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Unread 20 Nov 2017, 17:02   #101
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

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Please update me then.
What i remember:
1. CarDi finds a bug with donating with the gal fund each xx:30
2. Dav the cheater gets information how to use the bug.
3. Cardi and Dav the cheater is closed for bug abusing.
4. Someone loses out on top gal cus either Dav or CarDi was in their gal and got deleted.

Or am i totaly off here? Wernt you even in the gal losing out on #1?
You clearly were there, seeing how you can remember all this.
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Unread 20 Nov 2017, 17:09   #102
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Well i could remember incorrectly.
If you know what happend, and what tags CarDi and Dav was in(wich was my original question) when they got closed for bug abusing, please tell us.
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Enough with the hand-waving already. By now it's pretty clear you don't actually have any hard facts. People ask for names, you can't give any. When you do remember someone cheated in some deep dark past, you don't remember the round, don't remember the alliance, don't remember the gal. You blacken people's reputation on a hunch, and when pressed for evidence, all you come up with is evasions and distractions.

To fight against cheating is laudable, but your little crusade hurts more than it helps.

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Unread 20 Nov 2017, 18:20   #104
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It's pretty clear you don't actually have any hard facts. People ask for names, you can't give any. When you do remember someone cheated in some deep dark past, you don't remember the round, don't remember the alliance, don't remember the gal. You blacken people's reputation on a hunch, and when pressed for evidence, all you come up with is evasions and distractions.

To fight against cheating is laudable, but your little crusade hurts more than it helps.

"At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
You talking to me?
If so im pretty sure you involved urself in the discussion regarding Dav the cheater being closed, claiming he was innocent and a victim of the report system?

Come on man, lets be real here, you would not report your friends if they were cheating and bug abusing, you didnt do it 10-15 years ago in that other game, and you wouldnt today.
You are too afraid to lose your friends than taking a stand against something you publicly seem to be against.

Few would report their friends, and most would defend their public image even though whats being said about them is de facto.
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You talking to me?
If so im pretty sure you involved urself in the discussion regarding Dav the cheater being closed, claiming he was innocent and a victim of the report system?

Come on man, lets be real here, you would not report your friends if they were cheating and bug abusing, you didnt do it 10-15 years ago in that other game, and you wouldnt today.
You are too afraid to lose your friends than taking a stand against something you publicly seem to be against.

Few would report their friends, and most would defend their public image even though whats being said about them is de facto.
What has Dav done again?
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You talking to me?
If so im pretty sure you involved urself in the discussion regarding Dav the cheater being closed, claiming he was innocent and a victim of the report system?

Come on man, lets be real here, you would not report your friends if they were cheating and bug abusing, you didnt do it 10-15 years ago in that other game, and you wouldnt today.
You are too afraid to lose your friends than taking a stand against something you publicly seem to be against.

Few would report their friends, and most would defend their public image even though whats being said about them is de facto.
Yeah, this is pretty much my point. You could not have responded more predictably if you tried. Someone arguing against your witch hunt? They must be cheater scum! Get them! Add some vague accusations for something they were supposed to have done at some point half a life ago, but don't mention when or what that was supposed to have been. Can't forget the allegation that they would (and do!) happily play with cheaters, without names or any facts to back it up. Tiresome.
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Unread 20 Nov 2017, 18:34   #107
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Yeah, this is pretty much my point. You could not have responded more predictably if you tried. Someone arguing against your witch hunt? They must be cheater scum! Get them! Add some vague accusations for something they were supposed to have done at some point half a life ago, but don't mention when or what that was supposed to have been. Can't forget the allegation that they would (and do!) happily play with cheaters, without names or any facts to back it up. Tiresome.
Are you disputing anything of the things i wrote?
We can prolly search the forums, im sure there mustve been sometime in the the dark dark past where we could come up with "evidence" to support what i just wrote.
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Are you disputing anything of the things i wrote?
We can prolly search the forums, im sure there mustve been sometime in the the dark dark past where we could come up with "evidence" to support what i just wrote.
Stop trolling pls, someone ban this guy.
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What has Dav done again?
He used the xx:30 bug to donate himself free resources.
When he got closed and deleted he claimed he had just forgot, or was about to report the bug, thus was innocent of bug abuse.
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Are you disputing anything of the things i wrote?
We can prolly search the forums, im sure there mustve been sometime in the the dark dark past where we could come up with "evidence" to support what i just wrote.
Why would I need to? You've presented no case. If you're accusing me of being a cheater, present the evidence. Otherwise, shut the **** up.
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So it was R58.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=269
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=271

The gal was 1:3(TheoDD gal). Dav and CarDi got deleted due to bug abusing, and was both in 1:3 if i readed the "gossip thread" from that round correctly.

