Could the creators do anymore to kill PA??

[Carlyy]

Random gals of 10 planets, same as private.

rofl!!

They haven't so much as knocked a nail into the coffin of PA, as BURIED IT.

Its almost as if they are deliberately trying to kill off the existing PA community so they can start afresh in round 10. If thats the case, why don't they have the guts to just come out and say so.

[Kileman]

Its actually a smart move as it doesnt put a big "look at us we're random n00bs" sign over (what were) 25 player gals.
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Dodge journey

[isildurx]

smart move

just give randoms OB and its all good

[Troll]

Given the choices they had to make and limitations of the code, I'd say this is a great move

10 player privates. Excellent
10 player Randoms. Best solution to an unfixable problem
10 galaxy cluster. Should allow for a larger looking universe Excellent

[Carlyy]

Originally posted by Kileman
Its actually a smart move as it doesnt put a big "look at us we're random n00bs" sign over (what were) 25 player gals.

Within 1-2 weeks it will be plainly obvious which gals are random and which are private. Having the same number of planets in both types of gal will not help keep randoms hidden AT ALL.

[Al_zz]

Originally posted by Kileman
Its actually a smart move as it doesnt put a big "look at us we're random n00bs" sign over (what were) 25 player gals.

You are the n00b if you do know which gals are random in your C before end of protection !!!

[Al_zz]

Originally posted by Troll
10 player Randoms. Best solution to an unfixable problem

Worst solution would be the answer. This solution does not fix anything but makes differences between much much bigger.

hAl

[Jonas]

Many random gals are sure of having a chance, and certain private gals will definatley suck...tho I dont really think there will be m any random gals...


-Jonas-

[Jonas]

What would be cool tho, would be HC of the "biggest" alliances agreeing on telling their members to go random...we would get random back, and the pathetic guys who wouldnt agree would be hit by everyone, and after they were dead, we could have a fun random round (if random was 25, this would be extremely good )

[Al_zz]

Originally posted by Jonas
Many random gals are sure of having a chance, and certain private gals will definatley suck...tho I dont really think there will be m any random gals...

Especially under these rules there won't be many...

[Colt]

Originally posted by Carlyy

Its almost as if they are deliberately trying to kill off the existing PA community so they can start afresh in round 10. If thats the case, why don't they have the guts to just come out and say so.

They said that they werent looking for r9 to b a bigger universe, they only running it so we have somert to do b4 r10 starts.
Since they are planning huge advertisement for r10 then i dont think that the 3-4k that r left will be too missed, and neway, i cant see any of the 'hardcore' players not playin r9/10 neway.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Colt
They said that they werent looking for r9 to b a bigger universe, they only running it so we have somert to do b4 r10 starts.
Since they are planning huge advertisement for r10 then i dont think that the 3-4k that r left will be too missed, and neway, i cant see any of the 'hardcore' players not playin r9/10 neway.

Too right. If the past 8 rounds haven't driven you off; what's the likelyhood of R9 doing you in?

Face it, only the masochists are left. :/

[Kloopy]

Hi, I agree that it might not be the best solution to the problem. However, as its been pointed out, we have very little time and you all want to know details about the round in advance, we're trying to accomodate for that also.

I dont know whether you have or not, but there is a thread in "Questions to Players" forum which you could have had your say in. The plan is to use that forum for major issues such as this, so infuture get your say in.

But the different solutions are discussed well in that thread, take a read and I think you'll agree that all things considered, 10 players per random gal was the best thing we could do.

Kloopy

[The_Fish]

it always amazes me after things go wrong for people, how they all moan after decisions have been made, when they could have changed them. ****ing pricks.

[Shakky]

Originally posted by Troll

10 player privates. Excellent
10 player Randoms. Best solution to an unfixable problem
10 galaxy cluster. Should allow for a larger looking universe Excellent

fully agree on that it now be a task to suss out randoms and give them a fightin chance at the begging now give them OB and it should be kool

[hAl]

Originally posted by Kloopy
But the different solutions are discussed well in that thread, take a read and I think you'll agree that all things considered, 10 players per random gal was the best thing we could do.

Rarely seen a thread with so much ignorance in it. Lots of players who think they know about random gals after round 8 but who have never been in a random gals in a mixed universe. There have been like a dozen of threads on this forum as well and the only argument for a 10 person random gal is that they would not be recognized as random. A real joke. Even the blindest of PA players can spot random gals a mile away. Especially in cluster when cluster politics start it is extremly easy.

hAl

[Cochese]

So you'd rather have 20 inactives/farms/multis in your galaxy than 5?

(assuming at least 5 people in any given random galaxy are active)

[beefeb]

Originally posted by Tactitus
Too right. If the past 8 rounds haven't driven you off; what's the likelyhood of R9 doing you in?

