Planetarion Forums - americans please explain how this guy can be your president

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 01:28

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ve/fool_me.htm

for the love of god, how could this unimaginably idiotic moron be the president of the USA???
Thats real. i saw it on fahrenheit 911 a guy that even messes up a simple saying like that.
a six year could say that correctly easily

what kind of a world am Iiving in

oh my god

pablissimo · 31 Jul 2004, 01:37

Was Fahrenheit 911 overrated, slanted trash as I expected? I've not seen it yet, which implies that I never will.

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 01:41

its good i just saw it.
I always thought that bush was an idiot. But i never thought it was so bad. Im really scared after sawing that movie. We have to get rid of this moron.

Boogster · 31 Jul 2004, 01:44

Heh. Here we go,

pablissimo · 31 Jul 2004, 01:48

Let's make Michael Moore president!

Boogster · 31 Jul 2004, 01:50

Yeah! But watch out for his shady dealings with Saudi donut-stalls.

Phang · 31 Jul 2004, 01:53

the film was biased, libellous crap. but a lot of what he said was extremely valid in spite of how he said it. the quote (assuming its the 'fooled' one) is hilarious.

ps http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/team_america/

Harry_Hoo_Haa · 31 Jul 2004, 01:57

Yes, Bush is a moron. I think the whole world + 49.999999999% of americans will agree with that, but in 4 years time, we will probably be saying the same thing about Kerry, who, imho is starting to look like Postman Pat.

pablissimo · 31 Jul 2004, 01:59

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Originally Posted by Phang

the film was biased, libellous crap

Shrek 2 it is, then.

JonnyBGood · 31 Jul 2004, 02:01

I saw it the other night. The most intensely amusing bit was when michael moore exclusively revealed that most congressmen don't actually fully read the bills they pass. I mean no shit, have you seen the size of those things?

In conclusion it needed less facts and more of michael moore being both fat and angry, in that order.

Deepflow · 31 Jul 2004, 02:02

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Originally Posted by pablissimo

Shrek 2 it is, then.

now THERES a great film

Phang · 31 Jul 2004, 02:03

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Originally Posted by pablissimo

Shrek 2 it is, then.

shrek 2 isnt great.

it's worth seeing F9/11, but worth reading one of the 'where he lied' type articles first. i've seen it twice, before and after, and it loses the propaganda feel and becomes more interesting post-reading.

Leshy · 31 Jul 2004, 02:05

Shrek 2 is bloody excellent.

Zar · 31 Jul 2004, 02:10

f 9/11 was designed to be biased against bush, because his intentions are to enlighten the ignorant people. People who already know what bush is like are watching it purely for the entertainment/reassurance value

Unfortunately i dont think it was biased enough.... moore spent far too much time trying to look sincere about things which in reality we know he doesnt really care about - but just to prevent going on the extreme, he included to have a more "neutral" setting.

I would have preferred a constant 2 hour bush and america bashing.

Deepflow · 31 Jul 2004, 02:11

i think this thread should be derailed to become a shrek 2 thread.

yknow, not only is it funny, has great animation, a fab love story. BUT ITS A SOCIAL COMMENTARY TOO!

i mean, how good a film can it possibly be? not much better.

Zar · 31 Jul 2004, 02:13

shrek 2 was

Sandsnake · 31 Jul 2004, 02:47

Shrek 1 was better

Tactitus · 31 Jul 2004, 02:49

Yeah, the first Shrek was great. The second one was OK, but not great.

Harry_Hoo_Haa · 31 Jul 2004, 03:00

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Originally Posted by Sandsnake

Shrek 1 was better

Sounds like teh Bush dynasty

I am Idler · 31 Jul 2004, 03:17

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Originally Posted by Perle

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ve/fool_me.htm

for the love of god, how could this unimaginably idiotic moron be the president of the USA???
Thats real. i saw it on fahrenheit 911 a guy that even messes up a simple saying like that.
a six year could say that correctly easily

what kind of a world am Iiving in

oh my god

Michal Moore is a political satirist however.. he adds to the truth.

also he's lying. not that bush isnt a complete cock

Qdeathstar · 31 Jul 2004, 04:52

Fahrenheit 911 was one pathetic lie after another pathetic lie. Ive seen it, and unfortunatly it was eight dollars better spent on lube for wanking. Really.

