GMT or CEST

GMT GMT IS THE ONLY ONE IT CAN BE!

GMT > CEST

[Scaggydo]

Originally posted by Scaggydo
*sigh

cheers for bringin this thread back from the dead..

this thread just breeds arguements with no outcome about which all parties can agree. its either one or the other. theres no reason why one is better than the other, just opinions cos its more handy for you..

end of the day its up the the creators to make a decision and then we like it or lump it, but theres no justified reason for one over the other.

someone kill this thread

*sigh.. last post on p2, heh, got lost. sorry, but its the only post that makes sense.. im sure quotin myself breaches some rule.. as punishment, you should close this thread or something Leshy..

[Zitos]

Let people chose their 'prefered' time from preference, and let the time be the same - either your using gmt, cest, cet, des, bes or dicks.. it doesnt bloddy mather that much..

[Chax]

Originally posted by Tactitus
No--haven't you been following the overburn discussions? First they'd have to announce that it won't be changed, then run a poll, then change it again.


But seriously, in keeping with the spirit of a space game, I think they should use Martian Time (MT). In Martian Time, each "day" would be approximately 24 hours, 40-odd minutes long. The "extra" time would be accomodated by inserting approximately 100 additional seconds right before each tick--right where they needed the most (think how many times we've all just missed the tick)!

Of course the martian hours would be out of sync with terrestial hours, but this would actually offer some important advantages. Consider the prime attacking hours: 3-5 am. They would arrive ~40 minutes later each night; and while this would initially be inconvenient, they would soon migrate to the much more convenient mid-morning, afternoon and finally prime evening hours , eventually arriving back at their early morning time after a period of about 37 days. This would allow everyone--no matter which time zone they were in or what their work/school schedule was--to participate in attacks and defenses equally! Any advantages or disadvantages that might come from being awake or asleep at certain hours would be shared equally amongst all players.

If you think about it, MT is an ideal time zone that would be fair for everyone.

I once asked Tac how old he was and he replied in Martian years.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Chax
I once asked Tac how old he was and he replied in Martian years.

Indeed.

Martian Time solves so many problems.

[genosse27]

pa was allways cest and should allways be.

gmt is ****, all player around the world know the cest time and worked with it for years. And now because some english gimps are owning this game u wanna screw the time up for all player?
ffs, a really sad decision. Most player live in the cest time zone.
U break a nice tradition in this game, what is next ?
we get pink gfx?

[genosse27]

Originally posted by -o|DarkJedi|o-
the standard time for the world is GMT

i see no reason why that shouldn't stick for the universe too!

yeah.. the world cycles around england.
like london is the center or the world...
ffs, there is no standard time for the world, gmt is just the time zone from which all peps around the world base their own standard time zone on!

[genosse27]

Originally posted by Scaggydo
what? ure gonna quit and spam us all..

am i missing a joke here or are you really acting 6 yrs old?

perhaps u didnt got that with your small british brain, that i agreed on the fact that pa should be based on CEST and not on GMT. And not that i will quit if they dont change it back.

anyway.. the amount of cest users is like 6 times higher than the gmt users. But who cares about his customers.

[RealJames]

Originally posted by CokeLight
Would suck if Spinner overslept because he mixed times, wouldnt it? He still lived in Norway last time I checked

What?

To explain my point, the game is phyiscally based in the UK now.

As regards those who are just plain insulting the UK, stop being so pathetic. Some of the comments on this thread are verging on racist. If you want to have a discussion, do so on this thread. If you want to just insult people kindly go elsewhere, like non-PA discussions.

[Satoeng]

my vote for CEST !!!

no arguing about the biggest playergroup coming from central europe (and scandinavia) using that. why change it ?

Cest

[genosse27]

i really wonder why they dont make a poll

[Tomkat]

Why don't you all just stop whinging and get used to having to add 1 hour onto what it is normally. Its not that complicated.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by genosse27
yeah.. the world cycles around england.
like london is the center or the world...
ffs, there is no standard time for the world, gmt is just the time zone from which all peps around the world base their own standard time zone on!

You're very wrong.

Perhaps if you were right more often, you wouldn't make such an idiot of yourself. You stupid English person. Chortle.

[Stals]

Originally posted by Hicks
I'd assume like betas/speed games with launch times given as a tick rather than as a time.

