Alliances and cheating

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Munkee

Right now ult have got it by the balls.

Highest average roids and no incs landing: http://kia.cthq.net/graph-ally-4.php...res&large=true

Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.

Shit, i thought we had more

[berten]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.

Only 30?

[Buly]

Who else are wanting the win? Faceless tried, dunno about CT and p3ng. p3ng atleast seemed more on ult side at some point and also rather aiming to gather lower tier tag roids.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by berten

Only 30?

Heroes and Astatores makes 30, speculating if they have more would not be nuce

[darkzidane]

don't worry butch3r all 200 players from ult tag had a good lol when you applied to join

[lokken]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

:crymeariver:

That is also well known facta.
Clouds DID get escorted by numerous planets last round wich DID get closed. Everyone knows this except Lokken apparently, and Lokken is acting like a retatd asking for proofs for this as he knows MHs wont give out informastion about planet closure.
That lokken is actualy asking for proofs should be regarded as trolling, and he should be the one banned.

Bring on the scan links or screen grabs. It's the same for everyone to be fair. I actually enjoy your posts when you keep it constructive. Stick to the rules and you'll have no problem with me.

But generally looking at this thread people on all sides need to settle their differences, move on, and play the game. The bitterness in game is too much, in my opinion.For this thread, everyone needs to cool off, and stay on topic.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by lokken

Bring on the scan links or screen grabs. It's the same for everyone to be fair. I actually enjoy your posts when you keep it constructive. Stick to the rules and you'll have no problem with me.

But generally looking at this thread people on all sides need to settle their differences, move on, and play the game. Everyone needs to cool off, and stay on topic.

http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...mpbkv7bmbuqxda this is the JGP showing planets escorting Clouds.

http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...ndi99k5or6ingj this is the scan link showing these planets was closed

[Tiamat101]

Thank you!

[BloodyButcher]

and to just try stroke myself some more, yes, we had the same scan bot script running in FAnG for a few days, but because we knew it was illegale we SHUT IT DOWN.

[BloodyButcher]

I never claimed you ever used one, just that you thought it was legal, against all logic.
Everyone knowing of a cheat script, or taking advantage of other people cheating, and not reporting it, is as bad as the cheaters themself.
When these people are HCs/officers/GCs its even worse, they should be the ones "supporting fair play".

[Influence]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

I never claimed you ever used one, just that you thought it was legal, against all logic.
Everyone knowing of a cheat script, or taking advantage of other people cheating, and not reporting it, is as bad as the cheaters themself.
When these people are HCs/officers/GCs its even worse, they should be the ones "supporting fair play".

I never thought it was legal in the form BF used it (simply read the post Apocco replied to), as it relied on accountsharing from what I was told. The only thing I thought was legal, which appoco rebutted, was using a function in mIRC to automatically open links to execute a scan. The thing I knew to be legal was using a greasemonkey script to parse the contents of a scan back to the bot, a function still used by HR and CT today AFAIK.

So, the only thing you got on me is that I never reported any players or alliances for the use of a scanbot. Quite frankly because I thought that was completely useless anyways, the MH's in this game rarely know cheating even when it hits them right in the face. Let alone they take action on suspected use of a scanbot. As it's almost impossible to proof anyway.

Tbh, if you ask me, either make it completely illegal, and as such prevent it with hard code where possible. Or get your head out your ass and accept that you can't stop it regardless.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Influence

I never thought it was legal in the form BF used it (simply read the post Apocco replied to), as it relied on accountsharing from what I was told. The only thing I thought was legal, which appoco rebutted, was using a function in mIRC to automatically open links to execute a scan. The thing I knew to be legal was using a greasemonkey script to parse the contents of a scan back to the bot, a function still used by HR and CT today AFAIK.

So, the only thing you got on me is that I never reported any players or alliances for the use of a scanbot. Quite frankly because I thought that was completely useless anyways, the MH's in this game rarely know cheating even when it hits them right in the face. Let alone they take action on suspected use of a scanbot. As it's almost impossible to proof anyway.

Tbh, if you ask me, either make it completely illegal, and as such prevent it with hard code where possible. Or get your head out your ass and accept that you can't stop it regardless.

