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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 22:46   #1
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People stirring up trouble

I got this rep today

"Shut up retard - Yahwe"

now, normally i would write this off as yahwe being rude, as we all know he can be. I would be a little annoyed, perhaps question him about the brusqueness of it all, etc.

however, the blob is grey, rather than red, so i can only assume that it is someone with little or no rep who is simply trying to stir up trouble. This kind of thing is surely not much good, and certainly not "the done thing". It all adds to the file for further indictment of the rep system, which should go for a number of reasons. Not least that I am only on 4000 and that makes me sad

anyway, anyone going to admit to it?

pre edit: thought not

P.S i suppose its fairly likely that i'll get neg repped for whining about the rep system; if you were only considering doing it, but havent actually done so yet, let me make up your mind for you:

You're an idiot
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 22:50   #2
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I think for those who are impotent rep-wise who are shooting blanks if there could be an indication of what it SHOULD be, whether it is pos or neg reap as some people leave no message and it interests me.
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 22:53   #3
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the whole idea is shite
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 22:56   #4
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now some of us have passed 10k, it's game over and should be removed
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 23:22   #5
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Re: People stirring up trouble

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now some of us have passed 10k, it's game over and should be removed
Yes, but i heard why you are there. What with your "pact" to pos rep each other with flavius and some other folk. I quite like you, but **** me that isnt half for faggots, seriously.


The rep system has indeed been a huge failure. If everyone knew who repped each other, it would

a/ Encourage people to think about the concequences of repping someone

b/ Encourage flaming, ie, good banter.


Another thing, i havent counted HOW many green blobs it is, but everyone above (i presume around) 1000 has the same number of green blobs. Why ****ing have them if they are so ****ing useless, seriously? Only the newest or shittest posters have red, or a small number or green blobs.

Or how about theres no way of "sorting by reputation" in the search users? There says there is, but nope. What about the fact that "whos online" is now disabled so you cant guess who is neg repping you? Were not here to protect identities, **** sake.

Seriously though, the whole thing is a failure. I-X has shown its a complete joke, deliberately or otherwise and after a significant amount of time, the cream hasnt risen to the top. There is absolutely no way the best poster on these boards is Marilyn Manson, seriously.
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 23:26   #6
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Almost all of mine are for individual posts, where someone either agreed with something I said or found it funny. There was a small rep abuse problem in the early days but I was never a part of it, and I resent the implication that I was. Find old threads from when it was made public, and I'm pretty sure you'll find something from me condemning it
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 23:42   #7
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Re: People stirring up trouble

deffeh in being angry about the internet shocker :-(((
(oh and why did you neg rep me for a post i made in 2002?)

back to point :

the anonymity thing was put in place because noone wouldve used it otherwise. it was tried with no anonymity and it didnt work. because theres no comprimise it was the lesser of two crap selections (ideally you should be able to tick a box saying 'anonymous' or whatever)
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 23:45   #8
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The only thing people had problems with was that past rep was no longer anonymus which is still shit - if you had something to say then, you should have something to say now.
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Re: People stirring up trouble

Recently I've been getting neg-reps for either:

a) using Opera
b) my taste in music
c) for making a useful suggestion to Dace (which he took)

99% left with no names.

I agree with 1-X, Embroglio and Deffeh. It's a sham and a failure really. Take it off.
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deffeh in being angry about the internet shocker :-(((
(oh and why did you neg rep me for a post i made in 2002?)

back to point :

the anonymity thing was put in place because noone wouldve used it otherwise. it was tried with no anonymity and it didnt work. because theres no comprimise it was the lesser of two crap selections (ideally you should be able to tick a box saying 'anonymous' or whatever)
You see, youve just made yourself look like an idiot by proving my point

You only know it was me that neg repped you for a post in 2002 because you used your admin skills. The day i neg repped everyone for old posts we were on #forums showing old "vintage" threads, and i signed them "Dr Who".

I'm angry about everything, the only problem is you still think its a gimmick rather than an attitude. At the very least sort out the ****ing blobs, jesus christ.
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Jesus Christ cannot save this thread from an onslaught of anonymous negrep!
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Jesus Christ cannot save this thread from an onslaught of anonymous negrep!
I would think he has more important things to do.
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i wholeheartedly expect to be negged to ****ing hell, which will ironically make me feel better because itll vindicate my "people are idiots" theory
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i wholeheartedly expect to be negged to ****ing hell, which will ironically make me feel better because itll vindicate my "people are idiots" theory
I'm pretty sure this ones been proved already.
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i wholeheartedly expect to be negged to ****ing hell, which will ironically make me feel better because itll vindicate my "people are idiots" theory
surely thats the kind of theory you don't want to be proven? Unless you are some megolamaniac type person who wants to conquer the world or something

the lack of positivity amongst and faith in the rest of the population found within intelligent people upsets me
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Re: People stirring up trouble

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the lack of positivity amongst and faith in the rest of the population found within intelligent people upsets me
Some people think there is intelligent life on other planets.