So, i guess i will watching " Michael Moore Hates America" twice to make up for it. And anyone spouting about how "right" michael moore's facts are.. i suggest you take a look the up and comming movie before you utter that completely profuse garbage. Really. Its pathetic.

Next on the list.. A couple of wankers start up a site to make fun of the President of the United States.. and the bandwaggon follows. Thats idiotic, in itself. I mean come-on the guy graduated from HARVARD. And whether he got in because of his connections, and whether he was a complete drunk his whole college life, he still had to make the grade, and therefore could not be a stupid as these pathetic wastes of space like to blaber on about.

Next on the list.. So everyone, including Michael Moore claims president bush is an idiot, but then, is a super-evil genious who masterminded and carefully planned propaganda to lead us into war with Iraq wtih weapons of mass distraction. Now come one folks. Which one is it. Please. Surely it cant be both.

Next on the list... President Bush never said we would find Nuclear weapons, but instead clearly said Nucular ones..

And in closing.. President Bush was elected by the United States supreme court (or, more OBJECTIVELY, the america people) because he has strong morals, strong leadership, strong mind, and a strong sence of whats right, and whats wrong. And when somethings wrong, rest assured, President Bush will act swiftly, decisively, and accurately to do what is right for our country and the world with out having to worry about what some wankers in the Old World think about him, his people, or his country.

Dante Hicks · 31 Jul 2004, 07:46

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list.. A couple of wankers start up a site to make fun of the President of the United States.. and the bandwaggon follows. Thats idiotic, in itself. I mean come-on the guy graduated from HARVARD.

MBAs don't count

The very little I've seen F9/11 was full of cheap shots. Not lies as such but just inane criticisms.

Having said that, Moore's criticism that Bush is an idiot (which I personally doubt, and doesn't really matter) is not impossible to reconcile with the propaganda stuff before the war. I think the overall point is that Bush is surrounded by his fathers old guard (and their ilk) who make a lot of the decisions indirectly by supplying the president with information, etc. Since allegedly he isn't the brightest/more energetic fellow this sort of manipulation is easier. I don't buy it, but it's not an untennable position to hold.

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Fahrenheit 911 was one pathetic lie after another pathetic lie. Ive seen it, and unfortunatly it was eight dollars better spent on lube for wanking. Really.

So, i guess i will watching " Michael Moore Hates America" twice to make up for it. And anyone spouting about how "right" michael moore's facts are.. i suggest you take a look the up and comming movie before you utter that completely profuse garbage. Really. Its pathetic.

you are the pathethic liar. Moore is much too clever to present false facts.
He is even offering 10000$ to anyone who can prove that the any fact in his movie is false

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list.. A couple of wankers start up a site to make fun of the President of the United States.. and the bandwaggon follows. Thats idiotic, in itself. I mean come-on the guy graduated from HARVARD. And whether he got in because of his connections, and whether he was a complete drunk his whole college life, he still had to make the grade, and therefore could not be a stupid as these pathetic wastes of space like to blaber on about. .

Bush is a gigantic moron. A man that cannot remember the most simple saying : fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on you.
he was not able to say that.and did you see his answer when he was asked why he is on vacation so much???
he went like: uhhh i am doing some work done, uhh i have sume suggestions uhhhhh youll see uhhhh

comon, this was the guy who wasnt allowed to give tv interviews during the 2000 campaign because they were afraid he would say something stupid!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list.. So everyone, including Michael Moore claims president bush is an idiot, but then, is a super-evil genious who masterminded and carefully planned propaganda to lead us into war with Iraq wtih weapons of mass distraction. Now come one folks. Which one is it. Please. Surely it cant be both.

nobody ever said that bush is a super evil genious loool
his attempts at persuadiing people to attack iraq was totally pathethic.
for 6 months, he kept saying: saddam is a murdere, he has wmd , he has wmd, he isnt cooperating, he has realtions with al qeaeda, the game is over.
trhats not very masterminded is it??? their accusations were ridicilous, as was every speech that was given by Bush.