To be honest what time zone the game is played in makes very little difference to me although I'd like to stick to CEST just out of tradition. I'm under the impression the largest group of players comes from the UK ?

can't be arsed to read rest of this long thread, and I'm sure its already quoted, but i think as many Norwegian players and UK plays this game too... ?
Atleast in % of all ppl living in the country

[RealJames]

Originally posted by Ahriman
You're very wrong.

Perhaps if you were right more often, you wouldn't make such an idiot of yourself. You stupid English person. Chortle.

heheh pld

[BetrayerOfHope]

CEST > GMT

[RealJames]

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
CEST > GMT

It's another poster who can't actually understand the 'discussion' part of 'Planetarion Dicussions'.

[Tomkat]

Originally posted by RealJames
It's another poster who can't actually understand the 'discussion' part of 'Planetarion Dicussions'.

I don't think this is even a discussion any more. It seems to be more a whiny post from a bunch of non-UK people about how they are incapable of adding one hour onto their LTs.

[Spoonman]

NZT !

[RealJames]

Originally posted by Tomkat
I don't think this is even a discussion any more. It seems to be more a whiny post from a bunch of non-UK people about how they are incapable of adding one hour onto their LTs.

Surely they would be showing that they are equally adept as us UK people by playing the game on a different timezone from their own. I mean, it's not like it's hard.

[genosse27]

Originally posted by Ahriman
You're very wrong.

Perhaps if you were right more often, you wouldn't make such an idiot of yourself. You stupid English person. Chortle.

u should learn to read all sentences to the end

[Devo]

From a historical/technical/scientific point of view, GMT is the time on which all time is set. Hence why time zones are often 'GMT +X'. It was to do with the old British Empire or something I believe...

Anyway, I'd rather have GMT than CEST because I live in GMT and so less maths for me to do Then again, the same arguement can be applied to any time. I don't think it is a major issue, and certainly not one worth 7 pages of replies. I doubt people will even notice that much of a change. I mean who really needs to look at the PA clock to tell what the time is?

On a side note, I have and always will organise my attacks in GMT, so I suspect the CEST fans will just carry on using CEST!

[Devo]

Forgot to comment on these two entertaining posts ;-)

Originally posted by genosse27
yeah.. the world cycles around england.
like london is the center or the world...
ffs, there is no standard time for the world, gmt is just the time zone from which all peps around the world base their own standard time zone on!

No, GMT is the basis for all time... Which is what you basically said anyway. You seem to be arguing with yourself in your own thread? And yes, when GMT was first devised, England did own a lot of the world (The British Empire, remember your history?)

Originally posted by genosse27
pa was allways cest and should allways be.

gmt is ****, all player around the world know the cest time and worked with it for years. And now because some english gimps are owning this game u wanna screw the time up for all player?
ffs, a really sad decision. Most player live in the cest time zone.
U break a nice tradition in this game, what is next ?
we get pink gfx?

Tame the language down a tone. This isn't a slagging match. Anyway, as I said eariler, I don't see what the big change is. Unless you set your own watch by the PA clock (Which isn't actually accurate ). And no, the pink gfx aren't going to be implimented until rnd 10... ;-)

[Terrans]

i originaly planned not to register to forums but after hearing that guy talk out his arse (genosse27) i had to.

look mate if it wasnt for jolt you wouldnt even be in the game. You also make your country look like its a bunch of moaning people. Did you see the UK saying stuff like that when they joined the game and it was CEST...?

wait you didnt did u. So stop being a moan and if you dont like it cause the time has been changed by 1 hour (GOD SAVE WORLD) then dont play.

Jolt owns planetarion and its now owned by a uk company end of discussion so if you cant stand to be able to add or take away 1 hour whatever then you must be realy realy strange.

It doesnt matter if the time has been changed, it doesnt matter if they made a hole new clock its still going to be planetarion it doesnt make a difference at all you are just wasting time on a pointless converstation. Its uk company its now gmt and i think jolt deserves to be allowed to use what time they see fit and that time is GMT.

[Terrans]

are u moderators going to close this post?

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Terrans
are u moderators going to close this post?

I stopped praying for that three pages ago... :/

[RealJames]

Originally posted by Terrans
i originaly planned not to register to forums but after hearing that guy talk out his arse (genosse27) i had to.

look mate if it wasnt for jolt you wouldnt even be in the game. You also make your country look like its a bunch of moaning people. Did you see the UK saying stuff like that when they joined the game and it was CEST...?

wait you didnt did u. So stop being a moan and if you dont like it cause the time has been changed by 1 hour (GOD SAVE WORLD) then dont play.

