Regime of Farming

[cypher]

Originally posted by Hicks
In case you didn't notice there's a slight difference between real life and Planetarion.

I didn't hear you say that when killmark got compared to a rapist.

and p.s. i think Scouse is the best thing that ever happened to me and i want to officially thank him

[sigrid]

Originally posted by Kileman
loal

nice post Zhil, made me giggle


Any gal (or alliance) that is affiliated with Killmark deserves to be destroyed. You shouldnt even need an excuse.

For an alliance to be a socially responsible citizen, they must respond to the demands of their stakeholders, while balancing there legal and moral obligations with economic maximisation.


Fred: You know just as well as I do that the 'creators checks' arent exactly flawless.... I mean furbies (your account swapped r8 gal) got past them how many times, the multi escort whores always get past them, and DTA in r7 got past them until I nailed the location of your farm and gathered enough evidence.

BDB: You made statements in R7 against your "anti donation/farming" policy, and we all know what a crock of **** that was, dont we?

hypocrites

you adding the word hypocrites made me fall from my chair laughing

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by cyphie
and p.s. i think Scouse is the best thing that ever happened to me and i want to officially thank him

ya, and I'd like to thank my mum and dad and ofc my lovely GF for supporting me throughout this 9 rounds ...

rgds Kj

[Terminator2003]

Originally posted by SilverSmoke
Talented players, untalented players


jesus STFU this is a simple browser based game without any depth regarding to the game mechanics. We're not talking about chess here retards

winnar

ps. im l33ter > yo at pa (huh huhuh uhuh im cool)

[genosse27]

eh, just a poor explanation to take down some top ranked wp member. Seems like eclipse is preparing for the inner weet fight.

at least they kill killmark :e_bunny:

[Terminator2003]

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
I love seeing the bitter twats come out... hello Bob and Fred. Still bitter about your fall from eliteness in R7? My heart bleeds for you.

tbh, you're playing the political angle more than anyone else. Eclipse doesn't have to justify hitting that galaxy to anyone, except maybe its allies. Same with any alliance in the game. If they choose to boot and roid players for whatever reason, that's entirely their business. Might be lame in some cases, but if you think it's lame, why don't you do something about it other than whine on a forum which doesn't influence anyone anymore?

Besides, I fail to see how anyone can complain about Killmark being taken down. Again.

plz. kill them. those lamers roided my random gal. thats a top gal with leet players? no way!

[Terminator2003]

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
Fury didn't have a sense of humor.

Eclipse does????

[Mesiaz]

I've probably spent like 2 hours in total on pa this round, and:

[Mar22 17:56] <Mesiaz> btw, xx:x is cheating somehow
[Mar22 17:56] <Mesiaz> no way those guys could get to #1 otgerwise
[Mar22 17:56] <Mesiaz> otherwise*

If you knew just the slightest bit about teampies and the players involved there, you would be possitive they were cheating from the day you saw them in top100.

[Berserker]

Originally posted by Zh|l
My fellow Planetarions,

Events within the universe have now reached the final days of decisions. For the entire round so far, Eclipse and other alliances have pursued patient and honourable efforts to rid our game of farming. The overall universe has supported efforts to rid ourselves of this threat to Planetarion. Our good faith has seemed to be for nought.

TeamPies has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has defied the general stance demanding a full end to farming. Over the last few weeks, PATeam inspectors have not been able to do their job in regards to this galaxy. They have hid behind anomolisiers and flaunted innocence. Peaceful efforts to stop their farming have failed again and again - because we are not dealing with honest men.

Intelligence gathered by this and other alliances leaves no doubt that TeamPies continues to farm and conceal illicit behaviour. This group of people has already used such 'weapons of mass farming' within Planetarion before. They have a history of bot usage, cheating and farming.

The danger is clear: using farming and other methods of cheating can fulfil their ambitions to win the round. Thousands of innocent players, hundreds of galaxies beaten by such a soulless galaxy.

Eclipse and other alliances did nothing to deserve or invite this threat. But we will do everything to defeat it. Instead of drifting along toward tragedy, we will set a course toward safety. Before the day of horror can come, before it is too late to act, this danger will be removed.

The Eclipse has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own security and ambitions. That duty falls to me, as a High Council member, by the loyalty I have sworn, by the promises I will keep.