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=332
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He used the xx:30 bug to donate himself free resources.
When he got closed and deleted he claimed he had just forgot, or was about to report the bug, thus was innocent of bug abuse.
The one where he did report it but was closed because he tested it out to see if it worked?
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The one where he did report it but was closed because he tested it out to see if it worked?
Since when do you get closed for reporting bugs?
Im pretty sure the rules says abusing bugs will get you closed.
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Since when do you get closed for reporting bugs?
Im pretty sure the rules says abusing bugs will get you closed.
He was closed because he tried it to see if it worked before reporting it
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He was closed because he tried it to see if it worked before reporting it
Sure, he was innoncent
The time PA crew use to acknowledge a problem with their code is averagely around 2-3 years in my experince. Its not like they usualy pay enough attention searching for bugs to catch this on their own before Dav was able to report it.
When you find a bug, and test it, you go report it there and then, you dont come back after youve been closing claiming that you were about to report it, or forgot to report it, or whatever.
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Sure, he was innoncent
The time PA crew use to acknowledge a problem with their code is averagely around 2-3 years in my experince. Its not like they usualy pay enough attention searching for bugs to catch this on their own before Dav was able to report it.
When you find a bug, and test it, you go report it there and then, you dont come back after youve been closing claiming that you were about to report it, or forgot to report it, or whatever.
Iím not sure how this is relevant to what I just said?
You donít have to write me an essay because you think something else happened
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Iím not sure how this is relevant to what I just said?
You donít have to write me an essay because you think something else happened
Well you can just say he was innocently closed, and everyone else can continue say they are innocently closed.
Im sure it was many innocent persons in Apprime that was closed this round.
ALWAYS when someone get closed, they claim its an multihunter mistake or biased admins, feel free to continue doing this, but the fact that he got closed and deleted is indisputeable. Dont come trying to make it sound like he wasnt.
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Well you can just say he was innocently closed, and everyone else can continue say they are innocently closed.
Im sure it was many innocent persons in Apprime that was closed this round.
ALWAYS when someone get closed, they claim its an multihunter mistake or biased admins, feel free to continue doing this, but the fact that he got closed and deleted is indisputeable. Dont come trying to make it sound like he wasnt.
I havenít, I told you he was closed after he tried the bug and reported it, then asked you if this was what you were referring to. Youíre the one writing walls of text about it
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I havenít, I told you he was closed after he tried the bug and reported it, then asked you if this was what you were referring to. Youíre the one writing walls of text about it
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=105

You didnt tell me anything, i went digging through the forums and links to the thread here.
You are asking for a wall of text, same as Mz and TheoDD, just because your friend got closed
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You didnt tell me anything, i went digging through the forums and links to the thread here.
You are asking for a wall of text, same as Mz and TheoDD, just because your friend got closed
I did, see 5 posts above. Surely even you can do that?
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Didn't u already abuse the declaring system with some solo tag
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Its great how they bother not to "play", but follow closely a preferred build plan and never miss a tick on times of incs, including recalls. Yet they are not on to cover own incs.

Theres a lot of ingal untagged def outside Asta too.

Yeah it is just dedication, just leaving mobile open, it is doable, it is possible, but assuming Ult is 30+ working class also. Its weird how u are hardly ever tied to thing called life.

I just mirrow it down to other alliances. I am not butthurt, I can mostly keep up myself, so I know its doable. I said I wouldn't be suprised if someday there would be closures on your end also. It is a very likely scenario.
Mate get a smartphone- you can play pa on it. I maintain my job and family and play pa. its the future.

Hope that helps. You dont need to hypothesise how many ult are working class and therefore deduce the probability and method of asta or ult being active at certain times of the day.

You are not Columbo. If you were a detective youd be that guy off diagnosis murder- heavily reliant on your dad to work out who did the murder.

Its impossible ult will be closed, because there is no cheating. You not being able to work out how the def gets sent or how the members are so active is not ults fault.

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reducing war bonus for other tags...
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reducing war bonus for other tags...
Please explain what the abuse is?
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Were u the apprime exist, who I declined to join my ranks?
Im not sure. Maybe? If thats the case i think the jokes on you pal
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Please explain what the abuse is?
Zeroes.... yours or apps?
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Zeroes.... yours or apps?
Neither. Can you get to the point?
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Declaring first reduces others bonuses right?

Some solo tag conviently declared on you when you were about to get gangbanged. So I assumed it was yours or some silly app out of tag.
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Declaring first reduces others bonuses right?