Face it, only the masochists are left. :/

so tac, you gonna be playin or what, last i heard you were still a masochist

[Ap0k]

you all had the chance to change it. there was a great big ****ing thread in this brand new forum known as 'Questions to teh players'. if you didnt add your 2 cents then, theres no point bitching about it when its too late, as per ****ing usual.

jesus. u had ur chance, u missed it. now kindly stfu.

(incedentally, u all seem to presume that all the random players this round will be noobs, err, how many noobs have paid for the last few rounds? have a think about it, there are few new players left in the universe, and it hardly matters whether u go random or not, if u have no alliance behind u ur gonna have a tough time anyway, random or private)

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by beefeb
so tac, you gonna be playin or what, last i heard you were still a masochist

I probably won't be playing R9; dunno yet about R10.

I find that just watching from the sidelines is painful enough for my tastes!

[hAl]

Originally posted by Cochese
So you'd rather have 20 inactives/farms/multis in your galaxy than 5?

(assuming at least 5 people in any given random galaxy are active)

I'd rather have 20% active in a 25 person gal than 20% in a 10 person gal. Your assumption is weird as it have no basis whatsoever.

[hAl]

Originally posted by Ap0k
you all had the chance to change it. there was a great big ****ing thread in this brand new forum known as 'Questions to teh players'. if you didnt add your 2 cents then, theres no point bitching about it when its too late, as per ****ing usual.

jesus. u had ur chance, u missed it. now kindly stfu.

(incedentally, u all seem to presume that all the random players this round will be noobs, err, how many noobs have paid for the last few rounds? have a think about it, there are few new players left in the universe, and it hardly matters whether u go random or not, if u have no alliance behind u ur gonna have a tough time anyway, random or private)

I added to numerous threads about this subject and I voted on the poll that was held (which btw showed a clear majority for bigger gals !!!!) and was not aware of any question on the other part of the forum as I never visit it as it is mostly dead.

Btw the creators claim to read this forum as well so they might have seen the half a dozen threads on this forum that I did comment in on this subject.

Also I thought the poll was the thing the creators used to measure the players opinion and that was mostly pople wanting 20 persons in a random gals.

hAl

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Oh and btw I do not assume all players in random gal are n00bs as I have experience enough in this where you clearly have not. I played in r7 gal with 17 players that entered in rounds 2 to 5 before. Actually the one that got highest in gal in the end was a n00b. What I know is that most quality players will be in private gals. Random gals will consist mostly of left overs, people between alliance, people who will only do scanwork for alliances, farm/supportplanets, some players returning from r3/4 to see what PA has become like and a few, very few even, quality players. To assume they can even remotly immitate a private gal is a joke. In r8 some random gals had a shade of quality but those quality players will now be back in their little private gals.
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[Cochese]

Well all I keep hearing in your posts on this subject is "you don't know what it was like in r7/8 in a random galaxy" and no clear explanation of *just* what it was like...so I have nothing to go on but vague references, hence my assumptions.

If you'd take the time to write an informative, detailed post about just why more = better, I'd gladly read and offer less assumptive comments.

You haven't really given us anything solid to go on otherwise

Originally posted by Cochese
Well all I keep hearing in your posts on this subject is "you don't know what it was like in r7/8 in a random galaxy" and no clear explanation of *just* what it was like...so I have nothing to go on but vague references, hence my assumptions.

If you'd take the time to write an informative, detailed post about just why more = better, I'd gladly read and offer less assumptive comments.

You haven't really given us anything solid to go on otherwise

I enjoyed being a random. I only got hit twice, though.

There should be no distinction between random or private galaxies.

[Ap0k]

Originally posted by hAl
I added to numerous threads about this subject and I voted on the poll that was held (which btw showed a clear majority for bigger gals !!!!) and was not aware of any question on the other part of the forum as I never visit it as it is mostly dead.

Btw the creators claim to read this forum as well so they might have seen the half a dozen threads on this forum that I did comment in on this subject.

Also I thought the poll was the thing the creators used to measure the players opinion and that was mostly pople wanting 20 persons in a random gals.

hAl

[hypothetical] your town has an election for town mayor/electorate/etc. the competition is between candidates A and B. both are as bad as eachother, but A is the lesser of two evils. the rest of your town has been discussing who to vote for for the last few weeks, and no real conclusion has been made. you however, are inclined to go with B, and have voiced your opinions many times on the matter. in the pre-election B is in the lead, most people still havent really made their minds up, and not everyone has voted. then the proper real election comes along. and candidate A gets voted in, b/c those who hadnt voted before now voted for him, and some of the original ppl had changed their minds. you decided not to vote b/c you didnt know when the final election was being held/werent paying attention to what was going on around you. you cant go screaming MAKE B THE MAYOR/ELECTED PERSON CUZ HE WAS IN THE LEAD EARLIER. IVE VOTED AND SUPPORTED HIM MILLIONS OF TIMES!!. at the end of the day when the time came to put forth your views you missed it. and thats really all there is to say about it. [/hypothetical]

now, i realise the above example is crap. but maybe now your thinking along the same lines as i am. the point is that theres no point in blaming creators for making the decision they made (this is aimed at the topic at hand, not you) when it was clearly in the hands of the community to help make the decision. everyone has been complaining for months about how little input they get, and when they finally get the chance, they bitch cuz they didnt get what they want. you cant have it both ways. the chance was there to voice your opinions, you missed it, theres no point complaining about it now.