Recognizing the threat to our alliance, the Eclipse High Council voted overwhelmingly to support the use of force against TeamPies. Under the Terms and Conditions for Planetarion - the Eclipse and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding the game of such cheats. This is not a question of authority, it is a question of will.

Today, no alliance can possibly claim that TeamPies has ceased its activity. And it will not do so for as long as Killmark holds power. Various alliances share our assessment of the danger, but not our resolve to meet it. Many alliances, however, do have the resolve and fortitude to act against this threat to the game, and a broad coalition is now gathering to enforce the demands of the game.

All the rounds of deceit and cheating have now reached an end. Killmark and his friends, 48:4 and whomever supports them, must surrender their asteroids and fleets within eight ticks. Their refusal to do so will result in further military conflict. For their own reputation and safety, all alliances who harbour TeamPies should kick them out immediately

Should Killmark choose confrontation, the community can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war, and every measure will be taken to win it. We understand the cost of conflict, because we have paid them in the past. War has no certainty, except the certainty of sacrifice.

If Killmark attempts to cling to power, he will remain a deadly foe to the end. In desperation, he and his collegues might try to conduct operations against Eclipse and our friends. These attacks are not inevitable. They are, however, possible. And this very fact underscores the reason we cannot live under the threat of blackmail. The bot/farming threat to Planetarion will be diminished the moment that Killmark and TeamPies are destroyed.

We are now acting because the risks of inaction would be far greater. In one week, or five weeks, the power of TeamPies to inflict harm on all honest alliances would be multiplied many times over. With these capabilities, Killmark and his weapons of mass cheating could choose the moment of deadly conflict when they are strongest. We choose to meet that threat now, where it arises, before it can appear suddenly in our galaxy status'.

Cheats do not reveal these threats with fair notice, in formal declarations - and responding to such enemies only after they have struck first is not self-defense, it is suicide. The security of the universe requires destroying Killmark and his galaxy now.

Many will believe we are doing this for the roids, but we believe the threat of Killmark overshadows any such greed. Their will be no half measures if Killmark chooses conflict.

This is the future we choose. To not harbour cheats within our block, nor defend their actions.

Good night, and may TeamPies feel the wrath of its actions.

arrogant asshole

[Salomo]

Originally posted by jornx
r3 fury tactics seem to be at work here again. Stagnation? Kick members out your alliance/powerblock and roid them

BS

(sorry, but that reference to r3 simply is BS :-/ )

[virogenesis]

09:54] <[DC]VIr> http://195.149.21.200/~paforum/showt...0&pagenumber=2 <-- can you post ur views on this please?
[09:57] <*****> 1. wp granted attack on 3 planets
[09:57] <*****> #4 #6 #10
[09:57] <*****> no others
[09:59] <[DC]VIr> ahhh
[09:59] <[DC]VIr> how many within the gal?
[10:00] <*****> have incomming?
[10:00] <*****> 7-8
[10:00] <*****> i think
[10:00] <[DC]VIr> ahhh soo they are hitting targets which have not been granted then
[10:01] <*****> correct
[10:01] <*****> and wp is not happy
[10:01] <*****> seeing as they are defending
[10:01] <[DC]VIr> ahhh

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Point 1 is kinda proven wrong & illogical...
You also said about rabba being closed but as we all know it seems to be reopened
Yes I did notice bout the speak & we did see a flaw but when you do something like this you rep your alliance & ppl will try to call your bluff..
You also said a WP officer came on the raid but...I bet they hit one of the nar..not the weet members..

Which makes the point that a WP officer coming on the raid rather illogical & pointless to me as they are both in different alliances which makes em game for hunting

[Kileman]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
I'd be willing to bet that either myself, Pies or MrPinky are better planet players than you, indeed not to mention fladnag or killmark.

*giggle* sure... I wouldnt have a feking clue how to manage a planet... or a galaxy, yet my planet is bigger than yours.

Originally posted by Teh_Necro

Although this could never be proven, as guess what, pa isnot about talent anymore.

Its about how many male organs u can suck.

Is this how your gal got to the top this round? I dont see any other plausable explanation.... oh apart from cheating ?

