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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 19:52   #1
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all in favour of banning quit threads?

i'm just curious
quit threads are nothing but annoying for a lot of people.
in my opinion they're nothing but for attention as a lot of them are from people who aren't actually leaving the community, but just quitting the game.
yes perhaps it's easier to tell the whole world in one thread, but what's the point?

yes a few people are actually leaving the whole irc/forums/game, but if you're quitting, then obviously you've already told the people you care about most, and you aren't coming back to see the replies on a thread (unless it was for attention)

anyways.. thoughts?
(this is for my own curiosity, nothing more)
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:00   #2
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Should we ban quit threads

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Re: Should we ban quit threads

If you dont want to read them: don't. would be quite empty on PD without them..
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idd, u not interested: don't read
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:09   #5
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

It was one of the reasons for making PD really, so if you're gonna ban them may as well revert to suggestions/bugs forums again
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:10   #6
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If you ban all annoying threads, what will be left?

Aryn clearly hasn't thought this through.
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:12   #7
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

there's no room for interesting threads with all the quit threads :P

oh and.. i can't just 'not read' them as it's my job to :P

(tact: banning quit threads wouldn't be banning ALL the annoying threads :P)
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:19   #8
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

As Aryn has said it actually stiffles any other discussions, not to mention having a forum where people come to ask questions about PA and to Discuse aspect of PA made up of mainly Quit threads doesnt exactly look very good.

Its not even as if most quit threads are by anyone of any real importance the community on the whole. If someone well known (for example you Tactitus) quit then its one thing but when someone whos never really posted on these forums does so and who is only really known by his alliance its a waste of space. It could be done quite easierly via his alliance communication channels where it would be much better received.

Oh and SYMM PD was not created for Quit threads, it was created to give the none alliance PA discussions that were appearing on AD a home
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:47   #9
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

The "Non alliance discussions" were mainly quit threads, the people compaigning for the new forum at the time were using them as the base of their arguments.
If you look at this forum, and take away the Quit threads, bug-reports and suggestions, you are left with almost nothing. Suggestions now have a home, so we're left with Quit Threads and Bug-reports (and the odd moan/comedy thread).
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:50   #10
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 20:52   #11
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I managed to quit without a PD thread
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The "Non alliance discussions" were mainly quit threads, the people compaigning for the new forum at the time were using them as the base of their arguments.
If you look at this forum, and take away the Quit threads, bug-reports and suggestions, you are left with almost nothing. Suggestions now have a home, so we're left with Quit Threads and Bug-reports (and the odd moan/comedy thread).
Actually SYMM the number of Quit threads was less than the number of proper None alliance discussions on AD and something that alot of people stated when the idea was being discussed was that a PD forum shouldnt become a place for Quit threads but a place for serious discussion.

And ask yourself WHY PD doesnt have a great deal of threads that arent Quit messages. If you look at suggestions before and after the creation. Before hand the suggestions board was a forum that was vibrant and active (and was getting more posts that AD did, only GD was getting more). The reason for this was the atmosphere was one that allowed ideas to grow and be discussed. Then it was merged into PD and the number of suggestions fell off. Why? the only reason I can see is that there was too many moaning and Quit threads arround that suffocated the suggestion threads. And its the same with normal PA discussions, there was more of these on AD where Quit and whining threads could be dealt with better (ie they were off topic so were removed) allowing PD to threive. Problem was it affected AD and needed its own outlet
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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 21:28   #13
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Quit threads always have, and always will suck, and the sooner they go, the better.

Especially as the people posting them are completely unknown people (no, you're not some PA celebrity just because your alliance knows you), never post on the forums anyway, and hardly ever do actually leave. They only serve as some way for people to get some masturbatory action going over people saying goodbye to them after spamming them the link on IRC, because they wouldn't notice otherwise.

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Unread 27 Oct 2003, 21:32   #14
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I didn't like them on AD, and I don't like them here.
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Actually SYMM the number of Quit threads was less than the number of proper None alliance discussions on AD and something that alot of people stated when the idea was being discussed was that a PD forum shouldnt become a place for Quit threads but a place for serious discussion.