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list... President Bush never said we would find Nuclear weapons, but instead clearly said Nucular ones..

in the state of the union speech 2003 bush said: saddam had tried to buy uranium from niger . he is actively working to build the nuclear bomb.
condoleeza rice even said that if they waited any longer, a mushroom cloud go off in the USA

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

And in closing.. President Bush was elected by the United States supreme court (or, more OBJECTIVELY, the america people) because he has strong morals, strong leadership, strong mind, and a strong sence of whats right, and whats wrong. And when somethings wrong, rest assured, President Bush will act swiftly, decisively, and accurately to do what is right for our country and the world with out having to worry about what some wankers in the Old World think about him, his people, or his country.

Ok, ill translate these words into their real meaning.
what you mean to say is : I dont give a damn how he became the president. He is the man that has lowered taxes, gave billions to the military and that has a very very conservative politic. He is the president that i always wanted and i dont give a damn if he is a stupid imbecile or not

Phang · 31 Jul 2004, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Perle

A man that cannot remember the most simple saying : fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on you.

i'll be pissing laughter for a week after reading this.

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Phang

i'll be pissing laughter for a week after reading this.

yeah I know he said it just like that : fool me once uhhhh shame on you uhhhhh fool me twice uhhh shame on you i mean you cant fool me twice.

that was funny and scary at the same time. the expression on his face was so confused and idiotic.

a six year old could say a simple saying like that correctly.
fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice shame on me.
english is the third language i learned, and even I knew that saying.
12 simple words and the president of the USA cannot say them correctly.
scary world we are living in.

Insane. Badger · 31 Jul 2004, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Perle

bla bla bla

So your charges of him being stupid basically amount to "he's a poor orator" ?

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Insane. Badger

So your charges of him being stupid basically amount to "he's a poor orator" ?

dude just watch the movie and watch him after he is being asked why he is spending so much time on vacation.
after that you will agree with me that he is stupid

Zar · 31 Jul 2004, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Insane. Badger

So your charges of him being stupid basically amount to "he's a poor orator" ?

omg you're back!

Insane. Badger · 31 Jul 2004, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Perle

dude just watch the movie and watch him after he is being asked why he is spending so much time on vacation.
after that you will agree with me that he is stupid

I'm not wasting perfectly good money to see some fat guy bad mouth the US/Bush. As much as I agree the man isn't the greatest speaker on the planet he isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

Insane. Badger · 31 Jul 2004, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Zar

omg you're back!

omg I am!

Dante Hicks · 31 Jul 2004, 12:33

Ultimately accusations of Bush being stupid seem to be completley missing the point. Besides, they are stupid cheap shots anyway, as I've discussed.

Nodrog · 31 Jul 2004, 13:04

lol guys have any of you ever notoced he looks a bit like a monkey, check out this site on the internet

http://www.bushorchimp.com/

Sandsnake · 31 Jul 2004, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Perle

you are the pathethic liar. Moore is much too clever to present false facts.
He is even offering 10000$ to anyone who can prove that the any fact in his movie is false

Hay guys! he offers money to anyone who can prove him false and that makes it true!

And Moore has a reputation for accepting anything that anyone says that disagrees with him too!

ps. he doesn't consider creative editing to be falsehood...dunno about you but I was raised that half the truth is still deception.

Dead_Meat · 31 Jul 2004, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list... President Bush never said we would find Nuclear weapons, but instead clearly said Nucular ones..

I was enjoying the high quality trolling until I hit on this sentence.

YOU CAN DO BETTER

JonnyBGood · 31 Jul 2004, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Next on the list... President Bush never said we would find Nuclear weapons, but instead clearly said Nucular ones.

What the **** does this mean?