Killmark is a **** pa player... he cant even cheat good.
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VAPIR NO2

[Kileman]

Originally posted by sigrid
you adding the word hypocrites made me fall from my chair laughing

Did your weight break it?

I hope it hurt.

nublet.
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California dispensaries

[Veil05]

Originally posted by Kileman
Did your weight break it?

no your ego jumped out f the computer, and squashed it

[Kileman]

"It aint bragging if its true." - Muhammad Ali
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[BOB_LOST]

Originally posted by Kileman
"It aint bragging if its true." - Muhammad Ali

got to make up for your lil one dont u kile

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
Although this could never be proven, as guess what, pa isnot about talent anymore.

Its about how many male organs u can suck, and how sexy u can look on the forums.

-Necro

Stay off the forums and you should finish #1.

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by Synthetic_Sid
Stay off the forums and you should finish #1.

Sid NO!!!
You're gonna jynx Fur ... Eclipse this round

[Kileman]

heh
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Grape Ape

Originally posted by Psi_K
Sid NO!!!
You're gonna jynx Fur ... Eclipse this round

and you just jinxed tita ... Olympians

[MAdnRisKy]

It's about roids, and it's always been about roids, every attack is, whether it be to gain more, or to keep the ones you have (figure it out, but don't make a stupid comment and force me to explain that to you).

Eclipse think they have good reason to take these roids, but the only real reason they will is because they can, not because of any moral code. Neatly stacked in one place, with an air tight aliby. How... "convienient"

I can't believe that in this entire thread no-one has said that the only actual problem is that a vast quantity of these roids, were aquired in suspect circumstances in the first place.

No matter though, they'll soon be in "rightful", "just" hands, and the whole incident can be forgotten about, irrespective of the fact that just because third parties benifit from illegal roids, doesn't actually justify their presence in the general pool.

PA players, what a great collection of sheep and narrow minded twits. (and arrogant bastards I might add)

[Salomo]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
No matter though, they'll soon be in "rightful", "just" hands, and the whole incident can be forgotten about, irrespective of the fact that just because third parties benifit from illegal roids, doesn't actually justify their presence in the general pool.

PA players, what a great collection of sheep and narrow minded twits. (and arrogant bastards I might add)

hmmmm... ok, i thought about it a bit more and now completely agree with you. Eclipse should have simply deleted killmark and the other 48:4 cheats. Instead those hypocrites simply attacked and are hence co-farming since they're keeping those farmed roids in the game instead of deleting them (or at least attacking them and then deleting the planets they attacked with in order to get rid of the roids). Bad Eclipse!

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Salomo
hmmmm... ok, i thought about it a bit more and now completely agree with you. Eclipse should have simply deleted killmark and the other 48:4 cheats. Instead those hypocrites simply attacked and are hence co-farming since they're keeping those farmed roids in the game instead of deleting them (or at least attacking them and then deleting the planets they attacked with in order to get rid of the roids). Bad Eclipse!

heh, I agree. Now those roids who got attained by farming, it seems, are goin to eclipse. So what's the moral of all this? Eclipse takes roids from farmers and thus owns roids gathered by farming ...

way to go, hope you like those roids that should be deleted in the first place. Doin this is as hypocrit or as bad as farming itselves, you now only do it via via instead of directly.

rgds Kj

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by Synthetic_Sid
Stay off the forums and you should finish #1.

I preferd your posts when they were long drivel's of ****.

-Necro

[Kileman]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
I preferd your posts when they were long drivel's of ****.

-Necro

It seems you have confused Sid with yourself.
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Rhode island medical marijuana

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by Kileman
It seems you have confused Sid with yourself.

I fortunatley have hair

-Necro

[Salomo]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
heh, I agree. Now those roids who got attained by farming, it seems, are goin to eclipse. So what's the moral of all this? Eclipse takes roids from farmers and thus owns roids gathered by farming ...

way to go, hope you like those roids that should be deleted in the first place. Doin this is as hypocrit or as bad as farming itselves, you now only do it via via instead of directly.

rgds Kj

Let me introduce you to an old friend of mine, Kj...

Irony, this is Kj. Kj, that was Irony. Memorise his face well, you will stumble upon him more often on these boards and recognising him might help understand whats being said around here.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
I fortunatley have hair

-Necro

Yet no imagination to come up with something that can actually 'win' rather than old hashed 'insults'.

