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24 Oct 2004, 22:06
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Would you ever do it?
Would you ever give up your life to save the one of another? Whatever your answer is, explain the situations and terms to which you would/wouldn't do such a thing.
I'm asking this because those that answer yes/may be (ie: to one's own family etc.) have as much terrorist potential residing within themselves compared to Iraq. One difference in my opinion is society prevents us from bringing it out in most cases. So is society the answer to preventing the potential of terrorism within people from ever flourishing? (ignoring some factors)
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24 Oct 2004, 22:41
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Re: Would you ever do it?
i'd like to think i would but having never been put in that kind of situation I have no idea how I'd react.
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24 Oct 2004, 23:14
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Re: Would you ever do it?
one live for one other? that would have to be someone i seriously love, like wife or children. i have neither so hard to say. for people i dont know it would have to be more than one, maybe a 100 or a 1000, i dont know, whatever i couldnt live with the rest of my life. but i dont know how such a situation could occur.
as for the terrorists, they dont exactly blow themselfs up to save other lives, but to take as many with them as possible. sure, they fight to free their country from american influence in the only way they can, but thats an entirely different situation.
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24 Oct 2004, 23:47
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Re: Would you ever do it?
I'd certainly give up my life for my wife or children. Considering what I've already sacrificed for my children it'd be a bit odd not to.
With respect to terrorism, I could never kill innocent people. If my country were invaded I might well be willing to kill enemy soldiers or officials; but I couldn't deliberately kill ordinary civilians/children.
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24 Oct 2004, 23:53
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Re: Would you ever do it?
But the light is that they see the people they blow-up as enemies in one sense so that's not too dis-similar to saving someone's life from a potential 'human' enemy?
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24 Oct 2004, 23:58
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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I'd certainly give up my life for my wife or children. Considering what I've already sacrificed for my children it'd be a bit odd not to.
With respect to terrorism, I could never kill innocent people. If my country were invaded I might well be willing to kill enemy soldiers or officials; but I couldn't deliberately kill ordinary civilians/children.
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how about people who help the invader?
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25 Oct 2004, 00:02
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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But the light is that they see the people they blow-up as enemies in one sense so that's not too dis-similar to saving someone's life from a potential 'human' enemy?
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its not at all similar. they are simply fighting a war in iraq.
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25 Oct 2004, 00:10
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Re: Would you ever do it?
depends on the estimated 'quality' of my life after said dilemma.
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25 Oct 2004, 00:44
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Re: Would you ever do it?
In my opinion that's what love is - being willing to give your life for theirs. I'd give my life for any member of my family, or my closest friends, or my girlfriend - because I love them.
That's of course different to being "in love".
But that's how I term it anyway. So yes, I'd be willing to give my love for something/someone I love. Otherwise, no.
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25 Oct 2004, 01:55
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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Originally Posted by Androme2
Would you ever give up your life to save the one of another? Whatever your answer is, explain the situations and terms to which you would/wouldn't do such a thing.
I'm asking this because those that answer yes/may be (ie: to one's own family etc.) have as much terrorist potential residing within themselves compared to Iraq. One difference in my opinion is society prevents us from bringing it out in most cases. So is society the answer to preventing the potential of terrorism within people from ever flourishing? (ignoring some factors)
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I'm not sure sacrifice need be quite the same as terrorism, but please, do explain.
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25 Oct 2004, 02:38
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Re: Would you ever do it?
As of right now there is only one person whom I would give my life for. Perhaps that makes me a bad person, but there you have it.
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25 Oct 2004, 02:49
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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I'm not sure sacrifice need be quite the same as terrorism, but please, do explain.
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It is (very similar, almost same) in reality though even if the context of which a sacrifice is/would be executed differ... almost contrast infact.
Loving your parents compared to loving your wife differ in context, but the connection to loving remains very similar.
It's in this way of understanding that I am bringing forward the idea that sacrifice seems acceptable, providing your morals (which stem down from society) would accept the idea. It's in this sense that people in Iraq are often portrayed in the wrong sense - don't judge them for being products of their environment and don't hold such negative viewpoints (It's not a particular point, it's just a general point)
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25 Oct 2004, 03:08
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Re: Would you ever do it?
If the cause was just and I had a decent chance at success I would do it. "Honour" etc. etc.
Though I do think the terrorists are stupid for blowing themselves up. If they don't blow themselves up, they can take out more people, thus furthering their cause in the long run.
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25 Oct 2004, 04:57
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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how about people who help the invader?
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"Help" is pretty vague in this context. Is a shopkeeper who sells a pack of gum to an enemy soldier helping the invaders? Is someone who distributes or accepts the invader's humanitarian aid helping the invaders? Is anyone working for the provisional government (bus drivers, sewage workers, teachers, etc.) helping the invaders?
Eventually it's all just an excuse to terrorize the populace. And when you reach the point where you're killing as many of your countrymen as the enemy you can make up your own definitions of who are the invaders and who are the liberators.
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25 Oct 2004, 08:22
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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I'm not sure sacrifice need be quite the same as terrorism, but please, do explain.
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I think he means "Would you die for a cause you love", as suicide bombers do. Although I think they mainly can do it because they believe they're going to some form of their heaven, more than because they love their cause...
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25 Oct 2004, 09:50
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Re: Would you ever do it?