And ask yourself WHY PD doesnt have a great deal of threads that arent Quit messages.
Probably for the same reason(s) that Strategy, Help Desk, and all the other Forums have a lot less traffic than they used to.
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I think you've missed the obvious. The reason there haven't been (m)any suggestions in the past several months is that PA has been under a continual cloud of imminent bankruptcy and dissolution since R8, plus the fact that Spinner never showed the slightest interest in suggestions and consequently everyone but the n00bs stopping posting them. In time, players may again develop some optimism for PA's future and hopefully MrBrick will at least toss out a few crumbs of feedback to keep the new Suggestions Forum going, but if not then it won't have many posts either as soon as the novelty of it's reappearance wears off.

I think you're just kidding yourself if you think banning quit threads is going to lead to better and more serious discussions. I don't read them myself so I can't say they ever influenced my postings--for better or worse.
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

personaly i don't have a problem with them. If i don't know the person or never heard of him i just don't read or respond. People should be able to say the last good byes

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yes a few people are actually leaving the whole irc/forums/game, but if you're quitting, then obviously you've already told the people you care about most, and you aren't coming back to see the replies on a thread (unless it was for attention)[/b]
U may not have told everyone and u do lose touch with people. Good way to say good bye with out forgeting people
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Probably for the same reason(s) that Strategy, Help Desk, and all the other Forums have a lot less traffic than they used to.

I think you've missed the obvious. The reason there haven't been (m)any suggestions in the past several months is that PA has been under a continual cloud of imminent bankruptcy and dissolution since R8, plus the fact that Spinner never showed the slightest interest in suggestions and consequently everyone but the n00bs stopping posting them. In time, players may again develop some optimism for PA's future and hopefully MrBrick will at least toss out a few crumbs of feedback to keep the new Suggestions Forum going, but if not then it won't have many posts either as soon as the novelty of it's reappearance wears off.

I think you're just kidding yourself if you think banning quit threads is going to lead to better and more serious discussions. I don't read them myself so I can't say they ever influenced my postings--for better or worse.
But Tactitus i'm not just talking about recently, almost as soon as the merger happened suggestions started to dry up. You see a complaint thread or a quit thread can get many throw away posts posted on it in a short space of time pushing serious threads that require time, effort and a bit of thought to reply to down list until they drop off the page. now if people dont see the thread on the first page they arent that likly to read it and reply to it thus it stays hidden. Yes with the way PA is now its not going to be a micle cure, it should have been something we banned as soon as the forum started (it was something I requested but was told I couldnt just delete them all ) but its better late than never imho
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Quit-threads are for attention, nothing else.

Imagine a new player coming along, check out Planetarion Discussions, and all he sees is a load of quit-threads.
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People posting quit threads generally list the people they want to thank. Good job we haven't got a PM feature isn't it.

Though I disagree that a ban on quit threads is the right idea, I don't think that a friendly notice asking people to refrain from posting them is out of order. They do give the wrong impression of the game, and their volume seems to be increasing without actually doing anything other than ego++

It might be different if most of them were regular forum users, or were in positions where they've become well-known (as in 'not just by their particular clique'), or whose leaving is of genuine interest to a sizable number. Most aren't.
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we should remove general discussions as most of the idiots that post there dont play planetarion (anymore), so its realy no point in having it there...
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With all the quit threads you could say the same about PD!"

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Re: Should we ban quit threads

Well, I'm as guilty as hell since I posted my own quit thread. As someone who, since r3, has been through quite a lot of alliances whose IRC channels no longer function, I never see them anymore. I was known by quite a lot of people, many of whom posted on my thread.

Not only did it make me feel warm and happy inside , it also let people know that I was quitting. It worked.

Personally, if I see a quit thread from someone I don't recognise, i don't go to it. If I do recognise them, eg. Glimmer's quit thread, I go and post. Easy as that.

PD doesn't have enough threads/day to justify getting rid of quit threads. The whole point of having the PA community is the comrade-ship that existed within in. By banning quit threads, you'd just take away another thing that makes PA what it is.



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Re: Should we ban quit threads

People should have a chance to say goodbye to the people they have worked with for the last 3 years. I know it doesn't look good, but banning them (the posts that is) is hardly the answer, but I'm sure you'll feel much better that you can hide behind this little poll.

If you want to fix PA you'll have to remedy the cause, not make believe the consequenses aren't there.


In any case, censorship rules.