[BOB_LOST]

Originally posted by Zh|l
Yet no imagination to come up with something that can actually 'win' rather than old hashed 'insults'.

**** off ZHIL

i dont think its a real thread unless i curse u out in it atlest once

[MAdnRisKy]

Originally posted by Salomo
hmmmm... ok, i thought about it a bit more and now completely agree with you. Eclipse should have simply deleted killmark and the other 48:4 cheats. Instead those hypocrites simply attacked and are hence co-farming since they're keeping those farmed roids in the game instead of deleting them (or at least attacking them and then deleting the planets they attacked with in order to get rid of the roids). Bad Eclipse!

well just because Eclipse cannot delete them doesn't mean they have a right to claim them, and certainly their actions do not warrent the claiming of the moral high ground over it.

But I feel you have gone off on a tangent from my original meaning Sal. It was only my intention to point out how these actions by eclipse are both understandable and easily predicted based on the actions of those who have been in similar positions as them before. The discussions of the semantics are accademic points at best. I simply wished to point out that these occurances are nothing new, this is not a particularly commendable action on their part and that protesting anything to the contrary would be like the swallowing of the hook with the bait.

Now you're a smart fish, you can work out which is your real prey, and which are just the bubbles on the surface of the lake, I'm sure of this

[MAdnRisKy]

No as I was once a PA player, and used to attack from time to time, as I pointed out I attacked for roids, that being the only true motivation. what part didn't you get Germ?

[K-W]

The part where I didnt read your post properly

[Veil05]

Originally posted by Dreadnought!
and you just jinxed tita ... Olympians

it was funnyer the first time.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Veil05
it was funnyer the first time.

Your sig so sums up your bitterness and lack of credibility. Bravo.

PS: Got into that 'new alliance' yet? You know the one I mean.

[virogenesis]

tis a nice sig /me thinks in a sick warped\very twisted way.
Lets all dance like this :e_chick:

Originally posted by BOB_LOST
**** off ZHIL

i dont think its a real thread unless i curse u out in it atlest once

Here ladies and gentleman we have a species known as Homo Erutuscosaurs

[Salomo]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
well just because Eclipse cannot delete them doesn't mean they have a right to claim them, and certainly their actions do not warrent the claiming of the moral high ground over it.

If with "claim them" you mean attack them, then obviously they do have that right, since it's a war game etc. (But somehow i have the feeling thats not what you meant, so perhaps you can explain what you meant with "claim them").

Given that they are not dealing with cheats in their own ranks equally i tend to agree that their moral ground isn't particularly high, but it definetly isn't the morally corrupt abyss some people want to portray it as. In fact i would consider that attacking cheats in general is better than attacking non-cheats, but whether that's a question of morals probably is a matter of personal opinion.

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy

But I feel you have gone off on a tangent from my original meaning Sal. It was only my intention to point out how these actions by eclipse are both understandable and easily predicted based on the actions of those who have been in similar positions as them before. The discussions of the semantics are accademic points at best. I simply wished to point out that these occurances are nothing new, this is not a particularly commendable action on their part and that protesting anything to the contrary would be like the swallowing of the hook with the bait.

Now you're a smart fish, you can work out which is your real prey, and which are just the bubbles on the surface of the lake, I'm sure of this

That aspect of your post that i went off about simply was the most obviously wrong part of your post.

You assume that the attack on KM and his folks happened solely because of roids and base the rest of your post on that. I am rather convinced that even if Killmark had self-destroying roids that could not be captured he would have been attacked anyway if his galaxy was somewhere at the top. Perhaps the attack would have come at a later point, but it would have happened, simply because not everything is about roids. This is a matter of opinion though and hence not very suitable for debate. You base yours on general observations of PA, i base mine on the chats in private channels with the old 1:10 crew and friends (that contain two of the eclipse HCs). Who of us is right there will remain unknown as none of us can look into their minds.

Thus i focused on you pointing out that "the only actual problem is that a vast quantity of these roids, were aquired in suspect circumstances in the first place" and that the roids aren't cleaned of their farming origin by capturing them. That part of your post is wrong in its implications no matter what initial assumption you follow. It Implies that stealing roids from farmers is a problem, that it is wrong. It implies that people taking roids from farmers are co-farming. The only consequence from that would be to not attack farmers, which obviously would be the wrongest of choices as long as farmers aren't deleted.

