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Rabba's return
can somebody in charge plz plz explain just how in the name of all the seven hells did Rabba get his planet back after being closed for ship farming?
for christ sakes he even admitted to doing it as well
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Game rules - an ammendment to the user agreement covered by paragraph 3 in the user agreement.
Offenses:
1. Account sharing
2. Owning multiple accounts
3. Farming (Both Ship and Asteroid Farming)
4. Profanities
Description of offenses:
1. Sharing the login information of an account between multiple users with the result of multiple users logging into one account. This includes:
Babysitting – the temporary occupancy of an account by anyone else then the original registrant itself.
Switching – the permanent taking over an account by another user from the original registrant.
2. Registering and activating multiple accounts by one user.
3. As farming is a difficult concept to define, the final decision in any matter will always be at the discretion of the Planetarion HQ. However to give you an idea of what can be interpreted as farming note the following guide definition:
Any attack launched with consent of the attacked planet’s user with the agreed goal of giving the attacking planet asteroids or ships, without suffering what is deemed as normal fleet losses in the process..
Now just how in hell does he manage this, its like the Creators are saying, [b]go out and cheat, multi, farm. All we shall do is close you for a few days and then let you get back to your cheating again, its not going to bother you much cuz we aint takin ya ships or roids away so you lose nothing[/b
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6 Apr 2003, 21:34
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heh farming 100 demters aint farming it seems
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6 Apr 2003, 21:35
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6 Apr 2003, 21:36
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He's open now, and that is that.
But however, if he is closed again due to another 'public outcry', then the whole process is a joke.
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6 Apr 2003, 21:37
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Re: Rabba's return
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Originally posted by Borg_31373
can somebody in charge plz plz explain just how in the name of all the seven hells did Rabba get his planet back after being closed for ship farming?[/b
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Wasn't there 9 hells according to dante's inferno? :eek:
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6 Apr 2003, 21:45
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Re: Re: Rabba's return
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Originally posted by -CP-
Wasn't there 9 hells according to dante's inferno? :eek:
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6 Apr 2003, 22:13
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
He's open now, and that is that.
But however, if he is closed again due to another 'public outcry', then the whole process is a joke.
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The process became a joke the minute he was reopened, get a clue.
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6 Apr 2003, 22:41
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cochese
The process became a joke the minute he was reopened, get a clue.
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6 Apr 2003, 23:11
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cochese
The process became a joke the minute he was reopened, get a clue.
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6 Apr 2003, 23:18
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cochese
The process became a joke the minute he was reopened, get a clue.
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The process has always been a joke--this was just our semi-annual reminder. 
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6 Apr 2003, 23:22
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Quote:
Originally posted by DragonLord
heh farming 100 demters aint farming it seems
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lol ! Since i am a cathaar and can't farm 100 demeters can i farm 100 roids instead ? seems fair to me
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7 Apr 2003, 14:34
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doing something...useful?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tactitus
The process has always been a joke--this was just our semi-annual reminder.
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ROFL! Exactly!
It's part of the continuous PA soap, haven't you guessed it already?
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7 Apr 2003, 14:35
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doing something...useful?
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Originally posted by Le Mauvais Moine
lol ! Since i am a cathaar and can't farm 100 demeters can i farm 100 roids instead ? seems fair to me
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You should get yourself a 2nd account as Zik. Cat and Zik work perfectly together.
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7 Apr 2003, 15:07
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Just curious but didnt he resign from Pack, which means he knows he broke the rules and accepted his punishment?
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7 Apr 2003, 15:38
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Originally posted by Morden
Just curious but didnt he resign from Pack, which means he knows he broke the rules and accepted his punishment?
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rumours rumours...
I have never read an announcement about his resignation.
He hasn't said anything about that either. I've known him for 18 years, he would've told me.
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7 Apr 2003, 15:46
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Glad to see some things never change. I don't think a round passes without twats like that, and subsequent closing.
Still, I think PA here and there takes too soft a stand against it. The thing that still stings me is that some accounts get reopened after a clear admission of guilt and good proof.
Some guys seem to get off very light, just with a good stern talking-too.
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7 Apr 2003, 16:05
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hooray! yet again certain members of PA Crew show great skill in the art of fu*king up \o/
Either change the User Agreement or punish those who break it, it doesnt matter wether he farmed 100 demeters or 1000.
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7 Apr 2003, 16:45
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Raaaaaaaah!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
He's open now, and that is that.
But however, if he is closed again due to another 'public outcry', then the whole process is a joke.
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The whole process is already a joke.
The creators now have no ground to delete another account this round. I bet even Killmark's defence will be "I didn't know multing was illegal".
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7 Apr 2003, 16:58
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The whole process is already a joke.
The creators now have no ground to delete another account this round. I bet even Killmark's defence will be "I didn't know multing was illegal".
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Hicks i never agreed on anything with u before.. but this i do
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7 Apr 2003, 17:14
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hicks
The whole process is already a joke.
The creators now have no ground to delete another account this round. I bet even Killmark's defence will be "I didn't know multing was illegal".
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what about acc sharing, roidfarming, botusage...etc. (every other thing than "shipfarming"). Clearly they can delete planets doing this stuff.
IMO they can ofc delete people who farms ships now AFTER they rewrote the user agreement (the actual rules).
Rabba was reopened cos it didn't say in the user agreement that shipfarming was illegal untill a couple of days ago.
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7 Apr 2003, 19:30
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what about kids below 13 that didnt have the parents' permission and sign up anyway. are they deleted?
as its on top of the user-agreement i must be a worse crime than winning by ship&roidfarming.
hell, signing up as minor is worse than hacking, bot-using and the like!