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You see a complaint thread or a quit thread can get many throw away posts posted on it in a short space of time pushing serious threads that require time, effort and a bit of thought to reply to down list until they drop off the page. now if people dont see the thread on the first page they arent that likly to read it and reply to it thus it stays hidden.
Considering the oldest thread on page 1 was last replied to a week ago, it's reasonable to say that currently, quit/complaint threads aren't pushing serious ones off the first page too quickly for people to notice and respond. However, I couldn't care less as I read the threads I want to.
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As if all the other threads on this Forum r freaking deep and important. Why dont ban all of it?

Quit threads are a great way to say goodbye to the people you know and you think deserve a thankyou, without having them making you play again over irc...I dont see the problem with it, not a tall really...

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if my quit thread exists in some archive Aryn dear, I would very much like you to retrieve it for me

(as it had houndreds of replies and stuff)
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I know it doesn't look good, but banning them (the posts that is) is hardly the answer, but I'm sure you'll feel much better that you can hide behind this little poll.


The whole idea of a poll is to get a general overview of what you the community think on a certain subject. We could quite easily have just made a decision without bothering to see what people think, but here we have a place where people can express their feelings on this subject.

Do you think we're just going to look at the poll and if 'yes' is more than 50% we will just start banning quit threads at our own free will? The result of this poll wont decide what happens, the arguments but foward in this thread may well do though.
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The whole idea of a poll is to get a general overview of what you the community think on a certain subject. We could quite easily have just made a decision without bothering to see what people think, but here we have a place where people can express their feelings on this subject.

Do you think we're just going to look at the poll and if 'yes' is more than 50% we will just start banning quit threads at our own free will? The result of this poll wont decide what happens, the arguments but foward in this thread may well do though.
I disagree, you couldn't have simply banned them because of the negative response you would have gotten from it. You simply want to ban them, but need a signed slip of permission before you can do it.

I think if this poll votes yes, we will get someone posting saying 'hi quit threads are now banned cause community voted they should, kthxbye' and every quit thread will be deleted on sight. But go ahead and prove me wrong.
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The whole idea of a poll is to get a general overview of what you the community think on a certain subject. We could quite easily have just made a decision without bothering to see what people think, but here we have a place where people can express their feelings on this subject.

Do you think we're just going to look at the poll and if 'yes' is more than 50% we will just start banning quit threads at our own free will? The result of this poll wont decide what happens, the arguments but foward in this thread may well do though.

who are you and why are you acting like a mod?
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I disagree, you couldn't have simply banned them because of the negative response you would have gotten from it. You simply want to ban them, but need a signed slip of permission before you can do it.

I think if this poll votes yes, we will get someone posting saying 'hi quit threads are now banned cause community voted they should, kthxbye' and every quit thread will be deleted on sight. But go ahead and prove me wrong.
Sadly your wrong there, if we the PD mods decide to ban them we actually have full support to do so by JJ so :P
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Considering the oldest thread on page 1 was last replied to a week ago, it's reasonable to say that currently, quit/complaint threads aren't pushing serious ones off the first page too quickly for people to notice and respond. However, I couldn't care less as I read the threads I want to.

What people like you seem to be fogetting is that PD as it is now isnt really the important factor here. Yes theres a lack of other threads atm but one of the causes of this is the contents of the forum itself. We have had a number of rounds now where these quit and complaint threads have beaten down the average poster of the more inteligent threads so that they dont even bother posting here. Why waste your time posting something useful afterall when you know that the quit threads will take the most prominate places on the forum (and BTW theres a big differnce between a thread in the top 10 places and ones outsdie that, something towards the end of the page is much more likly to be missed than one at the top) and when you know the chances are the few replies your get will be from these bitter people who have supposedly quit the game (ie W) who will go out of there way to attack them and belittle them. Quit messages do have their place in things BUT this is not on PD or AD where it stifles discussion and gives off a poor impression of the game to others.
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Sadly your wrong there, if we the PD mods decide to ban them we actually have full support to do so by JJ so :P
You're a PD mod now? Thats actually quite humorous.

In any case, you could get full support from the queen of england, it still would make people upset if you start to censor stuff. Thats why this poll is here, its to see wether or not you can get away with it with the community.
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

To be honest, what does have a place on PD anymore?

