.
And as for keeping PA alive, didn't "[shish]" attack valhalla or something ? the most promising new alliance during the round ?
Erm...shish was a JOKE. A group of ppl regging a chan on netgamers to PRETEND to attack som new ally. Only things that was messed with was ppl's minds. Dont think a single fleet was launched.

As for hating allies, i dont hate any. There are allies i've lost respect for, but i dont hate them. There seem to be a growing number of ND members i dont like/lost all respect for tho
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surely concordium.
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I agree with that ^^ But most people seem to have forgotten about that alliance. How ever if i didnt choose that one it would have to be a toss between Fury Or Legion. Fury becuase of the way it was ran, and Legion becuase they did have a rep for noob bashing somtimes.. or bassicaly bashing planets till they were none existant (not my point of view, its what i get from others just to clarify). But being a former Legion myself ill vote for them as i saw them still today as the best alliance that ever lived with there recruitment standards and the way they ran.
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Depends on your start round doesnt it really...

having had 7 bells knocked out of planets by Legion and Concordium.. its a close thing, both were powerfull but noob bashers.. early times tho and many people wont even remeber them.

for most its Fury and Legion.. especially when they joined forces..
but that fear turned into something greater... it turned into the push to join together ( to block) to take the bad guys down.

So basically the thing i hate most is is not a particular alliance .. its Blocking.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

Why is everyone putting alliances down that they hated?

The one alliance I've truely hated has been CELL but I know for the fact they are not remotely close to being the most hated alliance in PA.

This is actually very tricky. Was Fury actually hated that much, or was it more a grudingly given respect?

Wasn't LDK seemingly hated more than Fury in public for much more questionable 'events' (much similiar and inline to the more present eXilition).

I'm going to turn it around to make it fit better.

I believe Fury has been the alliance to get the most public reputation whether it was negative or positive. No other alliance has really matched the level of it.
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From what I can tell, Fury is hated - certainly by many players I know. I don't have a personal feeling, since I spent Rounds 3-7 pretty much devoid of major alliance knowledge. A shame really, but times change.

I'd say that the alliance with the fewest friends was NoS, which culminated in Round 13 (when it lost all of them) and Round 14, when the chickens came home to roost. Finally.


LDK? It was fashionable to hold them in contempt, but I just don't think they reached the iconic level of Fury. You're probably right when you say that Fury has the most public reputation. There haven't been many memberbases as devoted as Fury's either; this is due to having a single leader as opposed to multiple HCs, I suppose.
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I belive it changes from round to round.

When I started playing acticly, back in r3, Legion was the most hated. Then it became Fury or LDK etc etc.
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

I didn't say I hated Fury - I just know it is the most hated alliance. I don't actually hate any alliance particularly nowadays.

The only times alliances should be really disliked are for three reasons:
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- overkill blocking in political play (because it results in terrible rounds of PA)
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Why is everyone putting alliances down that they hated?

The one alliance I've truely hated has been CELL but I know for the fact they are not remotely close to being the most hated alliance in PA.

This is actually very tricky. Was Fury actually hated that much, or was it more a grudingly given respect?

Wasn't LDK seemingly hated more than Fury in public for much more questionable 'events' (much similiar and inline to the more present eXilition).

I'm going to turn it around to make it fit better.

I believe Fury has been the alliance to get the most public reputation whether it was negative or positive. No other alliance has really matched the level of it.
No I'm pretty sure we all hated your guts. Back in round 5 I hated you, Legion and Xanadu, because your behavior was hurting the game.

I'm glad 1up isn't like Fury that way.
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Why is everyone putting alliances down that they hated?
Surely that is a reasonable way to work out which alliances are most hated amongst a particular group of planetarion players? In this case, the AD posters who are generally involved in politics and reasonably well informed, or they get flamed/negrepped to hell.

For example, in this thread, a lot of people have talked about how Fury have been the most hated alliance, though only Jesterina, Tesla and Pennywiser,admit to having personally disliked them. On the other hand, pennywiser, furball, xerxes and myself have all admitted to disliking NoS. Thanks to the situations we've faced (eg. NoS are a much more recent alliance, therefore dislike for them has had longer to grow, and less time to fade), it's possible that amongst current AD poster types, NoS are more disliked than fury; no matter how many people say fury are the most hated alliance.

I guess it depends on which group of planetarion players you're talking about. The less politically aware player (who makes up most of the playerbase in my experience), or someone who is more likely to have an influence on how the politics of an alliance is run. Though these are obviously linked (HCs will spread dislike for an alliance in order to gain support for their own political aims for instance), I would say there are differences.

In all, I would say that the first group is more likely to hate alliances such as Fury and Legion who are seen as dominating the game, or the personal enemies of their alliance (in the past, HR were a nemesis of ND for example), whilst the second group are more likely to find themselves disliking alliances for other reasons. Those involved in powerblocking or other methods which are frowned upon...
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People shouldn't get so focused on the word "hate" ... I mean, the word means nothing, there is no standard for "hate". What I'd value hate, Zhil might call "strong dislike". There is nothing to measure the value of the word "hate" with.

I think the intention of this thread was to name the alliances that you hated, disliked, disrespected, WHATEVER, the most. So stop picking on the word "hate"
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For example, in this thread, a lot of people have talked about how Fury have been the most hated alliance, though only Jesterina, Tesla and Pennywiser,admit to having personally disliked them. On the other hand, pennywiser, furball, xerxes and myself have all admitted to disliking NoS. Thanks to the situations we've faced (eg. NoS are a much more recent alliance, therefore dislike for them has had longer to grow, and less time to fade), it's possible that amongst current AD poster types, NoS are more disliked than fury; no matter how many people say fury are the most hated alliance.
It would be bad for the ego of some pple to not claim Fury is the most hated alliance
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

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Erm...shish was a JOKE. A group of ppl regging a chan on netgamers to PRETEND to attack som new ally. Only things that was messed with was ppl's minds. Dont think a single fleet was launched.

As for hating allies, i dont hate any. There are allies i've lost respect for, but i dont hate them. There seem to be a growing number of ND members i dont like/lost all respect for tho
haha shish was awesome, we were talking about shish kebabs in fang priv channel, then it escalated and alch pretended to reg a chan, then a few more of us got in on the joke. I remember valhalla hc coming to me asking what they had done, i came up with a pretty lame reason and told him to sign up on pa boards and declare war on nos i think. good times:>
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Re: Past & Present: The most HATED alliances of PA

Fury... Tis told me to f*ck off when I applied :'(
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