Having a script that opens the links and gives them back to IRC with no human interaction is STILL illegale.
Your now accusing CT/HR for cheating?

[fortran]

Clever people will always manage to bend the system. Don't try to make it harder for the stupid ones.

[Influence]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Having a script that opens the links and gives them back to IRC with no human interaction is STILL illegale.
Your now accusing CT/HR for cheating?

No, I didn't accuse CT/HR of anything, as their script just reads opened scans, and copies the data to their website. It doesn't open them automatically. And as such is legal in itself.

However automatically opening a link that is posted on irc is fairly default behaviour (it requires changing exactly 1 setting with mIRC) so it would be very easy for them to implement, and I doubt they never had scanners with that setting enabled.

[Clouds]

I say it's none of your business pal. If a representative from the Planetarion team and/or Multihunters wanted to discuss this with us, then they would have. We are not at liberty to discuss anything internal in public. What happened or did not happen is our business. You are obviously allowed to form your own opinion because we live in a society of freedom of speech.

Incase you don't understand the simplist of English, basically, ACCESS DENIED.

ChronoX pal, don't rise to this low level troll and come back to ad2460!

[Advantix]

Hi Clouds!

[bcg]

hay Marius

[vuLgAr]

dafuq does being g-lined on irc have to do with being a bot?, i keep seeing it mentioned that this is some sort of living proof that blackflag were all bots...

got news for you kid! <-- this line j0

i have atm 5 people using an irc bouncer it was once something like 12/15, if that IP gets g-lined every single one of them will be, does this mean i've been speaking to bots for years?
would i also be accused of the same thing? it's hardly proof of anything so quit with the garbage.
planets getting closed sure, but i've also seen plenty of legit planets closed over garbage reasons thought up by our oh so competent multihunter!

clouds said he aint even playing anymore so how the hell this is even relevent this round is beyond me :/

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by vuLgAr

dafuq does being g-lined on irc have to do with being a bot?, i keep seeing it mentioned that this is some sort of living proof that blackflag were all bots...

got news for you kid! <-- this line j0

i have atm 5 people using an irc bouncer it was once something like 12/15, if that IP gets g-lined every single one of them will be, does this mean i've been speaking to bots for years?
would i also be accused of the same thing? it's hardly proof of anything so quit with the garbage.
planets getting closed sure, but i've also seen plenty of legit planets closed over garbage reasons thought up by our oh so competent multihunter!

clouds said he aint even playing anymore so how the hell this is even relevent this round is beyond me :/

So 20 odd planets all getting closed at the same time is by a MH mistake.
Thank you for your insightfull ideas and experinced judgement here.

[Demort]

Just make butcher mh maybe his forum spam will stop he has a lot of valid points some not so valid but the general consensus is he's found some bots some players act like bots though as they can't be bothered to play so simple make defence ships and help there friends they known years on pa that's where it gets akward he'll I had real life friends make accounts in past to simple making planets to help my alliance they wouldn't join irc but I could ams them or ring them and they would login and send never underestimate the power of friendship

[Mzyxptlk]

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[Krypton]

I tried to click the dot, but the link isn't working!

[Mzyxptlk]

You have no idea how close you just got to tubgirl.

[Kaiba]

Wow this thread just goes round and round, it still holds no valid point to this round and why is everyone biting to Butchers troll bait, has nothing of the past 2 years on this forums told you that once he has a bee in his bonnet he won't stop.

Best solution is to not respond, let every thread he makes go unanswered, starve him of the attention he craves. You people dissapoint me

[CBA]

MH are not always correct.

I have been closed & re-opened before by Remy. (closed by Ace)

Elviz has been closed copious amounts of times...



Apprime had copious amount of cousins. So did Asc & other alliances.

I really do not understand how an Alliance can get aware with cousins now when there are only 400 active planets..

[lokken]

I don't know whether butcher is right about his claims that X or Y are cheating but his position on cheating generally is the right one in my opinion. If it can result in closure it's not okay.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by lokken

I don't know whether butcher is right about his claims that X or Y are cheating but his position on cheating generally is the right one in my opinion. If it can result in closure it's not okay.