I'm still waiting to find it on this one.
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Unread 29 Aug 2005, 01:08   #19
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Re: People stirring up trouble

what sort of world are you ****ing living in, seriously? I bet you believe that "everyone has a chance if they merely apply themselves", too.

People are fundamentallly complete ****ing arseholes. Its easy to be fooled otherwise because everyone (even me) harbours a desire for some sort of social interaction, be it conversation, or intercourse. It doesnt change the fact that no one really cares about owt you say unless it concerns them.

Distrusting people is a very sensible way to go. If you dont play with fire, you dont get burned. If you dont expect anything, youll never be dissapointed. I am constantly ****ing enraged by people who think either a positive attitude or a better outlook or whatver will make you less poor / more happy / more content.
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deffeh in being angry about the internet shocker :-(((
(oh and why did you neg rep me for a post i made in 2002?)

back to point :

the anonymity thing was put in place because noone wouldve used it otherwise. it was tried with no anonymity and it didnt work. because theres no comprimise it was the lesser of two crap selections (ideally you should be able to tick a box saying 'anonymous' or whatever)
can we have it turned back on now so we can see who neg reped us? for greater comedy etc
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You see, youve just made yourself look like an idiot by proving my point

You only know it was me that neg repped you for a post in 2002 because you used your admin skills. The day i neg repped everyone for old posts we were on #forums showing old "vintage" threads, and i signed them "Dr Who".

I'm angry about everything, the only problem is you still think its a gimmick rather than an attitude. At the very least sort out the ****ing blobs, jesus christ.

my admin skills involving me clicking the usercp button and it being there right before my eyes in black and white in a little column.....

ill take a screenshot if you want.
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if i am forced, i i were forced i should say, to talk about the rep system (which has always seemed silly to me) then i would point out the tyranny of post counts.

a huge post count gives you massive power to alter other peoples rep. on what basis? you spam a lot?
that gives the 'old school' an appalling influence over the new. (and this is not self interest i would point out since i am a higher than average poster with over 3,000 posts in less than a year)

i can see the justification for rep points increasing your rep power but not post count.

of course i would also point out that since mods can see who neg reps them, no one, no real members, will neg rep mods (except deffeh when he sees red). mods get more rep altering power just because they are mods. that is all mods of all forums.

yet somehow...

... somehow only mm has any rep to speak of among the mods. heh. i do have to smirk at the fact that while no one may be brave enough to neg rep the mods. no one seems to pos rep them either. despite their efforts to protect themselves, like petty little dictators or corrupt small town policemen. heh
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I pos rep and neg rep as i please. I have pos rep and neg repped you and signed both. I have pos repped and neg repped manson and signed each. Your arrogance never fails to astound me, how you can wonderfully dismiss people and trends, mock others for free speech, and try and claim some sort of social-contract monopoly on the boards.
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what sort of world are you ****ing living in, seriously?
A much more enjoyable one than you
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Re: People stirring up trouble

we're an oligarchy, so what.

generally, I don't neg rep, unless you've really been shit. It takes a lot.

If i like a post, i'll rep it.

If people are cocks enough to abuse the system, we might as well get rid of it, as tbh half of it doesn't mean shit if there are people faggotish enough to agree to rep each other.
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I too got the "retard" neutral/rep. I found it rather accurate, however, as a retard I didn't understand the "shut up" part.

The rep system is mildly amusing. I would suggest that it be reset to 0. It would be more interesting to know what a persons average score per rep was. It would mean somehow keeping track of the number of posts once rep points were zeroed out. An example would be that someone with 4,200 rep points and 700 posts would have a 6.0 rating. And maybe your rating would only be based on your last 6 months of posts or last 1,000 posts or some such. Probably a pain to set up but it would be interesting. 1 blob for each .5 of rating with no maximum on the number of blobs?
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At this point I'd support introducing visible rep for the simple reason that we haven't had it yet and new things are fun.

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... somehow only mm has any rep to speak of among the mods. heh. i do have to smirk at the fact that while no one may be brave enough to neg rep the mods. no one seems to pos rep them either. despite their efforts to protect themselves, like petty little dictators or corrupt small town policemen. heh
What am I, invisible?
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Another thing, i havent counted HOW many green blobs it is, but everyone above (i presume around) 1000 has the same number of green blobs. Why ****ing have them if they are so ****ing useless, seriously? Only the newest or shittest posters have red, or a small number or green blobs.
its 11

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That was hardly the point.
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Re: People stirring up trouble

i find the whole system kind of useless. if you dont like what someone said, press the quote-button and tell the guy what you dont like about it. that way he is at least able to reply to it.
as an alternative, stop signing them. i never (or almost never) sign mine and that even though i never negrepped anyone. yes, if you negrepp someone and sign it, it means that you stand by that (either that or that someone else did it). if you posrep someone and sign it it just looks like you want that person to posrep you aswell. thats hardly the point of the system, is it? it turns it just into another, private forum in which you cant even reply.
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just banned the fella for great justice
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Re: People stirring up trouble