[Sev]

From the point of view of someone who knows the people in 48:4 and some of the Eclipse HC quite well, I have to say this whole episode is pitiful beyond belief.

Rob's earlier post about the post being made in humour may well be true, but I'm sure that you know as well as anyone that the times for humour more or less ended the second PA became paying. It's a sad consequence of human nature, but surely you can Zhil are intelligent enough to realise it - which throws the whole "humourous" side of the post into dispute. Instead, this thread seems to very much had a different effect, even if I somehow doubt that is it an un-wanted one.

Another thing which I find saddening about planetarion is the simple shallowness that some people take on when looking at a situation. The number of people who, throughout this thread, have posted "It's Killmark. He must be cheating. Delete him", before looking at, for example, the fact that there are people in the gal who have reported him for cheating before, people with immaculate records, and as Fred said - the creators have kept a close watch, and repeatedly cleared them.
The fact that people will simply fall into a sort of mass-hysteria, fueled by nothing but a load of hot air, is well, another sad display of the short-comings of our species I suppose.

Although it is really too late to make a difference, I feel I should just make my point in defence of the galaxy. As someone who has played in a couple of Killmark's galaxies, I know extremely well what he has been upto, and I must admit that alot of the earlier (being in past rounds) have been fully justified.
This is not the case now.
Although I missed the first week or so of the round, I've had access to the gal room since then (for nostalgia's sake), and I must admit that it has so far been perfectly clean. Cleaner, dare I say, than the couple of rounds I spent in other people's gals - people who are now Eclipse HC's, among other things. I also know other people who are currently in Eclipse, who have in past round's told me of projects they were working on - all of which were aimed at achieving much the same as what Killmark's infamous bot did. The only difference was they lacked the technical expertise and ambition to bring it to fruition. The fact that there are people here, accusing people of cheating without any evidence to back it up, while I know them to be as bad as Killmark himself (in intention at least), seems to be hypocritcal beyond belief.

Enough rants about the failure's of humans, in all of their selfish, hypocritical hysterics. At least the Eclipse HC have had enough spine to admit this was about roids, even if they were required to get the public bloodthirsty before they started.

Sadly I can't imagine PA returning to the friendly community it was before. However, all the same, best of luck to those here to deserve it, even if there are only few who I still hold respect for.

[MAdnRisKy]

Originally posted by Salomo
If with "claim them" you mean attack them, then obviously they do have that right, since it's a war game etc. (But somehow i have the feeling thats not what you meant, so perhaps you can explain what you meant with "claim them").

Given that they are not dealing with cheats in their own ranks equally i tend to agree that their moral ground isn't particularly high, but it definetly isn't the morally corrupt abyss some people want to portray it as. In fact i would consider that attacking cheats in general is better than attacking non-cheats, but whether that's a question of morals probably is a matter of personal opinion.

oh dear, Sal those were bubbles....
Are you aware of the activities very common amongst the mafia?
The one to which I refer was something called "money laundering". If the roids were gained or aquired using illegal methods, then simply moving them onto another party only means that that party will eventually benifit from illegal activities. However you dress this up, or report that it is better than alternatives it is NOT a good thing, nor can it be commended. It is purely based on a selfish volition to aquire roids

That aspect of your post that i went off about simply was the most obviously wrong part of your post.

You assume that the attack on KM and his folks happened solely because of roids and base the rest of your post on that. I am rather convinced that even if Killmark had self-destroying roids that could not be captured he would have been attacked anyway if his galaxy was somewhere at the top. Perhaps the attack would have come at a later point, but it would have happened, simply because not everything is about roids. This is a matter of opinion though and hence not very suitable for debate. You base yours on general observations of PA, i base mine on the chats in private channels with the old 1:10 crew and friends (that contain two of the eclipse HCs). Who of us is right there will remain unknown as none of us can look into their minds.

Thus i focused on you pointing out that "the only actual problem is that a vast quantity of these roids, were aquired in suspect circumstances in the first place" and that the roids aren't cleaned of their farming origin by capturing them. That part of your post is wrong in its implications no matter what initial assumption you follow. It Implies that stealing roids from farmers is a problem, that it is wrong. It implies that people taking roids from farmers are co-farming. The only consequence from that would be to not attack farmers, which obviously would be the wrongest of choices as long as farmers aren't deleted.

