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Unread 23 Dec 2004, 15:15   #1
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Opera 8 Beta is out

Yup, that's right, Opera 8 is upon us. The additions to Opera 7.54, which were supposed to result in Opera 7.60 were so numerous that, combined with the fact the program core has been receiving so many upgrades that it is quite different from Opera 7's original, Opera Software decided to go for a logical major release, instead of a minor one.

And the best news is that users who registered Opera 7 will not have to purchase a new registration for Opera 8. Additionally, one license now lets you install as many copies of Opera at home as you wish, rather than the previous license purchase required per platform.

Final release is scheduled for Early 2005, as per Opera's WIR (When It's Ready) policy.

You can pluck the beta from http://www.opera.com, changelog can be found here.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

yeah, but firefox is better.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

:'(

i wasnt troolling, i was stating an opinion!

and i may or may not have had 8 pints over lunch.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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opera is bloatware and it sucks.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

A mate of mine has recently been employed by Opera. And he is a linux geek.
So there.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

Oh noes, no another Opera vs Firefox debate

Leshy - is it noticeably better? Worth getting?
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

yes leshy - is it worth upgrading to? because 7.6 had a lot of bugs (i realise it wasnt a final release)
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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yes leshy - is it worth upgrading to? because 7.6 had a lot of bugs (i realise it wasnt a final release)
I personally keep the strategy of relying on final releases - currently still Opera 7.54u1, for my main browsing and work. So if you are wondering whether you should default to Opera 8 Beta for main browsing, I would say "no, wait for Opera 8 to be released".

If you want to play around with a new version that offers all kinds of goodies - read the changelog to see if there's anything in there that you find appealing (personally I think the new Start Bar rocks quite a tad - it's an extra toolbar that pops up under the address field when you select it. It can contain pretty much anything, by default it has a Top10 dropdown list of sites you visit, I've added quick links to a few forums I frequent on it. I can literally make a mouse gesture and click to go to forums now, without having to sacrifice any screen real estate, yay).

It's only been out shortly, so I can't say whether it's more stable than 7.6p4
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i'm sorry, you appear to be confusing with me one of your minions.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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If you want to play around with a new version that offers all kinds of goodies - read the changelog to see if there's anything in there that you find appealing (personally I think the new Start Bar rocks quite a tad -
thing i liked most about 7.6 (though never tried it) was the fact that errors didnt pop up and force you to acknowledge them like they used to (apparently). They are supposedly more discreet.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

but is it art ?











































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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

Who gives a shit? It's like saying a pre-modded car is better than one you can customise yourself - and customing something = more expensive (in Firefox's case, more time consuming) so your rolls for argument about features & shit = pointless - O NO YOU'RE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO INSTALL A PLUGIN OR 2 - HOLY SHIT THE WORLD'S GOING TO DIE.

Firefox RC1 was released ages ago.

Lastly, if Opera > Firefox, I'm sure more users would use it...but...they don't
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LAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR LA LA LA LAL LA LA I sing in the Opera

I use Opera

what's the difference? None - both sound like shit
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i''m entirely aware of what you were trying to do.

you just happen to be wrong, which i'm entirely aware is something you'll never admit.
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thing i liked most about 7.6 (though never tried it) was the fact that errors didnt pop up and force you to acknowledge them like they used to (apparently). They are supposedly more discreet.
They've now made error messages inline, rather than modal. Basically it means that if you can't find a page, you get a nice error on the page itself, rather than as a dialog box.

And yes, that does save a lot of hassle
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

I use opera at home, but firefox at work, as it uses less of the paltry 128Mb of RAM I have there (it used to only be 64 until it was noticed that it meant that IE loaded really slowly and I have to use that for work).

I prefer opera.I just found out today firefox wouldnt let me move tabs about after I closed one by accident and wanted it back where it was before.
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i''m entirely aware of what you were trying to do.
Yes, you fooled me with your cunning ploy of pretending to get the wrong end of the stick. Boy is egg on my face!

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you just happen to be wrong, which i'm entirely aware is something you'll never admit.
Ah, this is one of THOSE arguments is it. Just like your 'Evolution is incorrect, and I have secret evidence why that I'm not going to tell you!'

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wow, it's like a compliment but not.

i didn't pretend anything, I can't help it if you write ambigously.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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i didn't pretend anything, I can't help it if you write ambigously.
Help me through your chain of thought here.

