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Unread 5 Mar 2017, 17:04   #501
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I know atleast two people who used scan bots to fulfill scans for #scans. You will know this too cos you are all knowing so you are as guilty as the cheaters....
he will report #scans to the PA Police now...
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I know atleast two people who used scan bots to fulfill scans for #scans. You will know this too cos you are all knowing so you are as guilty as the cheaters....
Wonder why the scans are so slow in #scans then, ive never had my scans instantly delivered.
Guess they figured out this shit with a random timer then?
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he will report #scans to the PA Police now...
Do you even know what type of scan bot we are talking about?
I dont think you actualy do.
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Do you even know what type of scan bot we are talking about?
I dont think you actualy do.
Pretty certain you don't either.
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Do you even know what type of scan bot we are talking about?
I dont think you actualy do.
#scans on irc works exactly the same way as a scanbot. So ye if you used #scans then you are as much of a cheater as everyone that's used one in an alliance. If the person is online and logged in the scan request gets opened automatically and pasted to chan. If the guy don't isn't logged in, this won't happen.

Only thing the "scanbot" autoopen the link and paste it to chan. it's not very hard to "make" just search for IRC http catcher + find some kind of automatic script for win/mac whatever that paste the link. Peronsally when i've been scanning I can't use it whatosever as it opens links at every possible time, so makes the comp unusable.
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Do you even know what type of scan bot we are talking about?
I dont think you actualy do.
You are so dumb it's unreal. I fully know what one is as I openly said a while back that my old ally used one. I also know plenty of alliances have also used them as finding people will to dedicate 7 weeks to be a 24/7 bitch is hard sometimes, especially when stats are good.

The fact that PA is soooo reliant on scans but makes it almost impossible for any competing planet to have them early on enough to make a difference is retarded. I think scanbots are great, one should be open sourced like Merlin was and Appoco should make them legal
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Do you even know what type of scan bot we are talking about?
I dont think you actualy do.
Yes, we used one in Rogues when i was HCing there, and also 3 or 4 odd alliances iv been in have used them
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#scans on irc works exactly the same way as a scanbot. So ye if you used #scans then you are as much of a cheater as everyone that's used one in an alliance. If the person is online and logged in the scan request gets opened automatically and pasted to chan. If the guy don't isn't logged in, this won't happen.

Only thing the "scanbot" autoopen the link and paste it to chan. it's not very hard to "make" just search for IRC http catcher + find some kind of automatic script for win/mac whatever that paste the link. Peronsally when i've been scanning I can't use it whatosever as it opens links at every possible time, so makes the comp unusable.
Wich of the #scans scanners is using a "autoopen script"?
Everytime ive requested scans the last 2-3 rounds the request has taken from 8 minutes to 7 hours to recieve?

Doesnt matter how fcking simple it is to cheat, it doesnt make it more acceptable.
It does not take much to set up a multi/farm or whatever, still its against the rules.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...3&postcount=96
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You are so dumb it's unreal. I fully know what one is as I openly said a while back that my old ally used one. I also know plenty of alliances have also used them as finding people will to dedicate 7 weeks to be a 24/7 bitch is hard sometimes, especially when stats are good.

The fact that PA is soooo reliant on scans but makes it almost impossible for any competing planet to have them early on enough to make a difference is retarded. I think scanbots are great, one should be open sourced like Merlin was and Appoco should make them legal
The discussion isnt wether scanbot is usefull or not, its about wether its illegale or not.
I dont give a flying fck how many of your ex alliances also were built around cheating, apparently most of them by the sound of it.
Untill its actualy allowed to have a autoopen scan script, it should be should be punished as much as everything else that is AGAINST the rules.
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Yes, we used one in Rogues when i was HCing there, and also 3 or 4 odd alliances iv been in have used them
Obviously Rogues was known to be a cheater stronghole, and we have allready been over the Rogues use of scansbots in a earlier thread iirc.
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Obviously Rogues was known to be a cheater stronghole, and we have allready been over the Rogues use of scansbots in a earlier thread iirc.
i wasnt in rogues for long due to differences between myself and Fizz/Blink can you explain who?/how? they cheated (curious) i took 2 or 3 rounds off after rogues
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i wasnt in rogues for long due to differences between myself and Fizz/Blink can you explain who?/how? they cheated (curious) i took 2 or 3 rounds off after rogues
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Go browse the forum, im sure you cant miss it.
that takes effort i thought you could enlighten me
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Wich of the #scans scanners is using a "autoopen script"?
Everytime ive requested scans the last 2-3 rounds the request has taken from 8 minutes to 7 hours to recieve?

