Disgrace?

[KeyStroke]

What a disgrace Planetarion turned out to be. I dont talk about how Planetarion changed, the game is better now imho in many ways, but talking about the players. People still play like there is a huge game universe out there. They find the smallest guys they can pick on and then hit em. Ive been in the recieving end of such before so not so bothered with it, but what do you think the few new players who actually start play think? Planetarion have what? some 2000+ paid accounts or something, how many of these still play active? Do a friggin educated guess... not many, and fewever day by day. Some galaxies have like 30-40 incoming fleets each morning over and over. One after the other these galaxies turn dead and wasted. I wonder what is the point? The more recent momments will be remembered when the funeral of Planetarion finally take place. And all I can think of is what a disgrace it all turned out to be.

Flame me do whatever, but truth to be told; you dont really believe there will be more rounds of Planetarion after this round?

[Kal]

I agree that its a problem, but certainly some alliances do have to hit small targets to cater for their small members. Of course though they will also be hititng bigger targets as well. Th eproblem really is that things are so competitive, people need roids badly at this stage of the game, and the easiest way is form attacking small targets. I mean i'm over 500k value and generall atm I attack 2 300k targets per night. This way I tend to get in at least 60 roids per day normally closer to 100. I would like to be able to hit bigger targets as I would gain more score that way, but I simply can;t do that without taking high losses. Sure I could team up, but then i'd have to share the roids with others. Its not that we bash small players on purpose (or at least i hope not) its just the only way to stay competitive.

[Killerbij]

I agree; even I have to attack smaller players just to make sure I dont take losses I cant compensate for. Maybe if the eta was higher to smaller players I'd have to reconsider but now there is no other real option.

[Kal]

its an interesitng universe idea though... have a flat universe for defence, but have attack eta increase with the size difference between attacker and his target - unrealistic but interesting.

I have to say I don;t think that many alliances are purposefully bashing... sure there is a war on atm so targets to get bashed... but i'd like to think that they are importnat stregic targets...

[Jackal2112]

Actually, attacking small targets is crap.

I rather hit targets with 600 roids so I can grow bigger.

It's just unskilled bashers who attack small ppl with 3 fleets. bleg. go be ashamed.

Anyways, shouldn't this be on PD instead of AD (no flame intended)?

[Kal]

u can only hit bigger targets if u have a highly specific fleet i.e. all one class etc. I would love to hit bigger targets myself, but my current fleet simply doesn't allow for that.

and yes it probably should be on PD

[KeyStroke]

One thing is for sure.. There wont be any glory to harvest for the winners of this round of PA, if the round will complete at all...
All lose out anyway you see it.

[Jackal2112]

Well, its about chosing how to setup ur fleet. I made it so i scare away 2 types of ships, 1 a little, and roid best with 1. It's a give and take thing between attack and defense balance.. for the rest of the defense u have to rely on activity and your alliance m8s.

[Jackal2112]

Originally Posted by KeyStroke

One thing is for sure.. There wont be any glory to harvest for the winners of this round of PA, if the round will complete at all...
All lose out anyway you see it.

That isn't completely true.

Every round of PA has seen a decline of active players since ~r5-6. If what you say is true the winners of any of these rounds have harvested no glory. There is always glory to harvest, in any round, with any number of players, just that it's a relative glory. It's easier to dominate in a smaller universe ofcourse..

[Guran]

Originally Posted by KeyStroke

One thing is for sure.. There wont be any glory to harvest for the winners of this round of PA, if the round will complete at all...
All lose out anyway you see it.

That's bull****. Just because you're pissed off that bigger guys have attacked you or you have witnessed others doing the same, does not mean everyone does that. I attack more or less equal sized or bigger planets every night.....because I can. You're generalizing without anything to back it up with.

[Goatsemaster]

I agree with Keystroke. We all know there was never any bashing before p2p cut down the number of players so drastically.

[Kal]

the problem is that if an alliance gives all its gals and the gals of its allies full arbiter protection that actually leaves very few targets, so alliances have to multiwave of attack the same targets everynight. There is really nothing that can be done about it... unless someone can magically double or tripple the size of the universe.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Part of the problem is the game model, which relies on huge numbers of players.

