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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 15:42   #51
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Re: Kingmakers

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on the matter of kingmakers: Im fairly sure ND got there because they napped everyone else and sort of fenced their way
If we had napped everyone, we wouldn't have had to worry about setting up raids and gathering defense


And get lost with all your fence-sitting theories. We've attacked all the other alliances as well, just like we have been attacked by them. So shove it Kjel.
It's not our fault that we're #1atm. At first we tried to do a Deus, ie. keeping the sides balanced (attacking 1up/angels when needed, or exi when needed). Like Haarken said, if we had joined either side, it would have ended in the boredom that r14 was.


Anyway Kjel, you're entitled to your opinion ofcourse.
Just think about this: We are at #1 while doing nothing, you are #2 while trying to do something. Who's clever now?

You're just bitter that we didn't join your side in your fight against eXilition. You and 1up together can hardly handle eXilition on their own.. I'll let you work it out...
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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 15:56   #52
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Re: Kingmakers

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If we had napped everyone, we wouldn't have had to worry about setting up raids and gathering defense


And get lost with all your fence-sitting theories. We've attacked all the other alliances as well, just like we have been attacked by them. So shove it Kjel.
It's not our fault that we're #1atm. At first we tried to do a Deus, ie. keeping the sides balanced (attacking 1up/angels when needed, or exi when needed). Like Haarken said, if we had joined either side, it would have ended in the boredom that r14 was.


Anyway Kjel, you're entitled to your opinion ofcourse.
Just think about this: We are at #1 while doing nothing, you are #2 while trying to do something. Who's clever now?

You're just bitter that we didn't join your side in your fight against eXilition. You and 1up together can hardly handle eXilition on their own.. I'll let you work it out...
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Re: Kingmakers

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I don't really care what options you had or did not had ... The fact remains you're #1 by doing nothing, by fencesitting, because other alliances actually fight to win this round. Because you never got hit, because you had a free walk, because you basicly did nothing that would justify your position or even remotely deserve it.
We don’t deserve to win this round because we didn’t seek to disadvantage ourselves through fighting a war we couldn’t win and because our enemies ignored and underestimated us for a time? Strange logic I must say. I won’t say we deserve to win, we will have to prove that in the coming days, fact is we are number one at the moment and if we manage to pull it off we will feel as though we have deserved to win if you believe it or not.
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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 15:59   #54
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Re: Kingmakers

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I don't really care what options you had or did not had ... The fact remains you're #1 by doing nothing, by fencesitting, because other alliances actually fight to win this round. Because you never got hit, because you had a free walk, because you basicly did nothing that would justify your position or even remotely deserve it.
How is not rushing into a war to give yourself a lesser chance of winning fencesitting? ND didn't NAP any of the allies in the war. What about Angels in R13? NAPed eXi and 1up (so I've been told).
Also, saying that ND haven't been at war is plain wrong, they were fighting Angels for the past week and by the looks of sandmans, are winning, so how dare you say that it is a straight path? or are you just saying that Angels are a rubbish ally and they can easily be brushed out of the way?

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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 16:02   #55
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Re: Kingmakers

Dont be so high on yer horse.

ND has practicly napped exi the whole round.
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Re: Kingmakers

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Dont be so high on yer horse.

ND has practicly napped exi the whole round.
If by practiacaly napped you mean attacking common enemies, (i believe ND were trying to a certain extent try to keep the war balanced) then with the same brush u can paint 1up and angels "practically napped" for attacking eX all round (and having the same night off to attack ND together).

If ND were to have attacked eX, 3v1, eX would have died, 1up/angels grown rather large and killed ND.

I dont believe that 1up/angels have a NAP.
I know ND/eX do not have a NAP.
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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 16:40   #57
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Re: Kingmakers

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Newdawn is doing a swell job, but surely with 3 weeks or so to go, you don't want to come off as bad winners. Bad winners seldom win again*






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I'm not saying we've won. I'm just saying that he should stop whining about the possible positive end-result for ND.

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Re: Kingmakers

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I'm not saying we've won. I'm just saying that he should stop whining about the possible positive end-result for ND.


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You have to understand, people will say things about the top ally no matter what. Ironically this is the least I have seen people complain about the top ally since I have been playing. I don't know its due to lack of regular AD posters, or the fact that ND are leading without any serious suspicion of cheating or egoism.
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Re: Kingmakers

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I know ND/eX do not have a NAP.
Have they cancelled it? Or is it a full blown alliance now?
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Re: Kingmakers

I dont think many people seriously think ND will win. Last round they gave up before 1up even attacked them (and got slaughtered in a single night). I very much doubt they have improved enough to change the outcome of another concentrated attack.