Some solo tag conviently declared on you when you were about to get gangbanged. So I assumed it was yours or some silly app out of tag.
Whereís the abuse?

And app is on your side pal
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Like talking to a wall. ����

It's not like I care tbh. Nor anyone else did. You were blocked on afterall.

Also I am happy for u to have 90 active members. ���� good we cleared that one out. ��
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Like talking to a wall. ����

It's not like I care tbh. Nor anyone else did. You were blocked on afterall.

Also I am happy for u to have 90 active members. ���� good we cleared that one out. ��
Why don’t you just say straight out what it is you want to say instead of playing around With this vague bs?
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Guys... CHILL!! It's just a game!

This thread is so full of same sh*t, different day it's getting painful. If you want to discuss r58 cheating please find a timemachine and go back in time 3 years. People cheat and will continue to do so because there is just about 0.01% of getting closed in this game. This is because the MH rely solely on definitive proof, which they can only really get when a cheater ****s up and forgets to turn off the wifi on their phones before logging in for instance (Hi Spammer!).

Unless MH drastically change their modus operandi or start using behavioral analysis on all important user interactions through the newest AI's and machine learning techniques nothing is ever gonna change. Considering the MH's are old farts that are stuck in their ways and the operating costs of the required AI far outway the proceeds of PA it is rather futile to even have a discussion on it.

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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Pretty sure most people in Zeroes have played this game alot longer than you avengers, so I am pretty sure they are more legit than yourself for example.
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And that has anything to do with? I started at year 2000 round 3 or so. I don't know who you are tho. Eksero and Esper I played games with.

So did u receive a great bunch of Zeroes incs after that declaration. Or were your peons just abusing the features?
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Why don’t you just say straight out what it is you want to say instead of playing around With this vague bs?
I falsely assumed that your club of oldschoolers playing defensive role were on stage of retirement. Not beeing able to play proper and so on.

At most other alliances such are tag fillups putting up AF.

But you are stating that they are just playing an active defence role and theres nothing wrong with that. I was clearly mistaken with my assumptions.

When it comes down to conclusion of having 90 active members at your lines.

So to match Ult 1 v 1 + political followers. You need a small block to begin with.

Yet I was flamed strongly trying to match some numbers r 72 and r 73. The very same people are backing u up this round, by purpose or without. Way to go anyhow ��
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And that has anything to do with? I started at year 2000 round 3 or so. I don't know who you are tho. Eksero and Esper I played games with.

So did u receive a great bunch of Zeroes incs after that declaration. Or were your peons just abusing the features?
Who says you have to attack someone after declaring war?
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I falsely assumed that your club of oldschoolers playing defensive role were on stage of retirement. Not beeing able to play proper and so on.

At most other alliances such are tag fillups putting up AF.

But you are stating that they are just playing an active defence role and theres nothing wrong with that. I was clearly mistaken with my assumptions.

When it comes down to conclusion of having 90 active members at your lines.

So to match Ult 1 v 1 + political followers. You need a small block to begin with.

Yet I was flamed strongly trying to match some numbers r 72 and r 73. The very same people are backing u up this round, by purpose or without. Way to go anyhow ��
You were trying to make it out that you were separate alliances, which it was pretty obvious you were not.

As for us having the numbers? When you get blocked as much as we do you need to do something to even the playing field.
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Who says you have to attack someone after declaring war?
don't be silly
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You were trying to make it out that you were separate alliances, which it was pretty obvious you were not.

As for us having the numbers? When you get blocked as much as we do you need to do something to even the playing field.
I dont judge you for your size Sorry if that sounded so.

But I wonder why they judge us for same numbers. I publically stated all over that we were one and same alliance with kittycatz. So I wonder where u got that from.

I just tried to give em (catz) equal chances to play from ranks, instead of just defending kitties. It's far more easier to get joiners on such tag also. Now they exists as independent alliance. So guess your statement isn't even that far off Alltho that was never an intention. Dekker was doing his job too well
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I dont judge you for your size Sorry if that sounded so.

But I wonder why they judge us for same numbers. I publically stated all over that we were one and same alliance with kittycatz. So I wonder where u got that from.