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7 Apr 2003, 23:52
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Klaatu barada nikto
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Quote:
Originally posted by mens
what about acc sharing, roidfarming, botusage...etc. (every other thing than "shipfarming"). Clearly they can delete planets doing this stuff.
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Clearly they can't. The offenders will claim they didn't see the user agreement, or that they can't read English and clearly no one can be held to an agreement they can't possibly understand, or whatever. Having, once again, upheld the principle that users must be spoon fed the rules before they have to obey them, the users will simply clamp their mouths shut and continue to evade them.
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IMO they can ofc delete people who farms ships now AFTER they rewrote the user agreement (the actual rules).
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I haven't see the new user agreement, and besides, they can't change the user agreement in the middle of a round--that's illegal! (See how easy it is )
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Rabba was reopened cos it didn't say in the user agreement that shipfarming was illegal untill a couple of days ago.
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Rabba was reopened because HQ are wimps.
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8 Apr 2003, 00:27
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cochese
The process became a joke the minute he was reopened, get a clue.
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8 Apr 2003, 01:30
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Originally posted by Tactitus
Clearly they can't. The offenders will claim they didn't see the user agreement, or that they can't read English and clearly no one can be held to an agreement they can't possibly understand, or whatever. Having, once again, upheld the principle that users must be spoon fed the rules before they have to obey them, the users will simply clamp their mouths shut and continue to evade them.
I haven't see the new user agreement, and besides, they can't change the user agreement in the middle of a round--that's illegal! (See how easy it is )
Rabba was reopened because HQ are wimps.
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Funny, he was also closed because HQ are wimps. They initially took the same action that they ultimately took, and only closed him when the Board Trolls came out of their caves en masse.
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8 Apr 2003, 03:30
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Originally posted by mens
rumours rumours...
I have never read an announcement about his resignation.
He hasn't said anything about that either. I've known him for 18 years, he would've told me.
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It was never official thats why. He told other WEET HC in a shared channel that he was resigning.
Of course, then Prince told him in private message that he didnt believe Rabba should be closed so Rabba stayed.
Shambles.
He gets closed then gets told to "hang on" because he will probably get reopened. The close was an entire farce.
Pityful. Pathetic. And a whole number of other words.
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8 Apr 2003, 07:49
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doing something...useful?
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Tactitus,
not having read the TOS for some reason ("overlooked", "not found", "foreign language") does not render them invalid for that person. If you sign up for a service, it is your responsibility to make sure you've understood them, because if you register you agree to them - whether you have understood them or not. ;-)
If the TOS contains a clause allowing for them to be changed anytime and without notice, you can change them anytime. Finally, this is a matter of sensitive handling of TOS changes: If it serves for making the services safer in a sensible way (like adding more variants of cheating that will lead to account suspension), no honest user will resent it.
Again, i'd opt for handling anti-cheat measures more rigorously and accept an 80% or 90% failsafe proof of cheating as a reason to shut down a PA account; as I have stated before, most people for who such a proof exists indeed cheat. :-)
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8 Apr 2003, 17:08
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Originally posted by Zh|l
It was never official thats why. He told other WEET HC in a shared channel that he was resigning.
Of course, then Prince told him in private message that he didnt believe Rabba should be closed so Rabba stayed.
Shambles.
He gets closed then gets told to "hang on" because he will probably get reopened. The close was an entire farce.
Pityful. Pathetic. And a whole number of other words.
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8 Apr 2003, 20:23
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Too bad they changed the rules. There was not need to forbid ship farming. They can close accounts without giving a reason. If someone finds another way of cheating or whatever spoils the game: close the account, then perhaps later amend the rules, for clarity, not for legalising the closure.
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8 Apr 2003, 20:57
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Is it just me or does anyone else recall the rules telling ship farming is illegal for more than just a couple of days?
If I'm wrong then Rabba is just as innocent as all the other shipfarmers throughout the rounds.
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8 Apr 2003, 22:37
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ariados
Is it just me or does anyone else recall the rules telling ship farming is illegal for more than just a couple of days?
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They didn't
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9 Apr 2003, 22:13
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[25-Feb] [23:49:48] <@CH> 5) Dreadnought (present) asked: Is Ship farming Illegal in r9?
[25-Feb] [23:50:00] <@Spinner> Hi Dreadnought
[25-Feb] [23:50:03] <+Dreadnought> lo
[25-Feb] [23:50:04] <+Dreadnought> 
[25-Feb] [23:50:04] <@Prince> lo dready
[25-Feb] [23:50:30] <@Spinner> Yes, ship farming is illegal
Seems fairly unambiguous.
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9 Apr 2003, 22:47
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Seems fairly unambiguous.
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The point is, we can't expect everyone to gather the rules by feedback from CH.
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9 Apr 2003, 23:08
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We'll see what happens now, since he's returned to ship farming, albiet more discreetly (though still terribly obvious).
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cochese
We'll see what happens now, since he's returned to ship farming, albiet more discreetly (though still terribly obvious).
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I'd like to see evidence of this, personally. Care to PM me with anything?
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10 Apr 2003, 02:19
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mushroom
The point is, we can't expect everyone to gather the rules by feedback from CH.
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The point is, you used to and could still--but choose not to.
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10 Apr 2003, 08:38
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We'll see what happens now, since he's returned to ship farming, albiet more discreetly (though still terribly obvious).
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you stupid idiot, how the hell can you say shti like this?
He lost 1 mill points for 60 demeters the other day.
I'm sure he would show you battlereport of it.
Back your clueless posts up with facts or don't post at all.
we don't need your crap ok?
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seems all of wolfpack is on this cheaters side.
doesnt surpise me a bit though, they allways were and allways will be cheating cnuts.
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there is only one solution for this "problem"
just attack this ****ing cheater. catch this damn fleet. and let him die in some less ticks.
or is eclipse too lame to do this?
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