The only way I can see ND pulling it off is by keeping the fight completely even and hopeing Exi/Angels/1up choose to keep fighting each other than repay ND. I personally doubt they would let that happen, but perhaps their dislikes/hostilities towards each other could get in the way.

While I do not personally like NDs recent strategy of using the situation around them to avoid fighting and therefore grow more easily, it is a valid strategy and their own choice. In the end I dont think it ever has a chance at winning. If you want to win you need to earn it, at least partially.
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Re: Kingmakers

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Dont be so high on yer horse.

ND has practicly napped exi the whole round.
And you're practically a retard.

Making NAPs when you're not engaged in a war is cowardice. Avoiding hitting a dangerous potential enemy, when you already have at least one enemy capable of hurting you, is simply prudence. Whilst it would be more entertaining for the trolls if ND were to behave in a suicidal fashion, their HC presumably don't see it that way.

If ND were stagnating the round or engaging in underhand or cowardly tactics, or if they were lying about their behaviour, then I would agree with condemning them. But they're not, and it seems to me that you're complaining merely out of spite.
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Re: Kingmakers

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Have they cancelled it? Or is it a full blown alliance now?
you sounds like such a fkin newb dude. isnt it SAD that both 1up/angels ppl are whining that ND doesnt join their side? or how you say it ND are "fencesitting"

you cry when ND hits you, and you cry when they decide not to interfear at all

maybe you should make up your mind, or just get to the point and do the usual " HELP US ND EVEN WITH 2 VS 1 WE CANT HANDLE THEM "

again, i never understood the 1up hype. what a retard alliance

edit: did 1up and angels cancel the nap? or is it a full blown alliance now?
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you sounds like such a fkin newb dude.
Pure comedy gold.

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you cry when ND hits you, and you cry when they decide not to interfear at all
Being as ND haven't hit us this round in any way which seems to denote "concentration", I somehow doubt the factuality of this statement.

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maybe you should make up your mind, or just get to the point and do the usual " HELP US ND EVEN WITH 2 VS 1 WE CANT HANDLE THEM "
I can see how you're getting on your high horse in that heady position of third. Just preparing for a late charge are you?

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again, i never understood the 1up hype. what a retard alliance
Coming from the Commander in Chief of MENSA,

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edit: did 1up and angels cancel the nap? or is it a full blown alliance now?
We'll answer that when you stop working with VGN and HR.
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Unread 5 Dec 2005, 17:41   #65
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Re: Kingmakers

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I know ND/eX do not have a NAP.
They just keep out of each others way?
When exi attacked the top gal, the ND planets were attacked by Subh... even if the ND planets were roid fat as hell.

Smells like a NAP to me. However, Im not sure it will last for too long.
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you sounds like such a fkin newb dude. isnt it SAD that both 1up/angels ppl are whining that ND doesnt join their side? or how you say it ND are "fencesitting"

you cry when ND hits you, and you cry when they decide not to interfear at all

maybe you should make up your mind, or just get to the point and do the usual " HELP US ND EVEN WITH 2 VS 1 WE CANT HANDLE THEM "

again, i never understood the 1up hype. what a retard alliance

edit: did 1up and angels cancel the nap? or is it a full blown alliance now?
I was going to post a step by step breakdown of why this is such bullshit, but I've seen you posting around the boards and know you'll take no notice, so I'll simply say, provide me with some justification for the things you've said, I see none.

Also, mazz has done a fairly good job.

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This thread is most impressive..

Art of the AD

Oh, and it is funny reading it to...
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This thread is most impressive..

Art of the AD

Oh, and it is funny reading it to...
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=180006

Not as funny as that though :-/
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Just how did i know that would come up

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Thank you for that, that made my day

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I'll simply say, provide me with some justification for the things you've said, I see none.
You might want to do the same thing, with those unfounded accusations of Exilition and ND having some form of friendly arrangement.

I can't stand hypocrisy



The alliance I have the most respect for this round is actually Exilition, for holding out on their own against 2 top alliances (Angels and 1up).
Maybe you guys don't have any kind of "official" agreement (just because it isn't signed sealed slapped with a stamp and passed through lots of red tape doesn't mean it isn't happening though), but the way Ex have held out this long against you is impressive.
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The alliance I have the most respect for this round is actually Exilition, for holding out on their own against 2 top alliances (Angels and 1up).
Maybe you guys don't have any kind of "official" agreement (just because it isn't signed sealed slapped with a stamp and passed through lots of red tape doesn't mean it isn't happening though), but the way Ex have held out this long against you is impressive.