Perle · 31 Jul 2004, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Insane. Badger

I'm not wasting perfectly good money to see some fat guy bad mouth the US/Bush. As much as I agree the man isn't the greatest speaker on the planet he isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

lol who said i spend money to watch that movie????

xtothez · 31 Jul 2004, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Perle

Bush is a gigantic moron. A man that cannot remember the most simple saying : fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on you.

Oh.

You're a troll.

Kurashima · 31 Jul 2004, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Insane. Badger

I'm not wasting perfectly good money to see some fat guy bad mouth the US/Bush. As much as I agree the man isn't the greatest speaker on the planet he isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

Well , you could watch this one for free

http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/politics.htm

Zar · 31 Jul 2004, 17:12

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

What the **** does this mean?

i think hes taking the piss!

people often make fun of how bush finds it almost impossible to pronounce nuclear properly

Nology · 31 Jul 2004, 17:26

How weak Fahrenheit 911 was

Interesting article, I've yet to find something that argues against the points. Fact is Moore won't pay you what he said he would because people have already pointed out the errors and he won't do it. It's biased and meant to bludgeon people with the stupidity of M. Moore.

Kurashima · 31 Jul 2004, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Nology

How weak Fahrenheit 911 was

Interesting article, I've yet to find something that argues against the points. Fact is Moore won't pay you what he said he would because people have already pointed out the errors and he won't do it. It's biased and meant to bludgeon people with the stupidity of M. Moore.

I read the first 6 paragraphs. I acknowledged the writing style and ability of the author. I then saw this.

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Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His latest book, Blood, Class and Empire: The Enduring Anglo-American Relationship, is out in paperback.

And realised the utter futility in attempting to read any further without going into a coma from which i would have emerged saying "George W Bush is a good man, Michael Moore is not allowed to criticise him. He is a traitor and should be executed". The fact Hitchens specialised subject is Anglo American relations, not Arab-American relations really should give people an idea of where his opinions were going to go. Oh, and he has a book out. And people are being advised to buy it. Slanting famous authors to get a book sold? Hed never sink so low.

The article has a horrific slant right from the outset, and it appears based primarily on the fact that MOORE HAS DARED TO AIM THIS ARTICLE AT THE COMMON PEOPLE, AND HAS AT NO POINT ATTEMPTED TO MAKE INTELLECTUALS AND RICH PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WATCHING IT.

Film makers of the future be warned. You are not allowed to criticise rich people. Ever. Dont even think about it. Vanity Fair is watching you.

Event_Horizon · 31 Jul 2004, 20:45

You could take select footage from anybody in the world and make them look like an idiot...

Also, G W graduauted form Harvard Business School with very high grades...

Perle · 1 Aug 2004, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Event_Horizon

You could take select footage from anybody in the world and make them look like an idiot...

Also, G W graduauted form Harvard Business School with very high grades...

lies he certainly did not have very high grades

Qdeathstar · 1 Aug 2004, 03:58

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

Pretty unbiased if you ask me. THis site provides both the deciet, and Michael Moores rebuttle.

Tactitus · 1 Aug 2004, 04:21

Dubya's undergraduate grades from Yale were mediocre but I don't believe his transcript from Harvard Business School has ever been released.

In any event I don't know that a Presidential candidate's college grades are particularly relevant. If they are, then Gore's and Kerry's grades aren't any better.

FWIW, Michael Moore dropped out of the University of Michigan-Flint in his Freshman year.

the_dastardley_chihuahua · 1 Aug 2004, 04:40

i see michael moore as like a tabloid. he goes for style over content but he reaches an audience that traditional academics cant and opens up issues to 'ordinary' people. he's an introduction to a particular issue, where if people are interested they can read up on it from different sources, he isnt a difinitive answer to anything. or something like that.

Dante Hicks · 1 Aug 2004, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Tactitus

FWIW, Michael Moore dropped out of the University of Michigan-Flint in his Freshman year.

Yeah, Moore explicitly mentions this in one of his books (I can't recall which one, possibly Stupid White Men - I'm not sure if the irony was intentional).

Agree that academic qualifications aren't really relevant though. But I might be saying that because my results were just as bad as Bush.