Doesnt matter how fcking simple it is to cheat, it doesnt make it more acceptable.
It does not take much to set up a multi/farm or whatever, still its against the rules.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...3&postcount=96
That's something totally different that influence writes. Influence talk about an acutal bot that can sign in from a commmand. Bascially there is no way of controlling if mIRC opens a link automatically or if it gets clicked. For me it wouldn't possible to run anyway, would be quite bothersome having a lecture and scan links popping up every 2 min

If PA-crew wanted to stop it from being possible it would be very easy. Basically the Merlin bot does 95% of the work already, so if pa-crew wanted to change this just rewrite the scan page, now you just ad scan id+coords in the link and if u click it the scan gets done. Some rewrite of this page and it would be a lot harder unless someone rewrote the merlin code.
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That's something totally different that influence writes. Influence talk about an acutal bot that can sign in from a commmand. Bascially there is no way of controlling if mIRC opens a link automatically or if it gets clicked. For me it wouldn't possible to run anyway, would be quite bothersome having a lecture and scan links popping up every 2 min

If PA-crew wanted to stop it from being possible it would be very easy. Basically the Merlin bot does 95% of the work already, so if pa-crew wanted to change this just rewrite the scan page, now you just ad scan id+coords in the link and if u click it the scan gets done. Some rewrite of this page and it would be a lot harder unless someone rewrote the merlin code.
You need to re-read it.
Influence said that only having a "auto login bot" was illegale. appoco followed up with that any script that auto opens links is illegale.

Az mz allready said that a lot of stuff can be made harder when it comes to cheating, but most will sitll be doable.
MHs/PA crew/etc cannot controll/ban all cheaters, its a community problem, and yourself is a prime example why cheating is still so acceptable in diffrent alliances around the universe.
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You need to re-read it.
Influence said that only having a "auto login bot" was illegale. appoco followed up with that any script that auto opens links is illegale.

Az mz allready said that a lot of stuff can be made harder when it comes to cheating, but most will sitll be doable.
MHs/PA crew/etc cannot controll/ban all cheaters, its a community problem, and yourself is a prime example why cheating is still so acceptable in diffrent alliances around the universe.
"We will continue cheating untill they make it harder to cheat"
So the cov op target which you accepted into alliance after being farmed by your members isn't a much worse violation then me not bothering about someone running a script that opens a link?
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So the cov op target which you accepted into alliance after being farmed by your members isn't a much worse violation then me not bothering about someone running a script that opens a link?
As a alliance with open recruitment, we do accept many people that has either been attacked by us or has been attacking us earlier in the round.
I can assure you that prior to accepting him into alliance i had no idea that he was being cov-opped by any of us, or by any other alliance.
If anyone is caught cheating in bows they will be kicked, we have a no tolerance towards people cheating in our alliance.
Its just Bram speculating towards that it was some kinda planned farming, wich i can assure it was not, atleast not from my knowledge
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As long as it's a game of opening URLs, it's pretty much impossible to stop anyone from writing a script or two that does things automatically for him/her (and to whomever else). OFC, some patterns would show up eventually, but add a random variation to login and reply times etc. and it'll be pretty much impossible to tell if it's a script or a person that does the clicking. AND it's about as impossible for any HC to tell if a member is using something like that as it's to PA MH team, you just can't know what a persons computer is doing if you don't have access to it (or the person willingly admits to using something like that, and even then, (s)he could still be lying to show off or something stupid like that).
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That's something totally different that influence writes. Influence talk about an acutal bot that can sign in from a commmand.
Both types are illegal. Both interact with the PA server without requiring user interaction, in ways that are not explicitly allowed by PA Team. That's the definition of a bot.