I wouldn't say they've held out

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2  	2Up 1 (Score: +7,551,003)  	eXilition  	76No Change  	57,078  	177,053,359  	2,329,649  	751  	4.45%  	11.26%
3 	3Down 1 (Score: +3,131,909) 	Angels 	80No Change 	44,142 	177,040,460 	2,213,005 	551 	1.80% 	-2.60%
4 	4No Change (Score: +5,884,438) 	1up 	78No Change 	48,430 	151,858,828 	1,946,908 	620 	4.03% 	11.37%
I'd say they're winning (over 1up and angels that is )
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It was not created for any specific reason, and is used for a variety of things, with people's access often being given/removed depending on its use.
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How is not rushing into a war to give yourself a lesser chance of winning fencesitting? ND didn't NAP any of the allies in the war. What about Angels in R13? NAPed eXi and 1up (so I've been told).
Also, saying that ND haven't been at war is plain wrong, they were fighting Angels for the past week and by the looks of sandmans, are winning, so how dare you say that it is a straight path? or are you just saying that Angels are a rubbish ally and they can easily be brushed out of the way?
firstly, r13... after being in our dear hc channel the entire round, afaik we dident hold a nap with 1up,

and about ND beating angels, the fact that exi targets angels might have more to say then nd targeting angels, dont u think?

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firstly, r13... after being in our dear hc channel the entire round, afaik we dident hold a nap with 1up,
Well I knew Angels communications were bad, but I'd have hoped that if you were in the HC channel you'd be kept up to speed with what was going on.

I guess not

Did you hear about them napping someone, then attacking/backstabbing them, failing completely and not landing a ship, so withdrawing and pretending it was all a misunderstanding?

More crappy communications from good old Angels!
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I've read this thread at college and now i've time to reply to it. I can only say it is full of inaccuracies, presumptions and at times, plain arrogance in their own position.

To begin, round 15 is far from won or lost. Exilition in fact have gained score on ND today. ND are radically outperforming at this stage, but it is not certain that they will finish in the position they are currently in. Those presuming an ND victory with 18 days left when people can catch 2-3million score a day and possibly quite a lot more, clearly do not realise how close run this round actually is. Angels can still finish #1. It looks far fetched for 1up, but I never rule anything out as far as they are concerned. If ND want to win they'll have to work for it, as I doubt the opposition will roll over.

ND's diplomatic policy is simple. We review the situation on a daily basis and act accordingly. Up until we got to 1st position we actually had no NAPs with the rest of the top 4 (and as I believe don't at this point in time, either). ND has moved on from being a support alliance and yet again this round, we have progressed. People have not welcomed our independent diplomatic policy since round 14 but we could not continue with the "boom-bust" cycle of following one alliance. When in that situation, we were also under heavy criticism. But there had to be a change. ND's attitude of being willing to talk to anyone is, I believe, a positive thing for planetarion. However, that hasn't stopped other alliances or their members attitudes towards us being plain derogatory at times, presumably because they don't think we deserve our ranking. I think they are being unfair - but I understand their position. We are not in a position to let other people's views affect our progress.

All we've used is basic logic and common sense. If people have a problem with that, they're welcome to call it fencesitting. I see fencesitting as Rob does, anyone else is welcome to think otherwise. The only people we need to justify our decisions this round to is our members.

This round is not over. ND is in an unbelievable position. It may hold it. It may not hold it. There's still a lot of distance to go.
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and about ND beating angels, the fact that exi targets angels might have more to say then nd targeting angels, dont u think?
Angels targeted eX before eX *ever* targeted Angels.

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Did you hear about them napping someone, then attacking/backstabbing them, failing completely and not landing a ship, so withdrawing and pretending it was all a misunderstanding?
I have not heard of this one, please elaborate.
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I am sad that Kjel has stopped posting in this thread :/

I am not surprised how even his own alliance thinks he is a joke tho :/
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I am sad that Kjel has stopped posting in this thread :/

I am not surprised how even his own alliance thinks he is a joke tho :/
I assume that he reads this thread though
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It's difficult to know who's who when they're all attacking or defending together. It's also difficult to understand why we should care about the specifics of who it is when they are blatently hostile.