Alliances? - go to AD.
Suggestions? - go to Suggestions.
Strategy? - go to Strategy.

At the moment, the only threads that end up on PD are either complaint threads, threads which have ways to make the game better or quit threads.

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PD doesn't have enough threads/day to justify getting rid of quit threads. The whole point of having the PA community is the comrade-ship that existed within in. By banning quit threads, you'd just take away another thing that makes PA what it is.
There we go.


Yes, quit threads don't make the game look good. However, someone thinking playing about Planetarion for the first time is unlikely to go straight to PD. It's more likely that they'd head to the manual to find out what the game is like and to see if they'd be interested in playing it.

And trying to suggest that people don't have the ability to scroll down is just silleh.
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I You simply want to ban them, but need a signed slip of permission before you can do it.
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Thanks for telling me what i think .

If i wanted to do something i wouldnt need a signed permission slip from anyone other than JJ, so you point is about as pointless as a chocolate fireguard. We are asking you because we are geniunly interested in your views.
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Yes, quit threads don't make the game look good. However, someone thinking playing about Planetarion for the first time is unlikely to go straight to PD. It's more likely that they'd head to the manual to find out what the game is like and to see if they'd be interested in playing it.
Chances are they've already signed up before visiting the forums as you say. But there happens to be a freakin' big Forums link on the Planetarion portal iirc. And when (comedy 'if' option) the passport ever gets done then there's likely to be more people starting accounts then coming here to look for advice, to introduce themselves, to participate. Having five or six quit threads on the main thread listing of PD looks unprofessional, makes the game appear more stagnant than it perhaps is, doesn't give off the impression that PA needs to be giving off if it's to entice new customers.

There's at least 10 quit threads on the main page of PD right now, and that excludes ones by 'high-level' members like mods, and Spinner. Ten. And we're in the middle of a round. If it carries on like this we really would need a new forum for quit threads when R10 ends.
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You're a PD mod now? Thats actually quite humorous.
As JC pointed out I've always been a PD mod but I'm curious as to why you find that fact so funny?


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And trying to suggest that people don't have the ability to scroll down is just silleh.
I didnt suggest people cant scroll down, i just simple stated the fact that the threads at the top of the forum stand out alot more and alot of people do just scan the first few posts see if theres anything that catches their attention before heading off to another forum. Why do you think we sticky threads of importance, because being at the top demands your intrest and ensures people read it where as if it was a little further down the page it would be missed by a fair few people
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it still would make people upset if you start to censor stuff.
*cough* bollocks *cough*

Spam is constantly being edited out, flames are being deleted, the whole reason mods are in place is to provide censorship. I haven't heard anyone complaining about spam threads being deleted, in fact most of the time I see people asking for threads to be closed/deleted before they in fact are (especially on AD).

'I Quit' threads by people who have nothing to do with the forums, or even with a substantial part of the community are nothing more than simple spam cluttering up the forum.
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And more bollocks.

Whenever people come to the forum for anything PA-related, PD is the first (and usually only) forum they end up. Especially when it's about support-related questions, as most people seem to be completely unable or unwilling to see which forums are available and simply post on the first 'Hey, a Planetarion forum' they come across.
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just what i was gonna say.

Talking of 'quit' threads. where are the 'hello i'm new' threads? are there even any?
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

Quit threads are 99% of the time just nobodies wanking/ego-boosting. Who gives a rat's ass if IPC's round 5 attack officer decides to retire? Used to be, the only people who posted quit threads were ones who the game might actually miss. It was nice. You sort of knew if Joe Blow decided to stop maintaining his top 1000 planet and go back to rl, he wouldn't bother thanking all his nobody friends via some big long winded thread.

Then at some point the nobodies decided others cared.

We don't care. Stop posting your quit threads, morons.

Unless your thankyou list is over 50 names long AND contains minimum 50% names recognizable to the community as a whole AND you yourself were an HC/notable strategtist/well-loved bigmouth whose actions either a) directly brought about alliance wars or b) directly brought about structural changes in the game or c) entertained minimum 100 nameable people with your lovable bigmouth ramblings, QUIT POSTING YOUR IRRELEVANT WANK ME, I'M LEAVING THREADS.

That is all.

And no, don't ban the threads. Just shame them into stopping the posting of their goddammed drivel.