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Bascially there is no way of controlling if mIRC opens a link automatically or if it gets clicked.
Do you mean 'checking'? Because while that's true (people can build in random delays, for instance), it's not really relevant. If done well, there's no way to tell the difference between a cousin and a "cousin" either, yet we don't allow multiing either.

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If the t20 was investigated every round using a more subjective criteria, imo it would be already something very good. I really don't care if someone uses a cousin to reach t200.

Until we start seeing bots that control many planets easily, I dont think effort should be put in detecting those out of game automatons or making their working harder, as it usually makes our life even more hard.
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folk only try cheating because they generally get away with it... stricter MHs are needed
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If the t20 was investigated every round using a more subjective criteria, imo it would be already something very good. I really don't care if someone uses a cousin to reach t200.

Until we start seeing bots that control many planets easily, I dont think effort should be put in detecting those out of game automatons or making their working harder, as it usually makes our life even more hard.
What criteria?

Beyond account sharing I'm interested to see what viable criteria you can come up with to test them. There is literally nothing outside ips and in-game mails that the MHs have the ability to check. Anything that is blatant is punished, anything done more sneakily cannot be proven.

Rather than making the rules more strict to push people to be more sneaky (and harder to catch) we should relax the rules and embrace certain areas of 'cheating' and make them a game feature. That way it's far easier to regulate.
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What criteria?

Beyond account sharing I'm interested to see what viable criteria you can come up with to test them. There is literally nothing outside ips and in-game mails that the MHs have the ability to check. Anything that is blatant is punished, anything done more sneakily cannot be proven.

Rather than making the rules more strict to push people to be more sneaky (and harder to catch) we should relax the rules and embrace certain areas of 'cheating' and make them a game feature. That way it's far easier to regulate.
The most used criteria by the community: "I think it is cheating."
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Issue is here that butch3r muddies the water when it comes to cheating, he needs to define clearly what he means as he seems to start with what certain people do to get the win, ship/roid farming, when failing to prosecute them due to lack of evidence or mh he rightly targets scan bots but then seems to expand the scan bot to anyone using scripting to help in scanning.

my definition of scan bot is that which was run by a certain alliance some rounds ago where there was a command used by hc on the bot to log in the planet and start scanning, the bot would return the captia image to allow a responce to login. there was no action made by the owner of the planet, though the owner in this case may of been a multi anyway.

I would suggest focusing on the cheaters who cheat for personal gain, where it is easy to define the actions as against the rules and focus on proving and enforcing.

I tire of the war against scripts that butch3r has been on because he is calling some things cheating that have been confirmed by PA Team as within the rules.

Go after those who use bots to login and do actions without registered users action, ship farming and roid farming.
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Issue is here that butch3r muddies the water when it comes to cheating, he needs to define clearly what he means as he seems to start with what certain people do to get the win, ship/roid farming, when failing to prosecute them due to lack of evidence or mh he rightly targets scan bots but then seems to expand the scan bot to anyone using scripting to help in scanning.

my definition of scan bot is that which was run by a certain alliance some rounds ago where there was a command used by hc on the bot to log in the planet and start scanning, the bot would return the captia image to allow a responce to login. there was no action made by the owner of the planet, though the owner in this case may of been a multi anyway.

I would suggest focusing on the cheaters who cheat for personal gain, where it is easy to define the actions as against the rules and focus on proving and enforcing.

I tire of the war against scripts that butch3r has been on because he is calling some things cheating that have been confirmed by PA Team as within the rules.

