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Unread 5 Oct 2005, 06:20   #1
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If God was real...would you love and obey?

Let's just assume that everything in the Bible is indeed true. Yes Jonah was in a whale for three days and came out alive, Joshua stopped the Sun (because indeed the Sun revolves around the Earth), everything was made in 6 or 7 days or whatever, Jesus turned water to wine, and all that other nonsense was true.

Overcoming this disbelief I'm faced with a choice. Knowing that God is real means knowing that judgement day is real too. The choice has two possible consequences: be with God after death in Heaven or suffer for eternity in Hell. What is the choice? To love and obey God, or not (accept Jesus as your savior etc).

With this decision thrust before me I would chose to suffer eternally. Why? Because **** Him. Where do you get off creating people just to make them suffer? This being does not share my ethics. If I created humans or any life, I certainly wouldn't create any death or sickness to spoil it for them. I certainly wouldn't do it just because I made some stupid rule about a some fruit and then they broke it, and especially if I knew before I made the rule that they would break it and so then so create my own justification for creating horrible and eternal suffering for my own creation. What a bunch unintellectual bullshit.

Anyhow, assuming it was true, **** Him. I don't care what He demands. He can demand all He wants. **** his punishment. I'm not frightened. I'm probably going to die from a painful case of cancer of some sort anyways because of his 'love,' I certainly don't want anymore of that.

I'm not going to love someone, or obey someone perennially, because she or he put a gun to my head.

I care about people I trust, that I share the same values with, that have compatible personality with, that I can depend on, that are visibly there for me without any equivocation in times of duress. Not distant abstractions nor famous celebrities.

Outside of employment, I obey people who are the responsible authority, people I respect and admire, and others in various situations. I don't perpetually obey anyone blindly, ever, and I don't intend to change that for any reason.

I have yet to see someone provide me, beyond evidence for God's existence, a worthwhile argument why I should care one bit for that ultimate asshole of assholes.

On judgement day I'll face him, and just before the Angel of Death throws me into that burning fire I'll tell him:

**** you, you ****ing cock sucking bitch. You should throw yourself in that fire. You created disease, you created war, you created death, motherless children, poverty, destitute, desperation, starvation, pests and all suffering. It is you who is responsible for any tear, shriek, cry, or howl that was ever produced. It is you who is responsible for heartbreak, lies, theft, and bullet ridden bodies. Where were you, almighty god when little boys and girls were buried by their parents? Where you when any cries of mercy were not heard by those facing brutality and viciousness? It is you who is guilty! How dare you judge anyone, how dare you make anyone suffer, how dare you, you who has nothing to fear, judge mortal beings. Any mortal being is a greater thing than any heavenly creature.

Or something along those lines.
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Unread 5 Oct 2005, 06:33   #2
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

I'd ask him why he invented brussel sprouts.

He is supposed to be the good guy.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

Blind obedience is for slaves, not men. So no I wouldn't love or obey him.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

Jesus has already died for our sins.
That means we can do anything mwuhahaha.

Anyway, if the whole bible were true we're ALL going to hell as there is no way of not sinning because of all the stupid loopholes.
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**** you, you ****ing cock sucking bitch. You should throw yourself in that fire. You created disease, you created war, you created death, motherless children, poverty, destitute, desperation, starvation, pests and all suffering. It is you who is responsible for any tear, shriek, cry, or howl that was ever produced. It is you who is responsible for heartbreak, lies, theft, and bullet ridden bodies. Where were you, almighty god when little boys and girls were buried by their parents? Where you when any cries of mercy were not heard by those facing brutality and viciousness? It is you who is guilty! How dare you judge anyone, how dare you make anyone suffer, how dare you, you who has nothing to fear, judge mortal beings. Any mortal being is a greater thing than any heavenly creature.

Or something along those lines.
but that is just it you see, none of this is God's fault, it's all the result of THE FALL(tm) which occured because some silly tart and her gimboid husband ate listened to a talking snake and ate some fruit. See if Eve hadn't eaten the apple, then none of this would have happened, Tyrannosaurus would still be eating grass, lions would be chewing on cucumbers and keeping sheep warm, mosquitoes would be drinking blood from flowers that produced it specially for them, snakes bites would contain "fruit softening substances" instead of lethal neurotoxins* and so on.

*I am not making this shit up myself, this is honestly what other people actually genuinely think. people with doctorates from actual universities too.
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but that is just it you see, none of this is God's fault,
Bullshit. H e didn't have to punish anyone. He could have just sai'd '**** it.'
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

If you find God's actions morally repugnant, then it doesnt make sense to say you could 'choose' to love him. Let's say that you decided you wanted to. How would you now actually go about doing this? Repeatedly chant "I love God" untill you did?

If you could switch love on and off as easily as that, it would probably make relationships a lot easier.
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*I am not making this shit up myself, this is honestly what other people actually genuinely think. people with doctorates from actual universities too.
This is unfair, ideas like this arent accepted by all Christians and are an active topic of debate!