And yes, when I quit, I won't be leaving a thread, as by my own criteria I don't qualify for one
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*cough* bollocks *cough*

Spam is constantly being edited out, flames are being deleted, the whole reason mods are in place is to provide censorship. I haven't heard anyone complaining about spam threads being deleted, in fact most of the time I see people asking for threads to be closed/deleted before they in fact are (especially on AD).

'I Quit' threads by people who have nothing to do with the forums, or even with a substantial part of the community are nothing more than simple spam cluttering up the forum.And more bollocks.
There is a big difference between spam/flames and a goobye thread. If there wasn't then we would not be discussing wether or not quit threads should be banned. Quit threads are not disruptive of the forums, unlike spam and flames, and are not against the forum rules. They are usually normal threads made by a normal person for no other means than to simply say 'goodbye'.
The only reason quit threads are up for 'moderation' is because they look bad. Yes, it looks bad that if you go on this board and you see 10 different quitting threads. Well tough, if you want to fix that then fix the game, not pretend the consequenses of a faulty game are not here.
Hell, if you are going to do this, then next step is to ban all negative comments about pa so that everyone that comes here will think this is a happy place where everybody loves eachother. That's what I mean with censorship leshy babe, censoring things because they are negativly towards you, not because they are disruptive of the forums.

People may not be 'important', not everyone gets to be Legion HC or #1 planet. But they worked with people all the same, and all they want is to say goodbye, tell their friends that they are leaving, that they enjoyed the time they spent but that its over now, which is perfectly understandable.

Also, wakey, I was indeed mistaken but your activity must have led me to believe other things. I do remember now you have been a PD mod for longer periods of time. And I can't tell you why its humorous, I promised not too, but I'll say that I promised not too anyway to pretend I am in the know and cool and stuff and also to belittle you.
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Re: Should we ban quit threads

YES. Ban the user as well while you're at it.
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YES, PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY!

I'm so sick of the board being cluttered and filled with all those stinking quit-threads that really don't have anything to do with PA. Make a separate "quit threads-forum" so people who take an interest in reading others' last desperate call for attention before leaving, can do so without it bothering anyone else; do whatever you want to, but GET THEM OFF PD!!
And for those of you who say "if you don't like them, don't read them": They're not always sufficiently marked so people can automatically see it's a quit-thread, especially with all the lame and vague thread-titles people throw around here. In addition to that, the mere fact that they're here is a disturbance, and they don't really have to do with the game itself, do they?
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And for those of you who say "if you don't like them, don't read them": They're not always sufficiently marked so people can automatically see it's a quit-thread, especially with all the lame and vague thread-titles people throw around here. In addition to that, the mere fact that they're here is a disturbance, and they don't really have to do with the game itself, do they?
1) I'd like to think that "Furball waves goodbye" is sufficient for most people.
2) They have everything to do with Planetarion - players who play Planetarion are no longer playing Planetarion. I'd say that counts.

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I didnt suggest people cant scroll down, i just simple stated the fact that the threads at the top of the forum stand out alot more and alot of people do just scan the first few posts see if theres anything that catches their attention before heading off to another forum. Why do you think we sticky threads of importance, because being at the top demands your intrest and ensures people read it where as if it was a little further down the page it would be missed by a fair few people
Personal opinion here - stickies sometimes make threads easier to miss, ones like this one. Personally, I ignore mose sticky threads because they're usually about the latest rules, which I've already read. If you really need a thread to stand out, bold it.

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And more bollocks.

Whenever people come to the forum for anything PA-related, PD is the first (and usually only) forum they end up. Especially when it's about support-related questions, as most people seem to be completely unable or unwilling to see which forums are available and simply post on the first 'Hey, a Planetarion forum' they come across.
You've cut off my quote in the good old Alastair Campbell style, so i'll have to remind you of what I actually said. I said that someone coming to www.planetarion.com for the first time will probably end up in the manual. It's true for most games, whether SS or ******** - if you want to find out about a game, go the the manual. Forums are notoriously useless at providing useful information - that's what Announcements are usually for *cough*.