Jolt owns planetarion and its now owned by a uk company end of discussion so if you cant stand to be able to add or take away 1 hour whatever then you must be realy realy strange.

It doesnt matter if the time has been changed, it doesnt matter if they made a hole new clock its still going to be planetarion it doesnt make a difference at all you are just wasting time on a pointless converstation. Its uk company its now gmt and i think jolt deserves to be allowed to use what time they see fit and that time is GMT.

'Nuff said.

[hAl]

I thought UK comapnies are on BST ?

Just give everybody a time setting in preference and let them work it out for themselves.

hAl

[RealJames]

Originally posted by hAl
Just give everybody a time setting in preference and let them work it out for themselves.

Then you'd just get alliances and attack groups choosing a standard. It would be interesting to see how it would pan out.

[hAl]

Originally posted by RealJames
Then you'd just get alliances and attack groups choosing a standard. It would be interesting to see how it would pan out.

So, let the alliances and players sort it out themselves. No need for PA to regulate anymore.

hAl

[RealJames]

Originally posted by hAl
So, let the alliances and players sort it out themselves. No need for PA to regulate anymore.

I expect the adopted standard would be CEST since all the Europeans would whinge about anything else.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by hAl
I thought UK comapnies are on BST ?

BST = British Summer Time.


Presuming that the majority player base is now European (which I think it might be, but certainly hasn't always been); did people on the Meridian complain about the timezone when the player base was mainly British? No.

Does the arbitrary timezone that PA uses actually affect your life or even the way you play planetarion in any way? No. (Thank you very much I've been playing PA with my local timezone being -1 for 2 years, I consider myself quite expert in this matter.)

Did you bail out the company and save PA thus earning the right to take whatever decisions about arbitrary time variables you please? No.


So genosse, I did in fact read your entire post, and did in fact make far more sense than your rambling attempts at racism have in this thread so far. Do you think you're going to accomplish anything whatsoever by continuing to say "CEST > GMT"? (shouldn't it be "CET > GMT" anyway? Or does your complete disregard for logic serve you in that, too?). The answer to this question as with those above, is a resounding: No.

Rather than continue to move in circles in this thread, I'll do my bit and unsubscribe from the thread. Have fun whining ineffectually without my interest

[Scaggydo]

fs, whether you like it or not, GMT is the centre for world time. the clock by which all clocks are set is in Grenwich, London, UK. it is THE centre for time.

this doesnt mean the game should run to GMT, but the fact it used to run to CEST doesnt mean it should always be CEST either.

GMT is the centre for world time, and wnyone who argues against that just cos they dont like it IS WRONG. but that doesnt mean the game should be GMT.

The fact is there is no difference between the 2. its 1 bloody hour. if the game is truely a worldwide game, the i guess GMT should be the chosen time, if the game wants to be true to its past, it would probably be CEST. either way its hardly worth arguing about, its not a problem, just something for ppl to bitch about. let the creators make a decision and stick to it and then they can be busy making important decisions rather than stupid ones that have no actual bearing on the game itself.

[§pa¢e¢ook¦e]

why not beats .. no huzz and fuzz with timezones etc 1 time for all

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Scaggydo
fs, whether you like it or not, GMT is the centre for world time. the clock by which all clocks are set is in Grenwich, London, UK. it is THE centre for time.

Actually, the reference time is Coordinated Universal Time (UCT) which is maintained by Bureau International des Poids et Mesures (BIPM) in Sèvres, France. UCT is itself derived from International Atomic Time (TAI) which is measured on hundreds of atomic clocks located around the world. There's no single "master" clock in Greenwich--or anywhere else.

Whichever time is used, I do hope they stop observing Daylight Saving Time (aka Summer Time) in the game; as there's no international standard as to when (or if) countries go on or off Daylight Saving Time.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by §pa¢e¢ook¦e
why not beats .. no huzz and fuzz with timezones etc 1 time for all

That's what the tick counter (PT) was supposed to do; but they never completed the implementation by putting PT timestamps in news entries.

[Scaggydo]

tacticus, it was the gist i was trying to get across.. the point that not timezone is better than any other..

[Stals]

keep it CEST no doubt !