Go after those who use bots to login and do actions without registered users action, ship farming and roid farming.
We have been through this shit allready.
A script that automaticly does the scan request for you with no human interaction, except loggin in ofc, is against the rules.
I cannot comprehend how people have a hard time understanding this, or accepting it.
It was put dead to rest in earlier threads/rounds when Influence/Black-Flag and people claimed that it wasnt against the rules.

Yes, having someone logging into the scanner account, or the scanner account being a multi would be cheating aswell obviously.
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A few things I would easily punish a planet without much thought:
- crashing pods during the early ticks and soon joining the target's ally.
- some cases of crashes on the same planet which were set as covered in ally soon it appears in red page. I would look into the crashed planets. Planets created just for crashing should be easy to identify and group.
- intentionally dropping security before being cov opped for ships.
- a planet in the early ticks aiming only planets which soon are moved to c200
- escorts which during earlier ticks were roided, cov oped or crashed pods in the planet.

Also, I wouldn't use closure as only punishment, I would adopt temporary bans (5d-10d) according to the level of cheating I judged.

Imo subjective analyses like those would cause some whining, but if people are really complaining, with enough working force they would deal with all the cheating in the game.
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A few things I would easily punish a planet without much thought:
- crashing pods during the early ticks and soon joining the target's ally.
- some cases of crashes on the same planet which were set as covered in ally soon it appears in red page. I would look into the crashed planets. Planets created just for crashing should be easy to identify and group.
- intentionally dropping security before being cov opped for ships.
- a planet in the early ticks aiming only planets which soon are moved to c200
- escorts which during earlier ticks were roided, cov oped or crashed pods in the planet.

Also, I wouldn't use closure as only punishment, I would adopt temporary bans (5d-10d) according to the level of cheating I judged.

Imo subjective analyses like those would cause some whining, but if people are really complaining, with enough working force they would deal with all the cheating in the game.
Agree that all these things should be red flagged
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agree, focus on these. will say though, i cant count the number of times i have been covert opped and upped my defence, a day or two later drop it after catching no one and hit again a tick or two after.
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agree, focus on these. will say though, i cant count the number of times i have been covert opped and upped my defence, a day or two later drop it after catching no one and hit again a tick or two after.
That's why the people analyzing should know how to judge. If your cov oper robbed ONLY that kind of ship which he can use to steal pods to turn his fleet optimum, it will be really odd for sure. Even more in some cases where that kind of ship is clearly not part of your build and only a small amount was created only to be sole at base.

I would also look into the cov opped planet behavior, if he is often online during some part of the day and convenient stayed offline during the same part while was being cov oped it would sure look suspicious.

Finally, imo, previous round relations should be checked. At first we have the nicks and in which alliances were they. One could secretly run a script registering for each planet who were their best buddies along the round. Wouldn't it be awesome to see one's best escort in one round giving pods in the next?

Also, unless someone creates a script to monitor those behaviors, the MH will work based on reports from the players. In the case of cov oping, two situations would call the attention: optimum ships steal(for pods stealing) and optimum (and repetitive) fleet steals.

It will still not be perfect. At least will make cheaters work harder.
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A few things I would easily punish a planet without much thought:
- crashing pods during the early ticks and soon joining the target's ally.
- some cases of crashes on the same planet which were set as covered in ally soon it appears in red page. I would look into the crashed planets. Planets created just for crashing should be easy to identify and group.
- intentionally dropping security before being cov opped for ships.
- a planet in the early ticks aiming only planets which soon are moved to c200
- escorts which during earlier ticks were roided, cov oped or crashed pods in the planet.

Also, I wouldn't use closure as only punishment, I would adopt temporary bans (5d-10d) according to the level of cheating I judged.

Imo subjective analyses like those would cause some whining, but if people are really complaining, with enough working force they would deal with all the cheating in the game.
No sorry this again is all circumstantial.

