At Least We've Managed To Hand Over Power Without Damaging Iraqi Culture

[acropolis]

When I first heard allawi talk i immediately hated him.

But this makes me think maybe i misjudged him.

[Event_Horizon]

Regardless of whether his actions could be considered 'right' or moral, I think someone needs a toughness like that to be able to handle the position that he has.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Ends justifying the means and all that.

[vampire_lestat]

lol, I can just imagine bush doing that.

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

lol, I can just imagine bush doing that.

Why'd you need to imagine it?

[Apothos]

It'll be even funnier in ten years when he invades Kuwait.

[Event_Horizon]

Originally Posted by Apothos

It'll be even funnier in ten years when he invades Kuwait.

And the world goes round and round....

[vampire_lestat]

Originally Posted by Apothos

It'll be even funnier in ten years when he invades Kuwait.

he won't be in power in 10 years will he? it'll be his tard son or something probably.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

he won't be in power in 10 years will he? it'll be his tard son or something probably.

i wouldnt be surprised if bush fiddles with the election system, allowing him to serve an unlimited term as emperor

[Zar]

Originally Posted by acropolis

When I first heard allawi talk i immediately hated him.

But this makes me think maybe i misjudged him.

puppet

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Zar

i wouldnt be surprised if bush fiddles with the election system, allowing him to serve an unlimited term as emperor

You have a very vivid imagination then. The concept of George Bush serving more than two terms through fiddling with the election system strikes me as quite ridiculous frankly. More on topic if Allawi killed those men after a fair trial I would have nothing against him, politicians with a more intimate knowledge of the death penalty are probably going to be better able to make decisions concerning it's use. If he just shot them with no prior trial having a murderer as your prime minister isn't exactly going to boost tourism.

[Flayer]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

You have a very vivid imagination then. The concept of George Bush serving more than two terms through fiddling with the election system strikes me as quite ridiculous frankly.

I think he's talking about Allawi as emperor

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Flayer

I think he's talking about Allawi as emperor

My mistake then. That's significantly less ridiculous (although a life-term in a supposedly democratic country would still be rather unlikely in my opinion).

[Kurashima]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

If he just shot them with no prior trial having a murderer as your prime minister isn't exactly going to boost tourism.

Damn. And id just cancelled my 2 weeks in Benidorm so i could visit Falluja.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

My mistake then. That's significantly less ridiculous (although a life-term in a supposedly democratic country would still be rather unlikely in my opinion).

Only the GWB interpretation makes any sense, because there isn't anything to CHANGE if we're going with the Iraq interpretation.

[JonnyBGood]

Maybe zar misinterpreted what vampire lestat said about invading Kuwait?

[Flayer]

Too much misinterpretations! Let's start all over again!

[vampire_lestat]

i think it's fair to say i was right (in whatever i said).

[Zar]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

You have a very vivid imagination then. The concept of George Bush serving more than two terms through fiddling with the election system strikes me as quite ridiculous frankly. More on topic if Allawi killed those men after a fair trial I would have nothing against him, politicians with a more intimate knowledge of the death penalty are probably going to be better able to make decisions concerning it's use. If he just shot them with no prior trial having a murderer as your prime minister isn't exactly going to boost tourism.

it was a tongue and cheek statement jonny (and i was talking about gwb) stop taking everything i say so seriously - i do have some sense of humour locked up in my conspiracy world you know! (for the record i do not sincerely believe that bush would install himself as emperor)

i dont believe being a politician you have a more intimate knowledge of the death penalty. I dont think anyone on this planet as a more intimate knowledge than anybody else, considering no one has ever been dead and continued living (im not counting near death experiences, or resuscitation - just assume dead people dont come back alive). Then again im completely against the death penalty, so we're arguing on the merits of capital punishment more than anything else here

[Sandsnake]

I'm just interested in whether there's any truth to the report or not. I mean, there is no supporting evidence, just vague statements like "7 prisoners" and "witnesses". No author of the report, no names of the executed, and the deeply suspicious "Seven prisoners were brought out. Six were shot in the head and died. One was wounded, the report said." One was WOUNDED? why didn't they finish the ****ing job?

I'm not saying it didn't happen, it just seems rather odd that a politician went to all the trouble of personally executing 6 men, failed to actually kill another, and then kept it quiet. If he had done it, I would expect it to be a show of strength, but the lack of media attention aside from an NBC report seems out of place. Otherwise, I'd expect it would have been more prudent to have the men killed while remaining at a "safe distance" from the entire affair.

[Deffeh]

And it'll be Jeb vs Kuwait btw.

[acropolis]

Originally Posted by Sandsnake

I'm just interested in whether there's any truth to the report or not. I mean, there is no supporting evidence,

"The two witnesses were independently and separately found by the Herald. Neither approached the newspaper. They were interviewed on different days in a private home in Baghdad, without being told the other had spoken. A condition of the co-operation of each man was that no personal information would be published.

Both interviews lasted more than 90 minutes and were conducted through an interpreter, with another journalist present for one of the meetings. The witnesses were not paid for the interviews."

just vague statements like "7 prisoners" and "witnesses". No author of the report,

Paul McGeough of the Sydney Morning Herald

no names of the executed,

"The Herald has established the names of three of the prisoners alleged to have been killed. Two names connote ties to Syrian-based Arab tribes, suggesting they were foreign fighters: Ahmed Abdulah Ahsamey and Amer Lutfi Mohammed Ahmed al-Kutsia.

The third was Walid Mehdi Ahmed al-Samarrai. The last word of his name indicates that he was one of the two said to come from Samarra, which is in the Sunni Triangle.

The three names were provided to the Interior Ministry, where senior adviser Sabah Khadum undertook to provide a status report on each. He was asked if they were prisoners, were they alive or had they died in custody.

But the next day he cut short an interview by hanging up the phone, saying only: "I have no information - I don't want to comment on that specific matter.""

and the deeply suspicious "Seven prisoners were brought out. Six were shot in the head and died. One was wounded, the report said." One was WOUNDED? why didn't they finish the ****ing job?

he ran out of bullets? seems the silliest question possible. anyway,

"The witnesses said seven prisoners had been brought out to the courtyard, but the last man in the line was only wounded - in the neck, said one witness; in the chest, said the other."

I'm not saying it didn't happen, it just seems rather odd that a politician went to all the trouble of personally executing 6 men, failed to actually kill another, and then kept it quiet. If he had done it, I would expect it to be a show of strength, but the lack of media attention aside from an NBC report seems out of place. Otherwise, I'd expect it would have been more prudent to have the men killed while remaining at a "safe distance" from the entire affair.

"Before the shootings, the 58-year-old Prime Minister is said to have told the policemen they must have courage in their work and that he would shield them from any repercussions if they killed insurgents in the course of their duty.

The witnesses said the Iraqi police observers were "shocked and surprised". But asked what message they might take from such an act, one said: "Any terrorists in Iraq should have the same destiny. This is the new Iraq.

"Allawi wanted to send a message to his policemen and soldiers not to be scared if they kill anyone - especially, they are not to worry about tribal revenge. He said there would be an order from him and the Interior Ministry that all would be fully protected.

"He told them: 'We must destroy anyone who wants to destroy Iraq and kill our people.'

"At first they were surprised. I was scared - but now the police seem to be very happy about this. There was no anger at all, because so many policemen have been killed by these criminals.""

k?