I post something.

You reply to a misinterpretation of that post.

I say you've misinterpreted it, and give the correct interpretation.

You said you knew the correct interpretation.*

I said that you must have wilfully misinterpreted first time round.

You say you didn't.

The only conclusion is that at the *, you were either lying, or had reread my comment between the time you posted your first one and I posted my second one, and had reinterpreted it. The trouble with the latter is that you hadn't changed your original post to reflect this, so the latter interpretation may be discarded.

That still doesn't change the fact that you still haven't posted the thread on why evolution is wrong, despite saying you'd do it, and this has been the case for months if not years: I forget when you first posted this allegation.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

the only conclusion if you refuse to accept that any intrepretation other than your own is right you mean.

why dont -you- start a thread on evolution, since it bothers you so much.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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I just found out today firefox wouldnt let me move tabs about after I closed one by accident and wanted it back where it was before.
There is a plugin to let you do this (been out for a long time)

- If you have Firefox PR

- If you have Firefox RC1

If the RC1 link doesn't work go to http://v2studio.com/k/moz/ then find the miniT link and install it - Firefox is likely to not allow the pop-up to appear so simply add it to your allowed sites tempoarily
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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There is a plugin to let you do this (been out for a long time)

- If you have Firefox PR

- If you have Firefox RC1

If the RC1 link doesn't work go to http://v2studio.com/k/moz/ then find the miniT link and install it - Firefox is likely to not allow the pop-up to appear so simply add it to your allowed sites tempoarily

What if you have Firefox 1.0?
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Lastly, if Opera > Firefox, I'm sure more users would use it...but...they don't
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Obviously Internet Explorer is 3x better than Firefox.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

newsbot3, you're embarrassingly wrong here. Please don't make yourself look more foolish.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Oh and refreshing pages everytime you click back? Wtf is up with that?
That is pretty much the main reason I prefer Opera over every other browser.

If I click back I want to go BACK to what I was looking at. Do not make assumptions that I want you to reload the page for me. Thanks.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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I hadn't seen that update.

I'm going back to firefox (for some things anyways)
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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Still, Firefox is slower than both Opera and IE. Oh and refreshing pages everytime you click back? Wtf is up with that?
I notice no difference anymore on my PC - but then again, my PC isn't full of ad-ware shit, has lots of RAM & is O/C'ed so it's like VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

Refreshing pages? Guess it must be your PC again as I don't get that - depends on how big your cache probably is as images won't just load 'just like that' - also other settings such as whether your ISP has a proxy server that caches info. is another factor - many ISP's are doing this as part of bundles. Also depends on how many processes you have running, how much memory etc. but mainly cache size allowance.

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What if you have Firefox 1.0?
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Obviously Internet Explorer is 3x better than Firefox.
Obviously you're wrong.
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but mainly cache size allowance.
No, Firefox by default sends an HTTP header to check if a requested file has been modified, and if it has, it retrieves the updated page. Whereas several people would rather have Firefox grab the page from cache in it's unmodified state.
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Oh right silly me Leshy - because the .exe I downloaded which stated RC1 works with all the extensions posted under "Firefox 1.0" (which the Mozilla site automatically detects which browser you're using). Ah well
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RC2 has now turned into Fx 1.1 which should be out in the next quarter
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I wonder if IE7 will be releasd before opera reaches double figures.
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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There is a plugin to let you do this (been out for a long time)

- If you have Firefox PR

- If you have Firefox RC1

If the RC1 link doesn't work go to http://v2studio.com/k/moz/ then find the miniT link and install it - Firefox is likely to not allow the pop-up to appear so simply add it to your allowed sites tempoarily
Ah-hah, thanks for that I did spend a while going through the plugins looking for ones that I would like but must have missed that one. I shall sort it out when I am at work tomorrow (sassn frassn christmas eve working )
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

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I wonder if IE7 will be releasd before opera reaches double figures.
There already is IE7, man.
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Does Opera have that? No.
you mean you have something similar to this?
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

What's with the shit theme?
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Re: Opera 8 Beta is out

I started using firefox the other day after I deleted IE off my computer. So far it's not exactly "done much" but then again I suppose I don't use my browser for any super funky things so I guess I don't really need whatever heightened capabilities it offers.
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