[Eskimo]

Originally posted by Terrans
i originaly planned not to register to forums but after hearing that guy talk out his arse (genosse27) i had to.

look mate if it wasnt for jolt you wouldnt even be in the game. You also make your country look like its a bunch of moaning people. Did you see the UK saying stuff like that when they joined the game and it was CEST...?

wait you didnt did u. So stop being a moan and if you dont like it cause the time has been changed by 1 hour (GOD SAVE WORLD) then dont play.

Jolt owns planetarion and its now owned by a uk company end of discussion so if you cant stand to be able to add or take away 1 hour whatever then you must be realy realy strange.

It doesnt matter if the time has been changed, it doesnt matter if they made a hole new clock its still going to be planetarion it doesnt make a difference at all you are just wasting time on a pointless converstation. Its uk company its now gmt and i think jolt deserves to be allowed to use what time they see fit and that time is GMT.

Apart from the fact that do agree that genosse27 is making a complete fool out of himself, I ask myself whether you have forgotten that the game resolves around the community and not the other way around. The game is owned by a company based in the UK, but if (I say -IF-) a majority of the community is protesting against the change to another time system, should the company not listen to this community?

Frankly I dont care which zone they base the game on, but making these posts just make me sad and worried about the amount of blatantly stupid people in this world.

I bothered to read the entire thread and seen the dozens of 'england has most players' posts and I can't help but reply on that one too now :P

Purely seen from the registrations and which single COUNTRY/NATION has the most players; yes England has the largest group of players possessing the same nationality.
However, some people think that this automatically means England has more players than France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands etc. etc. combined. Which is obviously wrong. Counting which timezone contains the most players, I think it's still the CET zone.

And honestly, this entire thread won't stop any changes being made or not. And anyone resisting against these changes or anyone who is advocating the switch to GMT will just have to accept whichever decision is made and after a month or so everyone will be using the new/old system just like any new player used to adapt to CET times.


p.s. bloke who bothered to register a forum account despite intending not to: I did see people from the UK complain about the use of CET and how they'd rather use GMT, when they first joined the game :P but as is the case now, this single jackass isn't, thank god, representing the entire community nor even his country.

[BLACK_OPPS]

GMT Is the gold standerd for time tho we are the 0 out of the world \o/

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned. PA time is the server time. As pa servers were origonally based in norway they ran on CET/CEST as that was local time, but now as JOlt hosts PA jolt are UK based and all there servers are GMT clocked so hence PA time = GMT.

BUt as all satuff is TICK bassed and if the ticker stops time doesn't, all PA related events except tickstart must be PT

Originally posted by Tactitus
There's no single "master" clock in Greenwich--or anywhere else.

actually GMT is set by an atomic clock in rugby maintained by the open university and all other timezones are measured as an offset from GMT.

THis all goes back to the British empire being 2/3rds of the earths landmass and Greenwich being the centre of it, with alll ships cronometeres being set from the time bubble on the top of the plaetarionn at greenwich.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by hellwolf
actually GMT is set by an atomic clock in rugby maintained by the open university and all other timezones are measured as an offset from GMT.

Well, no. The atomic clock in Rugby basically is just one of many used to compute UTC. They also mirror UTC for the UK.

THis all goes back to the British empire being 2/3rds of the earths landmass and Greenwich being the centre of it, with alll ships cronometeres being set from the time bubble on the top of the plaetarionn at greenwich.

Yes, well, time has moved on.

[swollen plums]

i honestly fail to see the issue
people that launched at 4,5,6,7 cest
are still going to launch at 4,5,6,7 cest
its not even slightly harder to get your head round is it?

[RealJames]

Originally posted by DaRk_anthraX
keep it CEST no doubt !

Another one missing the 'discussion' part.

[genosse27]

so.. where is the problem with making a poll and let the community decide

[RealJames]

Originally posted by genosse27
so.. where is the problem with making a poll and let the community decide

I'd be happy to see a poll, especially if it meant you stopped posting.

[hAl]

I repeat, let it be a in game preference setting. No real discusssion needed any more. alliances can direct their members to use one set preference or use PT time for coordination. Everybody happy.

Only thing that is left then is announcements on a few non ingame moments like the time of CH or the actual start of ticks. Well, those can be done in GMT for all I care but they might even be done in in game announcements using your preference settings.

hAl

[Scouse]

Originally posted by hAl
I repeat, let it be a in game preference setting.

Anything but, imo. Allowing people to change their time zone would lead to lots of confusion. I don't see such the big deal with this, and I think most european people are just having a whinge because it's not their time anymore. Everyone else has dealt with it for 8 rounds, and believe me, it's no big deal at all.