Well you dont need to wonder no more, Larp is the second in the que to admit organizing, or allowed organized cheating within his alliance with using illegale scan scripts.
Case closed. Guilty by confession.

[Kaiba]

Regarding the scan bots, with the game so small now really scans should be made available to all or a 'scanbot' should be added to the list of open source alliance tools.

If we have 10 alliances needing 3 scanners per alliance then that is 'roughly' 7% of the playerbase giving up their round to scan. That seems crazy to me.

And Atilla I didn't say everyone cheated I was just rebuttling Butchers crazy comment

[Krypton]

I didnt twig that scanbots were common or even used until the second round in Rogues. If i had twigged i would have objected/left sooner. Now I am very happy to be back to the basics in p3n!

I do think its a form of cheating and for once i agree with butchers stance - not every alliance does it and I am a firm believer in games being more enjoyable when the rules are adhered to by everybody. Otherwise, what's the point.

It's like people that plant spies in other alliances to leak intel, fleet movements, targets, LTs etc. Granted you can restrict the access but it also restricts your alliance. It's up to the community to take more responsibility for these forms of cheating which take the fun out of it for everyone. I do think that some players take the view that 'others do it to their benefit, so we should to' which is a weak, wrong and toxic stance imo.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Krypton

I didnt twig that scanbots were common or even used until the second round in Rogues. If i had twigged i would have objected/left sooner. Now I am very happy to be back to the basics in p3n!

I do think its a form of cheating and for once i agree with butchers stance - not every alliance does it and I am a firm believer in games being more enjoyable when the rules are adhered to by everybody. Otherwise, what's the point.

It's like people that plant spies in other alliances to leak intel, fleet movements, targets, LTs etc. Granted you can restrict the access but it also restricts your alliance. It's up to the community to take more responsibility for these forms of cheating which take the fun out of it for everyone. I do think that some players take the view that 'others do it to their benefit, so we should to' which is a weak, wrong and toxic stance imo.

'Cheating' with scanbots especially or other things that don't directly affect a certain planet should be weighed in relation to the health of the game. The more healthy and thriving a game the less you will see it as their is plenty of bodies to fill those roles. In PA as it stands the games health is weak, the volume of commitment needed is very high compared to the reward.

I do agree that 'cheating' that directly affects a planet ie. Extra accounts shouldn't be allowed, but in a declining environment what do you expect? It's far too easy to run a second planet on a vpn or even an old mobile phone. Plus the MH are almost non existent in their roles now.

I think the people who run the game would be better off finding a middle ground. Unlock all scans at tick 0 and maybe allowing your main planet to own sub planets, which can be used as a launch point for attacks with better ETA (making cluster ETA relevant) which holds a percentage of your roids. That simple change would give the game more targets, less swarming and more tactical diversity....

[Mzyxptlk]

If my old scan had had 'run <scanurl>' instead of 'echo <scanurl>' in it, it would've been a scan bot too. This shit is really ****ing easy.

I've considered making a PA bot at various points, just for shits and giggles, but it never came to anything.

[Influence]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

If my old scan had had 'run <scanurl>' instead of 'echo <scanurl>' in it, it would've been a scan bot too. This shit is really ****ing easy.

I've considered making a PA bot at various points, just for shits and giggles, but it never came to anything.

And to think you don't even need the mirc script, but just enable the option that mirc opens every link in a certain channel.

[Munkee]

Originally Posted by Influence

And to think you don't even need the mirc script, but just enable the option that mirc opens every link in a certain channel.

Where is this option? I haven't used mirc in like 10 years until yesterday.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Influence

And to think you don't even need the mirc script, but just enable the option that mirc opens every link in a certain channel.

Still need to convert 'AU on 3.5.2 and 2:1:9, please' to a scan URL, though. If not in your IRC client, then somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Munkee

Where is this option? I haven't used mirc in like 10 years until yesterday.

Options -> IRC -> Catcher.

[Influence]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Still need to convert 'AU on 3.5.2 and 2:1:9, please' to a scan URL, though. If not in your IRC client, then somewhere else.

Merlin does that for you in the scan channel . You just need the other people in there to abstain from posting malicious links.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

If not in your IRC client, then somewhere else.