Well I make my point again. We should abolish the poster rep system and undertake a thread rating system instead. Ergo don't punnish the poster for being a shit person, punnish the thread for being a shit post.
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I'd agree with that if the threads were what was responsible for making shit posts. I do think it helps when decent posters see that they are accepted through the rep system and for me this counter-balances the negative of shit posters becoming annoyed at having their shitness pointed out to them.
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I just don't see the point of thread ratings. Most of the football threads are probably 'good' if you're interested in football. I'm sure all of the physics threads are interesting and 'good' but I know shit all about physics and if I wanted to find out I wouldn' t do it on an internet forum. What would the ratings actually do? Am I wildly missing the point?

Re the rep system, more than anything I have found it interesting to see who reps for what. I'd say 95% of my rep has been signed, neg rep is more commonly not signed than positive. It also seems that the same people rep me quite often - and these are people I don't particularly know so I assume they just like my posting for whatever reason. Most of my rep has come from either jokey posts or my occasional rantings. It would be nice if people would sign their rep, I don't see the point of it otherwise, although I am more interested in the comment - why do you think it's a good/shit post? Or are you just repping me because you like/dislike my taste in music?

Re repping the mods. It's scarily true - I don't recall ever repping a mod either +ive or -ive. I probably have I just can't remember. I'm pretty sure I have never repped JJ but then I have made my feelings pretty clear about him and I don't see the point. I don't think I have ever repped MM. I don't recall seeing a single post of his that stood out enough to be repped. I rep rarely and only when I REALLY think it's deserved. Unless I'm drunk - then I possibly rep at random.

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Re: People stirring up trouble

i think thread ratings wouldnt work here. most threads dont stay longer than a day or so. if a thread has a few pages of replies (and no football-tag ) you can guess there is something interesting inside as it is.
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I want to be able to pos rep Dante for his LiveJournal. Make it so.
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if you posrep someone and sign it it just looks like you want that person to posrep you aswell. thats hardly the point of the system, is it? it turns it just into another, private forum in which you cant even reply.
I don't think thats true, i sign all mine, and i dont expect to get rep back from people just because i rep them. There are people ive repped who have never repped me back, and vice versa. Its not an issue, its just the way it is.
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Ok - who the **** just repped me with 'girl on the internet'


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I sign all my reps - positive and negative, although there are a few in the latter category. However, I can understand why people don't, given that I've been neg repped straight back because they disagree with why I neg repped.
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Re: People stirring up trouble

I agree with Deffeh and Yahwe (hurrah).

1. The idea that post counts influence rep so heavily is stupid - quality not quantity.

2. I think reps should be revealed, and people get less worried that if they neg-rep someone, then that person will neg-rep back. People getting personal and returning reps is faggy (both for positive and negative) in a "wow you repped me so i'll rep you way" - i mean come on, that's not what it's for.

3. The thing Deffeh mentioned before with 1-X, Flavius and a few others just repping each other in a group is pretty gay too. It's not a competition of "who can get the most green blobs?! Gotta catch 'em all!". It's pretty immature too


Anyway, we all know this thread will have more discussions about reps, and then we'll stay with what the current situation is... again. It's what always happens.
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Re: 3.
I'm pretty sure 1-X wasn't involved in it. 1-X ahs such high rep because he is very useful/helpful, cracks corny jokes, does some photoshopping and also, probably, because he happens to give out a lot of rep.
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Thank you Stew and damn you Tomkat

Tomkat made the thread exposing it at the time.

He posted the messages he'd received inviting him to join, and naming those involved (with the names blanked out) so he knows I wasn't on them.

The rep system may be insignificant but the lie that I'd cheat to get some harms my real (well, internet) reputation.
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Oh, that's true actually. I remember now.

Sorry 1-X
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I can't believe people actually give a shit either way.
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I`m fair when it comes to repping. I always sign my name; except in one person case where I was annoyed, and probably still am; I know who the good guys are. Cheers X-1.
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of course i would also point out that since mods can see who neg reps them, no one, no real members, will neg rep mods (except deffeh when he sees red). mods get more rep altering power just because they are mods. that is all mods of all forums.

yet somehow...

... somehow only mm has any rep to speak of among the mods. heh. i do have to smirk at the fact that while no one may be brave enough to neg rep the mods. no one seems to pos rep them either. despite their efforts to protect themselves, like petty little dictators or corrupt small town policemen. heh
Oh do shut up, would you?
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My reds are longer than your "E-penis"
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My reds are longer than your "E-penis"
They get shinier towards the end too. Our green blobs don't have that kind of snazziness
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