All these can be explained via innocent reasons as GM stated and tbh if I had dedicated 7 weeks to get t3 then someone who hasn't played a planet in 5 years closed me cos I dropped my alert, or set a call to covered and got let down ingal or because my alliance has an open door recruitment policy for crashers or made friends mid round with a late joiner who I raided in the first few days I would be absolutely livid.

Please please please stop coming up with stupid reasons to punish people and put your efforts into an environment where the game isn't a twat to play (need for dedicated scanners) and is fair across the board. Not some dictatorship where if you put one toe outta line you are BANNED
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Or close the thread each time the topic changes to cheating, coz the game can't beat cheating without being eventually unfair.
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Issue is here that butch3r muddies the water when it comes to cheating, he needs to define clearly what he means as he seems to start with what certain people do to get the win, ship/roid farming, when failing to prosecute them due to lack of evidence or mh he rightly targets scan bots but then seems to expand the scan bot to anyone using scripting to help in scanning.

my definition of scan bot is that which was run by a certain alliance some rounds ago where there was a command used by hc on the bot to log in the planet and start scanning, the bot would return the captia image to allow a responce to login. there was no action made by the owner of the planet, though the owner in this case may of been a multi anyway.
This mIRC script is all it takes to meet the official definition of botting:
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on *$:TEXT:/(https?.\/\/game\.planetarion\.com\/waves\.pl\?id=[1-8]&x=[0-9]+&y=[0-9]+&z=[0-9]+)/S:#scanchan:{
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It looks for people pasting scan URLs and opens them automatically. This causes the scan to be added to the ally DB, where the person who pasted the scan can view it. More advanced features can be added, but this is already illegal.

All you can legally do is display scan URLs. The only actions that may cause a scan to be done is a human opening a scan URL, a human entering coords, ticking checkboxes and pressing buttons in the browser that are all in the normal interface as served by the PA servers. In all scenarios, a human must click a button or open a link. A program, scripted IRC client, IRC bot, Greasemonkey script or robot may not.

I get it, everyone hates Butcher, and he's on a bit of a self-righteous crusade here. Again. But unfortunately he's not wrong.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

I would have thought the scanning cheat & problem pretty easy to fix; now that alliances are ingame why can there not be an option for having the alliance control scans? They can build amps and research the scans as any planet would do, they need to make the choice between their alliance scans having cat or ter characteristics, and the HC gets to decide who has the ability to use the scans. As such it does not fully replace scanners so people can still go scanner if they wish, yet it helps those who cant find anyone to scan and levels the playing field. If you want to make the ability less good then you could have it so that the alliance scanner can be cov opped unless a certain number of security centres are built so that these scanners will never have the most amps in the universe.
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its been a problem for years, having to relegate our most active guys to go scanner and to have more than 4 players scanning in a round when we are already struggling for numbers. a better solution requires development of the game.
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Or you can make alliances capable of building more interesting things like:
- scan tech / amplifiers
- mining tech / construction giving 0.1% to members income
- trade tech / construction reducing in 0.05% what is eaten by the fund
- military tech / construction increasing in 0.4% the number of ally fleets per day
- science tech / construction increasing in 0.5% member's researches
- production tech / construction increasing in 0.5% member's constructions