[KeyStroke]

Originally Posted by Guran

That's bull****. Just because you're pissed off that bigger guys have attacked you or you have witnessed others doing the same, does not mean everyone does that. I attack more or less equal sized or bigger planets every night.....because I can. You're generalizing without anything to back it up with.

I believe the amount of incoming fleets on my ickle galaxy each morning speak for itself. I experienced losts of incoming in earlier rounds, but nothing like this. Heck, one in my galaxy had 6 waves on him here the other day. Im not that pissed off over being attacked, I just think its a disgrace how its turned out.

[Cochese]

With so few players, you need alternative means of growth besides roids (and planetary mines which are useless). The new score system is not the solution, either.

Then again, if we delve into the possibilities, we'll end up with great ideas that would be poorly implemented--and end up right back at square one.

[evil one]

I've never had more than 3 waves combined with a fleetcatch . You ppl make me jealous!

[MrL_JaKiri]

In r7, I was attacked by what appeared to be all Wenx in C23 (and quite a bit from outside it) over a three day period.

[KeyStroke]

Originally Posted by ******master

I agree with Keystroke. We all know there was never any bashing before p2p cut down the number of players so drastically.

No bashing? OMG what world do you belong too? There have always been bashing more or less, but not like how it is now. And this round I know about LOTS of players who actually paid but isnt playing active or not playing at all. I dont know why people like to throw their money out of the window, but obviously they do.

[MrL_JaKiri]

I think that was sarcasm dear.

[Lerxst]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Part of the problem is the game model, which relies on huge numbers of players.

[pablissimo]

Originally Posted by KeyStroke

No bashing? OMG what world do you belong too? There have always been bashing more or less, but not like how it is now. And this round I know about LOTS of players who actually paid but isnt playing active or not playing at all. I dont know why people like to throw their money out of the window, but obviously they do.

This reply amused me.

[Backbone]

Originally Posted by KalVirtus

the problem is that if an alliance gives all its gals and the gals of its allies full arbiter protection that actually leaves very few targets, so alliances have to multiwave of attack the same targets everynight. There is really nothing that can be done about it... unless someone can magically double or tripple the size of the universe.

then don't block fs. My gal had a 3-wave attack last night by the guys that hit us 5 times already - What you say is just other words for ' We blocked and now we have no targets left'

[Kal]

my alliance has not allied with anyone and in this small universe i still have problems finding us GOOD targets, and by good i eman oens thta stand out fomr the rest as having more roids.... and becuase of this we do keep hitting the same galaxies, although we are now making a concious effort to avoid doing that

[AllFather|away]

Incoming Fleets (Me) 
Fleet Location Target (eta) Mission Primary Secondary Ships 
Attack -- -- 940 
Attack -- -- 486 
Attack -- -- 380 
Attack -- -- 1800 
Attack -- -- 100 
Attack -- -- 905 
Attack -- -- 500 
Attack -- -- 435 
Attack -- -- 73 
Attack -- -- 216 
Attack -- -- 450 
Attack -- -- 399 
Attack -- -- 1186

that´s me (17:5:8).
Wonder why they have sutch overkill though, wont get that mutch roids. Could be to kill the fleet, but who cares, i havent launched a single fleet all round, and wont either.1-2 times of logging in a week is more then anough

and im not even in the "war". ie solo

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by AllFather|away

Wonder why they have sutch overkill though, wont get that mutch roids. Could be to kill the fleet, but who cares, i havent launched a single fleet all round, and wont either.1-2 times of logging in a week is more then anough

and im not even in the "war". ie solo

Maybe they just really hate you?

[AllFather|away]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Maybe they just really hate you?

but im such a cute

[Ohm]

Allfather :

The attack on your galaxy was a coincidence. I searched for a suitable target and ended at your galaxy.

Then approx 19 fleets were launched against the whole gal, some with one tick and some with 3 ticks.