Ahh but Sal, the only "correct" course of action is the deletion of those roids, simply moving them from place to place doesn't justify their existance, since they were first gathered in one place, and indeed the reason for their creation, was one which was illegal in both its motivation and its enactment.

No this attack was to put these roids in the hands of those capable of taking them, not to put an end to wrong doing, to "right the crime" if you like. This is not a new phenomenom, its very very old infact.

If attacking did not promote growth, no-one would do it. All the actions we see, the blocking, the powerblocking, the mixing of galaxies, it's all the evolution of stragegies designed to WIN. Attacking either increases your income, weakens another, or destroys their means of damaging your income. It IS all about the roids...


Now since you took the hook, let me feed you a line;

Eclipse are evil selfish war mongering twits, but very persuasive ones....

[Jonas]

so in the end, Eclipse are the ones who will have theese "farmed" roids?

[Razorback]

Originally posted by Jonas
so in the end, Eclipse are the ones who will have theese "farmed" roids?

Im afraid, all attacks on the gal were launched not by eclipse battlegroups but by weet gals, so infact the roids are spread over the whole weetblock and their respective gals.
Even non Weetmembers attacked and got roids there.

[Salomo]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
oh dear, Sal those were bubbles....
Are you aware of the activities very common amongst the mafia?
The one to which I refer was something called "money laundering". If the roids were gained or aquired using illegal methods, then simply moving them onto another party only means that that party will eventually benifit from illegal activities. However you dress this up, or report that it is better than alternatives it is NOT a good thing, nor can it be commended. It is purely based on a selfish volition to aquire roids

Ahh but Sal, the only "correct" course of action is the deletion of those roids, simply moving them from place to place doesn't justify their existance, since they were first gathered in one place, and indeed the reason for their creation, was one which was illegal in both its motivation and its enactment.

Oh dear MAd, either i've allways overestimated your inteligence or you are indeed simply trolling me here for some fun... But since i don't mind a little trolling now and then from the right persons i'll act as if you indeed didn't know better:

Organised Money laundering occurs in 3 stages usually: Aquisition, laundry, and reposession. Someone (or some organisation) illegally gains money, cleans it of it's origin, and then brings it back into official possession of the original owning entity. The key element here is that the original owner who illegally aquired it and the end-owner belong to the same entity/gang.

In the case at hand the original ower that illegally aquired the roids is not part of the gang possessing those roids in the end. Hence your comparison to mafia style money laundering is completely out of place.



You obviously are right in demanding the roids to be deleted instead of relocated, and you'll probably need to search an long time before you find someone other than another farmer who will seriously disagree with that. The problem at hand is not whether they should be deletd or not though, it is what to do when they aren't deleted.

Given the fact that they aren't deleted, there are two options: Leaving the roids with the person that illegally aquired them, and allowing him to continue reaping the harvests of his cheating, or stealing them and thus making his cheating futile. Which of the two would you prefer and why?

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy


No this attack was to put these roids in the hands of those capable of taking them, not to put an end to wrong doing, to "right the crime" if you like. This is not a new phenomenom, its very very old infact.

If attacking did not promote growth, no-one would do it. All the actions we see, the blocking, the powerblocking, the mixing of galaxies, it's all the evolution of stragegies designed to WIN. Attacking either increases your income, weakens another, or destroys their means of damaging your income. It IS all about the roids...

In reply to your third repition of "THEY ATTACKED ONLY FOR THE ROIDS!!!!" please read my last reply to you. I don't see much sense in repeating differing views on unproovable things to each other again and again, but feel free to continue repeating this and look at my initial reply to that each time you do (at least if you want a reply to it and are not simply repeating it because you like the look of the words).

[MAdnRisKy]

Originally posted by Salomo
"You have sunk my battle ships, you SINKER!"

[Salomo]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy

???

[MAdnRisKy]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
...would be like the swallowing of the hook with the bait... ...let me feed you a line....

Originally posted by Salomo
"You have sunk my battle ships, you SINKER!"

Sorry, but you should never underestimate the stupid :/