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31 Mar 2004, 13:30
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Fightin-irish for life
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What happens if?
this thought crossed my mind last night
if a zik attacks an xan with scythes and scims and his scythes subvert the sirtalis at init 1
what happens if the xan has narsiscus that fire at init 3 and kill some of the sycthes are the ships they subverted now allowed to attack the zik as their init is also 3
its been puzzleing me all morning as to what happens
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31 Mar 2004, 14:25
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Re: What happens if?
Je Ne Sais Pas
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31 Mar 2004, 15:26
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Re: What happens if?
once a ship is subverted it stays subverted even if u kill the ship that subverted it. Nothing can shoot a ship wants its subverted. So the subverted ships will stay on the ziks side and fire on the xan
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31 Mar 2004, 15:36
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Jolt's best friend
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Re: What happens if?
what happens if you subvert ships that can themselves subvert things?
that's gotta be a giggle
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31 Mar 2004, 15:51
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Klaatu barada nikto
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Re: What happens if?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mist
what happens if you subvert ships that can themselves subvert things?
that's gotta be a giggle
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31 Mar 2004, 16:02
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Re: What happens if?
if u subert suberters they are effectivly frozen i.e. emped
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31 Mar 2004, 18:06
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Fightin-irish for life
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Re: What happens if?
Quote:
Originally Posted by KalVirtus
once a ship is subverted it stays subverted even if u kill the ship that subverted it. Nothing can shoot a ship wants its subverted. So the subverted ships will stay on the ziks side and fire on the xan
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nice to know cheers m8
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1 Apr 2004, 21:03
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ostensibly Obscure oddity
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Re: What happens if?
So is the double salvage bug back? If your ships get subverted, and then you destroy them, do you gain the defender salvage, and the 10% salvage from the destroyed attacker's ships (which are technically still yours)?
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1 Apr 2004, 21:13
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Re: What happens if?
You can't destroy ships that have been subverted. They are indestructable.
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1 Apr 2004, 21:17
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Re: What happens if?
Sure they are...and my battle report is just a figment of my imagination...
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1 Apr 2004, 21:29
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Re: What happens if?
show me this famous battle report then
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2 Apr 2004, 03:02
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Re: What happens if?
After going back over the report, you and Gerbie are right. I think the original thought that crossed my mind was the sheer number of my remaining FI that were killed by my FI that had been "borrowed". (I honestly didn't take into account how it would be if I fought myself). I went back over and carefully calculated each possibility. BTW, no matter how I broke it down, the battle calc provided by s|k was always dead on.
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2 Apr 2004, 08:25
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Re: What happens if?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerbie
You can't destroy ships that have been subverted. They are indestructable.
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Except ofc by the opposing ships....
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2 Apr 2004, 18:16
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Fightin-irish for life
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Re: What happens if?
heres another question
xan attacks u and u subvert his fighters at init 1 with ur scythe then his Bs fires at init 3 does he kill his subverted fighters or just urs
because if i remember correctly spinner said that when u subvert ships they fight on ur side for the combat tick and if thats the case then the xan fighters will be killed by the xan Bs when it fires
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2 Apr 2004, 18:58
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Re: What happens if?
It fires on both your and the converted fighters, at equal ratio's.
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21 Apr 2004, 22:53
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Re: What happens if?
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22 Apr 2004, 00:00
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a simple pe0n
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Re: What happens if?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerbie
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HEY... Thats my planet
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16 May 2004, 16:31
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Re: What happens if?
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Martok
It fires on both your and the converted fighters, at equal ratio's.
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wrong, subverted ships are indestructible as said by kal ^
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incoming 10k xan fighters + 1k nasicus
defence 10k scythes + 1k nasicus
outcome : defence loses 10k scythes, attackers doesn't loose a bit cause his nas don't get shot at and his fighters are subbed.
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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16 May 2004, 22:33
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Re: What happens if?
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Originally Posted by derry
wrong, subverted ships are indestructible as said by kal ^
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incoming 10k xan fighters + 1k nasicus
defence 10k scythes + 1k nasicus
outcome : defence loses 10k scythes, attackers doesn't loose a bit cause his nas don't get shot at and his fighters are subbed.
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Yeah like we didn't found that out ages ago Seen how old this bloody thread is?
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16 May 2004, 23:11
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Re: What happens if?
yeh i know, but any1 who reads it sees it wrong, just wanted it corrected
[edited for reasons know by a few ]
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[18:45] <Helix> if two wrongs dont make a right its twice as wrong to do something wrong to right it
[00:22] <Doom> Where as in most cases it appears multing is an individual thing, LDK organises it and uses it. Making it an effective unit with a small number of players. It makes sense just not part of the rules. They just organised cheating =-)
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17 May 2004, 07:56
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Re: What happens if?
There were newer threads correcting this though.. But agreed and edited away....
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