What I dindnt know at the time was that someone else was attacking your gal as well. If I had known I would never had launched, and when I see the total outcome I wish we had called off the attack.

I am personally sorry for the destruction of your galaxy and planet, it is not my policy to ruin anyones game. Thats why I never attack in pairs or encurage such attacks.

I know that you have been in a great alliance that dominated the game for a long time, and it makes me wonder if you had known back then what you have seen today.......would you have incuraged the kind of bashing your alliance and block were so famous for back then ?

Anyway
rl>pa

[W]

Don't ever attack me or I will quit and load you down with guilt.

[AllFather|away]

Originally Posted by Ohm

Allfather :

The attack on your galaxy was a coincidence. I searched for a suitable target and ended at your galaxy.

Then approx 19 fleets were launched against the whole gal, some with one tick and some with 3 ticks.

What I dindnt know at the time was that someone else was attacking your gal as well. If I had known I would never had launched, and when I see the total outcome I wish we had called off the attack.

I am personally sorry for the destruction of your galaxy and planet, it is not my policy to ruin anyones game. Thats why I never attack in pairs or encurage such attacks.

I know that you have been in a great alliance that dominated the game for a long time, and it makes me wonder if you had known back then what you have seen today.......would you have incuraged the kind of bashing your alliance and block were so famous for back then ?

Anyway
rl>pa

didnt ruin my game, today was the first time i logged in for about 4 days

[vent]

ah quit moaning, get another 9million inactive players and all will be good.

[Bashar]

I think the main problem is that too many people whinge about "the good old days". PA is becoming a pensioners outing. If less people moaned all the time, the mood would be much less sombre, and people would be happier. The simple fact is, this is a war game, people are going to get killed/maimed/eaten/etc. I don't think the problem is the community in-game, I think it is the communiy out-game. All the constant moaning can't set a good impression, and the elitism can't help either. If people were more friendly and cheerful, it would be a much more pleasant place to be.

[mist]

Originally Posted by Kal

the problem is that if an alliance gives all its gals and the gals of its allies full arbiter protection that actually leaves very few targets, so alliances have to multiwave of attack the same targets everynight. There is really nothing that can be done about it... unless someone can magically double or tripple the size of the universe.

you could make the alliances smaller.

oh, wait, that would be dumb...

[I am Idler]

I challenge you all to find one game in the history of evolution that did not have smaller players on the receiving end

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by KeyStroke

What a disgrace Planetarion turned out to be. I dont talk about how Planetarion changed, the game is better now imho in many ways, but talking about the players. People still play like there is a huge game universe out there. They find the smallest guys they can pick on and then hit em. Ive been in the recieving end of such before so not so bothered with it, but what do you think the few new players who actually start play think? Planetarion have what? some 2000+ paid accounts or something, how many of these still play active? Do a friggin educated guess... not many, and fewever day by day. Some galaxies have like 30-40 incoming fleets each morning over and over. One after the other these galaxies turn dead and wasted. I wonder what is the point? The more recent momments will be remembered when the funeral of Planetarion finally take place. And all I can think of is what a disgrace it all turned out to be.

Flame me do whatever, but truth to be told; you dont really believe there will be more rounds of Planetarion after this round?

This was posted in October 2003. Since that time we've had three rounds of Planetarion I think. Good prediction skillz!

[Troglodyte]

It seems things dont change. One common tactic is, Bash the entire Gal and then use them as farms afterwards, waiting for the inactives to pop-up(is inevitable after bashing) is even better.

I still think the idea of once you have attacked a planet (or maybe enen an alliance... hmmm)you have to wait a set amount of ticks before you can attack them again. (it got declined, but i still think it was a good solution to continual bashing *shrug*)

Sorry for the repeated use of brackets

OR (copy and paste monster)

I really like the idea of honourable and dis-honourable attacks (wakey's idea)

If you have Honourable attacks, you ship stats improve,
if you have dis-honourable attacks, your ship stats worsten. (should stop bashing or attaking the lil ppl)

[JC]

Stop bumping threads that are years old please. If you want to discuss a problem make a new thread that is more relevant.