I just tried to give em (catz) equal chances to play from ranks, instead of just defending kitties. It's far more easier to get joiners on such tag also. Now they exists as independent alliance. So guess your statement isn't even that far off Alltho that was never an intention. Dekker was doing his job too well
Maybe not you specifically, but people from kittenz/catz would claim you were separate. Not that it matters anymore though!
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I for one won't be surprised if there will be closures in tags such as Carisan
lol... since I started this, I am going to assume you would know I wouldn't tolerate being in an ally that was cheating unless I was oblivious to it, so on that note, can't speak for this round though, because I stepped sideways, if I am intuitive enough to be able to recognise cheating and did point to the proof of it, I may recognise someone in my own ally cheating ... lol and since I have spent 2 rounds Kittenz (DNF 2nd round) and 1 round Lionz, I will put my hand up to defend Carisan.
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Re: Cheaters always seem to prosper

Just gonna put this out there...

Using a one-man out-of-tag-but-in-another-tag planet to declare war on your tag to reduce the potential benefits of your opposition is not abuse.

Sure, it's not using the feature in the way it's intended, but it isn't exploiting a bug. It's actually a pretty clever way of using the facilities to the best of your ability.

People are pretty quick to say that playing PA in a way that's unexpected or puts somebody else at a disadvantage is 'abuse', but a lot of the time what they really mean is "I wish I'd thought of that".

Playing a game - any game - in a way that was otherwise unintended, to gain an advantage, is not abuse. It's ingenuity. It's being resourceful. Sure, unidimensional gameplay is fairer on everyone, but why should anyone be forced to play without creativity to keep things "fair"?

If something is within the rules of a game, it's a legitimate tactic.
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Just gonna put this out there...

Using a one-man out-of-tag-but-in-another-tag planet to declare war on your tag to reduce the potential benefits of your opposition is not abuse.

Sure, it's not using the feature in the way it's intended, but it isn't exploiting a bug. It's actually a pretty clever way of using the facilities to the best of your ability.

People are pretty quick to say that playing PA in a way that's unexpected or puts somebody else at a disadvantage is 'abuse', but a lot of the time what they really mean is "I wish I'd thought of that".

Playing a game - any game - in a way that was otherwise unintended, to gain an advantage, is not abuse. It's ingenuity. It's being resourceful. Sure, unidimensional gameplay is fairer on everyone, but why should anyone be forced to play without creativity to keep things "fair"?

If something is within the rules of a game, it's a legitimate tactic.
Only a twisted minded PA played would think so, who grew with cheaters in this game.

It is obvious misuse of the feature, from what it was built to be.

Cheaters always seem to prosper
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Ave, when you are so seriously against cheating - what I support by all means- why are you cooperating with a known gang of cheaters the 4th round in a row now?

Wouldn't it be better to be crystal clear here and refuse any cooperation with proofed cheaters rather than just posting about it only?

Are you afraid of something or just chose the easy way of talking only and doing nothing?
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Ave, when you are so seriously against cheating - what I support by all means- why are you cooperating with a known gang of cheaters the 4th round in a row now?

Wouldn't it be better to be crystal clear here and refuse any cooperation with proofed cheaters rather than just posting about it only?

Are you afraid of something or just chose the easy way of talking only and doing nothing?
It is a choice of improving the gaming environment.

It is my political downfall that I keep on repeating.

I am afraid I have influenced Demort down that path also.

But yeah, I try to keep my own ranks clean atleast
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Only a twisted minded PA played would think so, who grew with cheaters in this game.
Question - who is it you allege to have cheated this round, and from that - who do you think I 'grew with' in this game?
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Only a twisted minded PA played would think so, who grew with cheaters in this game.
Anyone who truly wants to win in any game or sport will push the rules as far as they can go, up to and including the laws of nature. From schwalbes in football to breakneck descending speeds in the Tour de France, that's part of what being good at a game is all about, finding an edge on your opponent and using it when they are unwilling to.

Cheating is different, cheating is breaking the rules, acting as if certain rules don't exist, or don't apply to you at all. That's not a matter of degrees, it's a fundamentally different concept. By equating "people doing things I don't like" to "people breaking the rules", you muddy the waters, contribute to the term losing its force, and as a result help make cheating more acceptable.

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It is obvious misuse of the feature, from what it was built to be.
If PA Team believes a feature is being misused, they can change it. They don't even need evidence for that, unlike the MHs, so all the complaints about how the MHs don't do anything unless the evidence has been handed to them by the gods don't apply. Even if they can't figure out a way to prevent it mechanically, they can always add a rule banning the behaviour they dislike. For that rule to be applied, the carved-in-stone evidence I mentioned is required, but at least at that point it's made clear what is and isn't allowed.
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It is a choice of improving the gaming environment.

It is my political downfall that I keep on repeating.

I am afraid I have influenced Demort down that path also.

But yeah, I try to keep my own ranks clean atleast
So teaming up with cheaters is okay for you then i suppose?
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