[Bashar]

Lets face it, it matters not what decision is made, there is a certain group within this community that can only be classed as moaning buggers, and who will moan anyway, just for the sake of moaning. I just wish those people would realise that if things are so bad, they should just sod off and then leave the rest of us with some peace.

Also, these people seem to possess a rare quality for knowing everything. They know that random galaxies will have no active players in them, they know that random galaxies will be ridculously disorganised, and not stand a chance. They know all of this, despite the fact that they have absolutely no evidence for this, except their own percieved previous experiences. I bet most of them have never even been in a random galaxy.

Impressive I think!

[Bong]

Originally posted by Cochese
So you'd rather have 20 inactives/farms/multis in your galaxy than 5?

(assuming at least 5 people in any given random galaxy are active)

certainly hope i have 5 actives in my gal, as it looks like i'll be going random. or maybe, the way things are going i could be the only 1 IN my gal

[Bong]

Originally posted by hAl
some players returning from r3/4 to see what PA has become like [/edit]

hey thats me

[Scoot951]

As has been said, the only benifit to 10-player random gals is that it makes them blend in easier.


And as has been said, this camoflauge will last approximatly 10 minutes before it becomes quite obvious whether they're private or random. And then they've lost the advantage of camoflauge, the advantage of quality, and the advantage of numbers.


What serious player would go random?

[Scoot951]

Originally posted by Cochese
Well all I keep hearing in your posts on this subject is "you don't know what it was like in r7/8 in a random galaxy" and no clear explanation of *just* what it was like...so I have nothing to go on but vague references, hence my assumptions.

If you'd take the time to write an informative, detailed post about just why more = better, I'd gladly read and offer less assumptive comments.

You haven't really given us anything solid to go on otherwise

Your assumption that a 10-player random gal and a 20-25-player random gal would both only have 5 active players makes absolutely no sense at all. Speaking on average a random player is 1/3-1/2 as active as a private player (as the private player is more likely to be in an alliance, more likely to have contacts, more experienced, etc). Meaning a random gal needs 2-3x as many players in order to match a single private gal.

[hAl]

Originally posted by Bashar
Also, these people seem to possess a rare quality for knowing everything. They know that random galaxies will have no active players in them, they know that random galaxies will be ridculously disorganised, and not stand a chance. They know all of this, despite the fact that they have absolutely no evidence for this, except their own percieved previous experiences. I bet most of them have never even been in a random galaxy.

Impressive I think!

Indeed, well luckily I do have the hands on experience and since my (25 people) random gal was in top 20 of random gals in r7 all round and I checked up all gals in front of mine regularly I know a lot about top random gals in a mixed universe. I know the kind of people that play in them and the way they play. What I find amazing that some can think making a gal consist of 10 players will make the gal blend in.

[Bong]

hal, as previously asked, it would be great if u could make a thread about experiences in a radom gal in a mixed universe.

[hAl]

Originally posted by Bong
hal, as previously asked, it would be great if u could make a thread about experiences in a radom gal in a mixed universe.

If you still really plan to go random ask me on IRC about it.

hAl

[Bong]

hal, as previously asked, it would be great if u could make a thread about experiences in a radom gal in a mixed universe.

[hAl]

Originally posted by Bong
hal, as previously asked, it would be great if u could make a thread about experiences in a radom gal in a mixed universe.

If you still really plan to go random ask me on IRC about it.

hAl

[wakka]

Guys I don't know about you. But if I were to pluck down $10.00 for a round of planetarion and not be active that would be like taking my last 10 dollar bill out of my wallet and burning it. Then go hungry until payday. I mean money is scarce why waste it, and not be active. Only a fool would do this. hey 10 dollars isn't much but its about 3 gallons of milk where I live, gotta love walmart.

As for their decission to go 10 10 10 I think its a wonderful idea. I mean sure the inactive galaxies will still stick out like a sore thumb,and they'll be obliterated as they always are,because thats the way of the game. The more active you are in your galaxy and your alliance,the better the chances of your survival are, unless you do something stupid of course.

speaking of the 10 dollars does anyone know if their gonna have payment centers in the USA. because not all of us have credit cards. And to send the money to the UK this would be slow,by the time your account gets activated youll be 3 weeks behind or more and that wouldn't be fun at all

[aza1]

giving randoms ob is the best idea i have heard yet.