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Chances are they've already signed up before visiting the forums as you say. But there happens to be a freakin' big Forums link on the Planetarion portal iirc. And when (comedy 'if' option) the passport ever gets done then there's likely to be more people starting accounts then coming here to look for advice, to introduce themselves, to participate. Having five or six quit threads on the main thread listing of PD looks unprofessional, makes the game appear more stagnant than it perhaps is, doesn't give off the impression that PA needs to be giving off if it's to entice new customers.

There's at least 10 quit threads on the main page of PD right now, and that excludes ones by 'high-level' members like mods, and Spinner. Ten. And we're in the middle of a round. If it carries on like this we really would need a new forum for quit threads when R10 ends.
I agree that having quit threads around makes the game look bad, and there are far too many around for the good of the game. It saddens me that there are this many, but it reflects the sorry state of Planetarion. I like Mr Brick as a person and know that he'll do the best job he can, but PA's a mess without any of its original communicating Creators (I've never really seen fudge post).

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lots of stuff about how important you need to be for a quit thread
Hmmmm. In the olden days of 100k+ players, this was true. People like Syn Sid, etc, were major alliance figures. However, the game doesn't have these any more, so by your 'ruling', no-one would post quit threads (or is that the idea?).
ParraCida summed it up perfectly:

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People may not be 'important', not everyone gets to be Legion HC or #1 planet. But they worked with people all the same, and all they want is to say goodbye, tell their friends that they are leaving, that they enjoyed the time they spent but that its over now, which is perfectly understandable.
Deny players the opportunity to do this and the game loses another aspect of what made it special. Personally, I played from r3-r10. I trawled my way through a lot of alliances, meeting loads of people who I all got on with. I hung around in #strategy and talked 'strategy' stuff - with the 3rd highest posts in there after at0mic_c0w and Ultimate Newbie. Does this make me someone totally unimportant to the game?


Well, I've posted a lot. No doubt it'll all be ripped apart by the morning.

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Re: Should we ban quit threads

ignoring those who quit only shows that the people are blind for whats actually happening that planetarion is dying. you can ignore it yet you will find it out somehow anyways.
further as far as i know everyone is allowed to give what kinda opinion they have. and in a game like this opinions matter a lot.
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If there wasn't then we would not be discussing wether or not quit threads should be banned.
Flawed logic. By the same reasoning, Quit threads don't belong here, or they'd be widely accepted and we wouldn't be having this dicussion.
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Quit threads are not disruptive of the forums, unlike spam and flames, and are not against the forum rules.
They can be quite disruptive, as they are topics having nothing to do with Planetarion in the same way spam and flames don't. In addition they break the rule that threads on here are discussions about Planetarion. Note that 'Quit threads' have been given a special permission to stay so far; they are tolerated, not allowed.
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They are usually normal threads made by a normal person for no other means than to simply say 'goodbye'.
And pray tell, where's the discussion value in that? Where's the topic of Planetarion?
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Well tough, if you want to fix that then fix the game, not pretend the consequenses of a faulty game are not here.
You're failing to make the distinction between the game and the forums and their respective 'leaders'.
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Hell, if you are going to do this, then next step is to ban all negative comments about pa
There is nothing wrong with negative comments about PA, because they are about Planetarion, exactly what this forum is for.
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Then let them tell their friends who care, not the masses who don't. If you work for McDonald's for 5 years and then quit, do you reckon they should put up posters in every store, and put you on the international McDonald's website, so you can say goodbye to all the employees you've ever worked with?
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Then let them tell their friends who care, not the masses who don't. If you work for McDonald's for 5 years and then quit, do you reckon they should put up posters in every store, and put you on the international McDonald's website, so you can say goodbye to all the employees you've ever worked with?
It's a pity you're not an "official voice" any more, or that would be a classic quote. Comparing PA, a community-based game, to a face-less international mega-firm, really shows that the PA-way of customer service is still alive, even with those retired
No, in McDonalds, or whatever, I wouldn't expect posters/announcements.
If i were the member of a community group, lets say a Church, or a social-club, then if i were to leave, it would most probably be recognised.

Another comment by a mod earlier that really annoyed me, in reponse to the "If you don't like them don't read them" remark, along the lines of "we have to, we're mods". You don't do the job for your amusement, you (very kindly) do it to keep the place suitable.
As was discussed on GD not so long ago, just because a mod doesn't like a (type of) thread, shouldn't mean closure. If being "forced" to read the threads is such a problem, then you're in the wrong job...
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