My family, my best friend
If they were dying and my death could prevent theres id do it. They have given my so much love, cared for me, been there for me, helping me, given me safety, given me a home. Id give them everything and anything if i could. Id give them the world... my heart.
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25 Oct 2004, 10:55
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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Originally Posted by Tactitus
"Help" is pretty vague in this context. Is a shopkeeper who sells a pack of gum to an enemy soldier helping the invaders? Is someone who distributes or accepts the invader's humanitarian aid helping the invaders? Is anyone working for the provisional government (bus drivers, sewage workers, teachers, etc.) helping the invaders?
Eventually it's all just an excuse to terrorize the populace. And when you reach the point where you're killing as many of your countrymen as the enemy you can make up your own definitions of who are the invaders and who are the liberators.
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well, in iraq they mostly concentrate on police and soldiers. it doesnt make sence for them to kill random civilians, does it? blowing up a school bus full of children doesnt help them to get the us-army out of the country, does it (unless they can somehow blame the us for it)? so i doubt they 'terrorize the populace' on purpose, just like it doesnt make much sence for the us-army to kill civilians in falluja, they are just at the wronge place at the wrong time.
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25 Oct 2004, 12:39
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Re: Would you ever do it?
No, of course not. I might risk my life if the thing was important to me, but not a 1 for 1 swap.
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25 Oct 2004, 12:43
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Re: Would you ever do it?
Posting in a thread where Nod makes a selfish cameo appearance
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25 Oct 2004, 12:46
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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No of course not. I might risk my life if the thing was important, but not a 1 for 1 swap.
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you stole my answer
i would risk my life but i wouldnt freely just give it up
i was going to also say that i would kill someone (or lots of people) i didnt care about to keep someone i love alive
i think of it as a balance type of thing
though quite selfish
for me (but also the planet as a whole) even a quite a few million people wouldnt be missed
but to me the one person i save would make me happy
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25 Oct 2004, 14:27
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Re: Would you ever do it?
youre talking about me right?
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25 Oct 2004, 15:53
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Re: Would you ever do it?
Sadly, I find myself agreeing with Madi.
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25 Oct 2004, 15:59
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Re: Would you ever do it?
Depends on who it was.
If my section was under attack and a grenade came in, I'd dive on it to try and save them.
If it were a bus coming towards my family and I could push them out the way but risk my own life in the process, I'd probably do that as well.
If it were some guy in town who was getting mugged at gunpoint or something, I doubt I'd care enough to even bother getting involved. I might call the police, but that would probably be it.
Having said that, I have dived into fights against all odd's in town when people I don't even know have been getting the shit kicked out of them, so that was kinda risky given the state of play these days and the amount of people who carry.
Would probably depend on the situation, it's all very well and good saying all this now, but if it actually came down to it I think it would be a split second decision with very little thought behind it.
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25 Oct 2004, 18:01
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Re: Would you ever do it?
posting to agree with skiddy
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25 Oct 2004, 18:04
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Re: Would you ever do it?
no.
what do you think i am? a terrorist?
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25 Oct 2004, 19:11
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Re: Would you ever do it?
If I considered the person's life I was attempting to save worth more than my own life then yes. So if they were doing something really important like inventing vacuum energy extraction or defeating the concept of mysticism in two sentences (assuming I couldn't do these things myself) I'd sacrifice my own life for theirs.
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26 Oct 2004, 00:14
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Re: Would you ever do it?
Only if no-one suspected I was actually suicidal.
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26 Oct 2004, 00:21
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Re: Would you ever do it?
I wouldn't know until I was placed in a situation to do so.
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26 Oct 2004, 07:14
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Re: Would you ever do it?
I'd "swap" my life for someone I loved (I think, Skiddy is correct that it would probably be a split-second decision). I don't say this for purely selfless reasons, I'm not sure I'd appreciate the quality of the rest of my life if I knew I let my partner / whomever die.
I'd probably risk my life for a stranger, but I wouldn't give my life up (i.e. intervene where I know I'd die).
I'm not sure how terrorism comes into it. Yes, I probably would die "for the cause", but not in a suicide bombing style attack. It comes down to perception of risk. Detonating a bomb strapped to your chest to me means certain death (if all goes "well"), whereas you could survive a crazy armed assault against El Presidenté's private compound (if you were lucky). I wouldn't kill innocent civilians although I can imagine how some people get to the stage where, for them, there are no innocents.
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26 Oct 2004, 08:19
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Re: Would you ever do it?
There is no-one currently in my life that I'd die for. Sad but true.
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26 Oct 2004, 09:28
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Re: Would you ever do it?
ah come on The_Fish, what about you Alliance members
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26 Oct 2004, 11:33
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Re: Would you ever do it?
especially not them!
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26 Oct 2004, 12:11
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Re: Would you ever do it?
how about just me then?
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26 Oct 2004, 16:44
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Re: Would you ever do it?
I'll let you know what I would do if the situation ever cropped up.
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27 Oct 2004, 13:30
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Re: Would you ever do it?
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I'd "swap" my life for someone I loved (I think, Skiddy is correct that it would probably be a split-second decision). I don't say this for purely selfless reasons, I'm not sure I'd appreciate the quality of the rest of my life if I knew I let my partner / whomever die.
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Well you might as well try it and find out. If it were unbearable you could just kill yourself anyway. You should make choices so as to keep options open in the future
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Re: Would you ever do it?
You should make choices so as to better shape the universe in accordance with your will.
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