[Bong]

Originally posted by hAl
If you still really plan to go random ask me on IRC about it.

hAl

i'll speak to you tonight on irc, ty mate

[RealJames]

Personally I am surprised that random and private galaxies are going to be the same size. I personally think private galaxies should have been 15 and random ones 25. Zeus never explained to me why he favoured 10, but I always thought 10 was just a bit too small. I can see the tried-and-tested packaging-bigger-than-product method being used here to augment the size of the universe, and tbh with the 10/10/10 arrangement it's not going to be hard to estimate the exact size of the universe, let alone having stats sites and the like that will count planets and galaxies for you.

As for priv and random gals being the same size, there are pros and cons. The pros are that they'll be identified more slowly, and therefore may get a bit of peace at the start of the game. The flip side is that beyond that week or so they'll be open to partly-covered raids which are very easy to set up on a whim. If I were going random I'd prefer people knowing I was random (ie have a 20 planet random gal) and hopefully have more active galaxy mates, in the hope that I'd get as many as are present in a private gal.

[Gerbie]

Ok let me share my experiences of playing random. I never played a full round before round 8 (which wasn't completed either). I played part of round 5, 6 and 7. I started in round 7 after about a week, simply because i did not want to pay right away and did not get my account till 1 or 2 weeks within the game.
There was a cluster alliance of the private galaxies, which used the random galaxies as farm. Our only means of defence was staying under the 20% limit so they could not attack us.
I still had fun though. Met some nice people. Learned to play a bit. Learned to use IRC. Joined an alliance.

I am not going random if there's a choice, unless there are Major advantages given to random gals. At least 2.5 times as many players or ob. (Dont tell me not to complain cause i did make a post at the thread about it.)

People wanting to play round 10 and going for a trial period in round 9 will decide never to play round 10 if they end up in a c99 random gal.

[Al_zz]

Bong, because others asked me on IRC as well who were thinking of playing random I put up a thread with info on what kind of gal members you can expect in a random gal. How to play in such a gal you can still ask off course allthough I fear that won't help you much this round.

hAl

[Carlyy]

Originally posted by Kloopy
Hi, I agree that it might not be the best solution to the problem. However, as its been pointed out, we have very little time and you all want to know details about the round in advance, we're trying to accomodate for that also.

I dont know whether you have or not, but there is a thread in "Questions to Players" forum which you could have had your say in. The plan is to use that forum for major issues such as this, so infuture get your say in.

But the different solutions are discussed well in that thread, take a read and I think you'll agree that all things considered, 10 players per random gal was the best thing we could do.

Kloopy

Aaah. Ignorance is bliss.

I'll have to stop referring to the people who run PA as "creators", as about the only thing they create is confusion and disappointment. I'll stick to "PA team" from now on, or perhaps the more accurate "destroyers".

[Bong]

Originally posted by Al_zz
Bong, because others asked me on IRC as well who were thinking of playing random I put up a thread with info on what kind of gal members you can expect in a random gal. How to play in such a gal you can still ask off course allthough I fear that won't help you much this round.

hAl

yeah saw it, thanx mate, i found it to be a very nice overview of a radom gal's situation
although it has made me re-think going random, as before i was more than happy to go random, not try and win the game, or conquer loadz of planets, just have a fun round with even battles etc.
but it now looks like that wont happen, so im looking for a private gal

[AlbinoSquirrel]

The Carlyy troll account is reaching new highs (lows?), I see...

[Carlyy]

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
The Carlyy troll account is reaching new highs (lows?), I see...

Elaborate.

[Scaggydo]

for gods sake.. another moaning thread cant Kloopy add a Moaning section for us to all ignore?

pa is ****e, pa is dead, everything is wrong.. so **** off!

[Al_zz]

Originally posted by Scaggydo
pa is ****e, pa is dead, everything is wrong.. so **** off!

After you sir.

[Ap0k]

Originally posted by Carlyy
Aaah. Ignorance is bliss.

I'll have to stop referring to the people who run PA as "creators", as about the only thing they create is confusion and disappointment. I'll stick to "PA team" from now on, or perhaps the more accurate "destroyers".

if its so bad, why dont u do us all a favour and quit?

[Carlyy]

Originally posted by Ap0k
if its so bad, why dont u do us all a favour and quit?

Because I still cling to a small hope that maybe, just maybe, the "destroyers" will see sense and start to implement changes that are for the good of the game, and not pander to the small (but oh so vocal) elite hardcore all the time.

PA *NEEDS* a large player base to be successful for the owners, and fun for the players.

All I keep seeing are changes that deter new players and encourage the silent majority of casual gamers to quit.

I don't want PA to die, but it seems the destroyers do.

[Ap0k]

with encouragement like your giving them. its no wonder u get ignored.