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Before the Fall, what was the function of the cheetah's blinding speed?[6] What did the bombardier beetle use its highly complex twin cannons for (useful now to blast attackers)? If we could think of a purpose, it would still leave open the question of how and when the programmed instincts to fire at beetle-eaters arose.

The idea that the snake's fangs may have been used to inject a fruit-softening substance pre-Fall has the same problem. That is, why, how and when (if not by direct creation) did snakes change not only their diet but their behavior, which appears to be programmed in their genetic code and not a matter of conscious choice?[7]

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[6] Perhaps it was created to reveal God's glory by running fast (just as an eagle soars at high altitude or a dolphin rides waves, apparently for "recreation"). Also, many of God's designs have inspired human inventions -- e.g., the iris diaphragm in cameras and Velcro®. This could be part of the providence of God.

[7] Based on the premise that the pre-flood world had no desert or cold environments, some have queried the design features in many of these animals that are only useful in such conditions -- e.g., the anti-dehydration equipment of a camel, or the special insulating features of a polar bear's fur. However, the Bible nowhere says that there were no deserts or cold areas before the flood. In any case, such adaptive design features could have been present in the genes of more generalized created kinds of these creatures. For example, polar bears, which have special adaptations for the cold and are almost exclusively carnivorous, hybridize with brown bears, which do not have special cold adaptation and are mainly vegetarian (75 percent), suggesting that both derived from an original created bear kind.
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I'd give him a public jocking.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

what's all this 'if' nonsense ?
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Hosanna!

(What the **** does that mean, anyway? I always thought it sounded a bit like the name of a foreign prostitute.)
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s|k needs help.

he needs help from that most helpful of pamphlets "Selling your soul in a buyers market."
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You need help. Help to drink all that booze you have and smoke those cigars. (I know you have them don't lie to me.)
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what's all this 'if' nonsense ?
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The Pope believes in them, and that's good enough for me. He wears a white dress so he's bound to be rite.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

If God were real, assuming the omnipotent version, I don't see how anyone would have a choice about whether they loved him or not.
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but that is just it you see, none of this is God's fault, it's all the result of THE FALL(tm) which occured because some silly tart and her gimboid husband ate listened to a talking snake and ate some fruit. See if Eve hadn't eaten the apple, then none of this would have happened, Tyrannosaurus would still be eating grass, lions would be chewing on cucumbers and keeping sheep warm, mosquitoes would be drinking blood from flowers that produced it specially for them, snakes bites would contain "fruit softening substances" instead of lethal neurotoxins* and so on.
even the catholic church considers adam and eve as allegorical/figurative.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

The catholic church is nothing if not a bastion of progress in the midst of unenlightened savagery.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

Yeah but they put her to death afterwards which sort of balances things out thankfully.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

If the Christian God were real, how could you comprehend his action or reason anyway? I'd repent my 'sins' and hope for the best, but then I don't feel bad about my life.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

I think s|k's oppinion is the same opinion of those who used to say "if a guy pointed a gun to my head i wouldnt be intimidated". This heve to heppen so you actually see how would you act. I think is quite difficult to say "no" to some eternal/boring life where heaven is if you are sure about how would be the conditions you would met goin down bellow
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

When you say the 'Bible' is accurate, I assume that means both the old and new testaments.

Thats a problem, because in the old testament, God is an evil, vindictive, petty, mass-murdering SOB.
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When you say the 'Bible' is accurate, I assume that means both the old and new testaments.

Thats a problem, because in the old testament, God is an evil, vindictive, petty, mass-murdering SOB.
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When you say the 'Bible' is accurate, I assume that means both the old and new testaments.

Thats a problem, because in the old testament, God is an evil, vindictive, petty, mass-murdering SOB.
thats one of the first things i ever say to Xians who are annoying me with their beliefs, i often wonder why i hear so little about it, its clearly a completely different god in different testaments.
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

Taking s|k's premise literally.

God is real.

I know this to be a fact.

s|k rejects god anyway.

s|k is going to hell not to heaven.

s|k not being there would MAKE it heaven.

Who wouldn't love and obey a being who could make that happen?
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Taking s|k's premise literally.

God is real.

I know this to be a fact.

s|k rejects god anyway.

s|k is going to hell not to heaven.

s|k not being there would MAKE it heaven.

Who wouldn't love and obey a being who could make that happen?
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

I more or less agree with everything else said in this thread. Way to stick it to the man (and I mean the man).

Although if I gotta believe in a god do I get to choose which one? Cause Flying Spagetti Monstrum gets my vote, he's god I could love (or love to eat, I always mix the two).
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4317498.stm

That man obeyed god.

BE VERY AFRAID !
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Re: If God was real...would you love and obey?

Oh, God...

1) WHAT/IF things should be used in programming alone and even there limited as much as possible
2) goto 1
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