we dont target specific alliances we hit galaxys
we have never attacked or defended with exil (ingal def doesnt count)
the planet in question is marked in your arby as exil so go figure is bad intel a reason ur struggleing in 4th
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we have never attacked or defended with exil (ingal def doesnt count)
the planet in question is marked in your arby as exil so go figure is bad intel a reason ur struggleing in 4th
Are you seriously suggesting that all our intel is "bad" because we got one coord wrong? Do you have absolutely nothing better to do with your day? I'm actually having difficulty comprehending quite how feeble this attempted dig at us is.
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Are you seriously suggesting that all our intel is "bad" because we got one coord wrong? Do you have absolutely nothing better to do with your day? I'm actually having difficulty comprehending quite how feeble this attempted dig at us is.
Heh agreed tbh, no-one has a 100% accurate arbi and its silly to think otherwise.
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Well I knew Angels communications were bad, but I'd have hoped that if you were in the HC channel you'd be kept up to speed with what was going on.

I guess not

Did you hear about them napping someone, then attacking/backstabbing them, failing completely and not landing a ship, so withdrawing and pretending it was all a misunderstanding?

More crappy communications from good old Angels!
With all due respect tomkat, what the ****ing hell do you know about anything other than what you've heard second hand? As far as I remember you haven't actually played a serious round of PA since (and correct me if I'm wrong) round 9(ish)? Yet I see you all over AD throwing your proverbial weight around when talking about subjects pertaining to rounds you either weren't playing in or were too busy tossing it off like a fake Minty.

How you about you start chastising others when you actually have first hand knowledge of what went on rather than basing half arsed opinions on hearsay and conjecture?
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With all due respect tomkat, what the ****ing hell do you know about anything other than what you've heard second hand? As far as I remember you haven't actually played a serious round of PA since (and correct me if I'm wrong) round 9(ish)? Yet I see you all over AD throwing your proverbial weight around when talking about subjects pertaining to rounds you either weren't playing in or were too busy tossing it off like a fake Minty.

How you about you start chastising others when you actually have first hand knowledge of what went on rather than basing half arsed opinions on hearsay and conjecture?
He's talking about events that have happened this round (which he is palying in)
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With all due respect tomkat, what the ****ing hell do you know about anything other than what you've heard second hand? As far as I remember you haven't actually played a serious round of PA since (and correct me if I'm wrong) round 9(ish)? Yet I see you all over AD throwing your proverbial weight around when talking about subjects pertaining to rounds you either weren't playing in or were too busy tossing it off like a fake Minty.

How you about you start chastising others when you actually have first hand knowledge of what went on rather than basing half arsed opinions on hearsay and conjecture?
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I will tell something that might contradict kjeldoran (he has his own personal opinion and so do I).
If ND ended #1, its not because they fencesat only, its because other alliance let them and didnt think they were a treath, which is why the same alliance who though this way now have to either finally accept the fact ND will win a round or either try to take out ND of the #1 place.

For all the people crying and whining about ND fencesitting or not stepping up into a war during the round, i would like to remind you that many alliances did this and never ended #1 (that include WP, NoS and also my very own alliance).

Its all up to the alliances outside, if they let ND end up #1 or not. if they end up, i will be the first to congratulate them for playing this round nicely politically-wise, and i will be the first to slap the alliances for letting them win.

The question isnt if ND deserve to win or not but its the alliances who didnt take on ND earlier who deserve to lose for their late reaction this round.

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Yet I see you all over AD throwing your proverbial weight around when talking about subjects pertaining to rounds you either weren't playing in
Without sounding too pedantic, where have I spoken about rounds that I haven't played in, or might as well not have played in?

I've been discussing the round in hand.

And I am playing the round in hand.

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How you about you start chastising others when you actually have first hand knowledge of what went on rather than basing half arsed opinions on hearsay and conjecture?
Is that another way of telling me that what I said was wrong?

Or are you just saying "don't talk about things unless you were right there in the thick of things involving yourself and if you weren't right there then you obviously can't comment on it because someone telling you about it must clearly be lying!".

Right.

I see.




Anyway mazz - I like you, let's not make this personal. The thread will just descend into a crappy flamewar if it does, and get closed. We're both above that.
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"descend into a crappy flamewar"

the mod almost lol'd at that.