The scan tech could have all levels, each one making one scan available
The other techs could gradually increase the speed which the constructions are made.
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its been a problem for years, having to relegate our most active guys to go scanner and to have more than 4 players scanning in a round when we are already struggling for numbers. a better solution requires development of the game.
Having amps is part of the game, if you dont need them, dont build them.
Apprime managed to win the round without having a single scanner above 150 amps.
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so that proves that scanbots are not the thing to be focusing on ;p
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so that proves that scanbots are not the thing to be focusing on ;p
Though its the simplest thing to remove for anyone alliance HCs out there, unless like Sandvold they are supporting cheating.
MHs has no tools, or ability to hunt down scanbots efficiently.
Whats wierd is that a apparently, 60+ planet tag all cheated more or less, and nobody had the balls to report it.
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If moru was a bot, he was sucking at it. Hardly ever online if no one called and scans got done a bit randomly, you got one, didn't get another... And apprime members all had plenty of amps to scan for themselves. I wasn't even close to most member amps and I could scan like 85% of uni.
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Having amps is part of the game, if you dont need them, dont build them.
Apprime managed to win the round without having a single scanner above 150 amps.
Why would you need more than 115 amp scanner in tag to win?
There was 4(!) players in the universe that he was unable to scan, 3 of em barely made top 500.
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Why would you need more than 115 amp scanner in tag to win?
There was 4(!) players in the universe that he was unable to scan, 3 of em barely made top 500.
Ofc you dont need a scanner in tag when you can have scan bots outside of tag.
Didnt you get what i was aiming at?
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Moru was in tag, no other accused scanbots close to apprime, try another troll.
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Moru was in tag, no other accused scanbots close to apprime, try another troll.
I dont remeber anyone mentioning any names, but thanks for clarify for us who the culprint behind the scanbot-cheating scandal was then, Moru apparently.
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I dont remeber anyone mentioning any names, but thanks for clarify for us who the culprint behind the scanbot-cheating scandal was then, Moru apparently.
Actually moru was named here about 10 times prior to this post. Please fact check better. And as tobbe says. Why do you need a mega amp scanner when xan isn't good in the stats and 95% of the uni have less than 40 dists pee tick 800
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Ah your right.
Sorry, it was stated moru who was the culprint of the cheating.
Got confused with noxious saying that scans didnt get done automaticly
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If you're going to throw around cheating accusations don't be careless.

Generally I'm not really sure scan bots are much of an issue. Part of the game was designed when people barely had mobile phones, and in the modern era I doubt they make much difference. The cheating that HCs should stand up to are those who basically have lackeys as farms, have friends often in other alliances to hold roids for them, and use pnaps to survive. Two of these are clear examples of cheating that actively damage the integrity of the rankings. Maybe the likes of mz will disagree but I think HCs should act where they see cheating if they give a damn about the game.
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Generally I'm not really sure scan bots are much of an issue. Part of the game was designed when people barely had mobile phones, and in the modern era I doubt they make much difference. The cheating that HCs should stand up to are those who basically have lackeys as farms, have friends often in other alliances to hold roids for them, and use pnaps to survive. Two of these are clear examples of cheating that actively damage the integrity of the rankings. Maybe the likes of mz will disagree but I think HCs should act where they see cheating if they give a damn about the game.
This didnt work when the 1up v exil vsh support planets was in place (r15) when there was a keeping up with the jones mentality the same mentality exists with scanners using scripts that are illegal.

The difference is that there was superior MHs back then compared to today. the best remedy is to have alliance scans ingame in the same manner as the alliance defence fleets.
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This didnt work when the 1up v exil vsh support planets was in place (r15) when there was a keeping up with the jones mentality the same mentality exists with scanners using scripts that are illegal.

The difference is that there was superior MHs back then compared to today. the best remedy is to have alliance scans ingame in the same manner as the alliance defence fleets.
I know that alliance HCs have no desire to do that. I'm saying that they should.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

i made a comment regarding another alliance about cheating before, based on intel provided by clouds and assurances the evidence would be given to me.... that ended in a troll war round for CT and ofc clouds failed to live up to his side of the deal. be careful who you accuse and trust.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

I can say it again: if MoRu was running a script, it was about as usefull as Farmer-Bob thinking straight. I dunno if he was or wasn't, but it defo wasn't worth it if he was. Scans got done even more random than if it was me doing them. AND I named MoRu as he was the "only" scanner in Apprime, which was accused of having a scanbot. "Only" in the sense that we the members that weren't dedicated scanners ended up doing our own scans (and some for those with less amps).
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