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One thing about what alch said, and what I wanted to write up when I got home is that judging from alot of the beginning of the round posts, no one took ND seriously. ND in turn played themselves down niceley and are now in a commanding position. Bravo to them.
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Are you seriously suggesting that all our intel is "bad" because we got one coord wrong? Do you have absolutely nothing better to do with your day? I'm actually having difficulty comprehending quite how feeble this attempted dig at us is.

i wasnt having a dig at 1 up i just think its funny that an alliance that was imo the 1 to which other alliance should look up to with regards to how to play the game has gotten it so badly wrong this rd and this was just an example of how that has happened
i know no alliance has a perfect arby
but i also know that the planet in question has not been overly hostile to 1up

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Well I knew Angels communications were bad, but I'd have hoped that if you were in the HC channel you'd be kept up to speed with what was going on.

I guess not

Did you hear about them napping someone, then attacking/backstabbing them, failing completely and not landing a ship, so withdrawing and pretending it was all a misunderstanding?

More crappy communications from good old Angels!
Look at the post you quoted from Fyodor - it specifically mentions a NAP between 1up and Angels for r13 not taking place. You responded with the above.

Oh look TomKat. That's you referring to r13 and attempting to say Angels are wrong on this. I'll explain this away as bad memory or communication on your part. (See my pun?)

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I will tell something that might contradict kjeldoran (he has his own personal opinion and so do I).
If ND ended #1, its not because they fencesat only, its because other alliance let them and didnt think they were a treath, which is why the same alliance who though this way now have to either finally accept the fact ND will win a round or either try to take out ND of the #1 place.

For all the people crying and whining about ND fencesitting or not stepping up into a war during the round, i would like to remind you that many alliances did this and never ended #1 (that include WP, NoS and also my very own alliance).

Its all up to the alliances outside, if they let ND end up #1 or not. if they end up, i will be the first to congratulate them for playing this round nicely politically-wise, and i will be the first to slap the alliances for letting them win.

The question isnt if ND deserve to win or not but its the alliances who didnt take on ND earlier who deserve to lose for their late reaction this round.

Good luck ND.



Well spoken!

Finally someone with an honest insight comes around and gives a sane view on things.

Regardless how ND ends up when tic stops they made an impact to the round, even tho they were judged before round as an alliances that couldn’t perform like the other “top” allies!? Dooh…

They obviously succeeded with their politics agenda and now 3 weeks before end they still have a shot at the top spot.

Well played and good luck!




Btw, how on earth could you “allow” a guy like Kj to post in here, hes the one who makes Angels look bad you know?
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i wasnt having a dig at 1 up i just think its funny that an alliance that was imo the 1 to which other alliance should look up to with regards to how to play the game has gotten it so badly wrong this rd and this was just an example of how that has happened
i know no alliance has a perfect arby
but i also know that the planet in question has not been overly hostile to 1up

Ps dont forget to negrep me for sayin bad things bout 1 up

Sorry, how did we get this round badly wrong? How does one coordinate being hostile, attacking with eXilition but actually being ROCK, prove itself as anything more than a niggle ?
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Look at the post you quoted from Fyodor - it specifically mentions a NAP between 1up and Angels for r13 not taking place. You responded with the above.

Oh look TomKat. That's you referring to r13 and attempting to say Angels are wrong on this. I'll explain this away as bad memory or communication on your part. (See my pun?)

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I'm pretty sure Angels communications skills are just as amazing as they were in round 13. So I was talking about this round.

My post was simply making a little jab at his "as far as i knew" comment. Surely if he was in the HC channel he knew what was going on - there wasn't any uncertainty? That's what I'd expect from a well-run, well-organised, well-communicated alliance.

The nap I mentioned was in this round, my dear Zhil. I didn't mention 1up once.

You know Zhil, you're starting to take comments involving 1up personally. If you're not careful, you'll turn into Kjeldoran
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Sorry, how did we get this round badly wrong? How does one coordinate being hostile, attacking with eXilition but actually being ROCK, prove itself as anything more than a niggle ?
he doesnt attack with exiltion he attacks with rock cus he is a rock member not an exiltion 1

furthermore my opinion is that your alliance came into the rd ill prepared for the rd and when you compare how well your alliance has done in previous rds since it was created it looks from the outside loking in that this rd you got it badly wrong
however insayng that it could just be that the other alliances got it right

if you wanna nitpick feel free but please remember opinions are like arseholes everybody has one
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Re: Kingmakers

The Tomkat discussion is over.

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Since I m not allowed to say that either Angels or ND are capable of winning a round, I ll just wish all parties good luck.
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I will attack ALL OF YOU.

then we'll see whose bum is sore from sitting on the fence.

if your Barrow's target, he'll just launch a defense fleet at you... that'll fix your wagon :P
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